Maybe next weekend~Update on Sadie's Arrival

[mjharpst]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i'm feeling attacked, i can't post a single thing on here that seems to stay on track or on topic, every single time i post anything at all, it ALWAYS get attacked and leads back to the stupid puppy mill thing. why can't you all just let it go? i just want to be left alone. forget it, i'm done, i'm not talking on YT anymore, you have lost someone who could have been a great friend and a really great source of learning and information.

hope you all are happy, i give up on this website

It is really too bad that you can not keep an open mind. This is an internet forum based on the love of Yorkies! Your feeling attacked but you continue to post these threads knowing these are controversial topics- which is fine but you are going to get opinions and advice! The decision is yours but you some of your remarks have offended many on here and not being open minded has made yourself feel this way. I am sorry you felt like YT was not helpful to you, but it is a great source of information, if you are willing to listen! Best of luck with Sadie!

[mnewco]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Hi, I went back and read the two threads on the place Sadie is from.

I want to urge you again to reconsider. The website and the registry make it clear that this is at the very best a major BYB operation. It is very common for scammers to offer to meet you away from their homes. They say it is for your convenience, or so the dog can meet you on "neutral" territory, but it is really so that you don't see the conditions the dogs are raised in.

As has been stated repeatedly, you are opening yourself up to a world of heartache if it turns out that this puppy is sick. Think about how attached you are to her already, and she doesn't even live with you yet. There is zero chance that you will return her in six months, no matter what her condition is, and the breeder is counting on that.

Against all the red flags on the website and this dog's registration and the fact that you haven't seen the dog's home, you are stacking against it that this man seems very nice. Lots of people can be SUPER nice when they are selling you something. It doesn't mean he is honest.

Please also consider that by buying this puppy, you will almost certainly be perpetuating the cycle of misery of abused dogs forced to breed unhealthy puppies, many of whom will end up euthanized in shelters because unethical breeders don't care about pet overpopulation.

A lot of us have puppy mill dogs - I have one - but most of us did not know what we do now about puppy mills and bad breeding practices. You have this information now. Please use it to make the right choice, both for you and for all dogs, who have no one to speak for them.

By the way, in MO, I don't think you would need to spend $1K to get a well-bred puppy, $700 would probably be enough. A rescue or an older dog is also an excellent option. Please keep in mind how much money you are going to need for vet costs EVEN IF the pup is healthy - several hundred in the first year, easily.

Quicksilver...we all warned her yesterday about all of this and she is determined to get the dog. She said she can't afford a 1000 puppy but she said she has lots of money for vet care. Go figure.

I would say let her learn the hard way but I will have no pity on her when the dog dies or costs her a fortune.

[mnewco]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

what makes you honestly think that just because my dog is not AKC (snob registered) and she's not 1000 or more that she's going to automatically get sick and die??

where the heck did you get that information from, nowhere on earth does it say that you have to have an AKC dog to have a healthy dog.

My goodness people now you're just getting ridiculous, and showing yourselves for who you really are. It's like no matter what if the breeder is not AKC and if the breeder is not up to your ridiculous show quality (uppity snobbish) standards you instantly scream puppy mill, well that's just not even worth talking to you over.

It doesn't matter what registry they come from, they can be puppy mills. I have heard of AKC dogs being in puppy mills so you are wrong about that.

[Gingergirlsmom]

Originally Posted by mnewco

Quicksilver...we all warned her yesterday about all of this and she is determined to get the dog. She said she can't afford a 1000 puppy but she said she has lots of money for vet care. Go figure.

I would say let her learn the hard way but I will have no pity on her when the dog dies or costs her a fortune.

Aww, I can't believe you mean that. I am in agreement about the concerns on the breeder, but I also wish the best to her and the pup no matter what happens. I can't imagine wishing ill on someone.

Many of us have the benefit of hindsight. We got our babies from less than reputable breeders and have paid the price in one way or another. Or have learned first hand how others have paid the price. I like to believe that if I had been given this information after choosing Ginger but before bringing her home that I would have listened, but in all honesty, I can't say that I would have. I was in love with her from the first. (and I thank God for her everyday). Yes, I wish we could convince her, but she's already smitten with this girl and if she brings her home, I would love to know we were still here to help when and if questions arise.

[bchgirl]

It has nothing to do with the puppy itself and everything to do with the enviroment puppy is coming from. Those breeding pairs...are condemned to spend their entire lives in cages and bred over and over and over. I will never ever advise anyone to support this type of breeder.

There is not one single picture of any adult of any breed on that website....it doesn't take rocket science to figure out why.

[LilMissy]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

It has nothing to do with the puppy itself and everything to do with the enviroment puppy is coming from. Those breeding pairs...are condemned to spend their entire lives in cages and bred over and over and over. I will never ever advise anyone to support this type of breeder.

There is not one single picture of any adult of any breed on that website....it doesn't take rocket science to figure out why.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Well the breeder just called and he'd like to wait one more week and see how things go with our puppy before letting her come to us.

If you know the situation, you are probably rejoicing because this will give her more time with her mom and littermates.

I am pretty glad as well, because i know that it is important for her to have all the time with them she can.

So it's looking like my girl will come home to us MAYBE on the 7th of August, rather than this weekend. We'll just have to wait and see.

Marvin just didn't feel comfortable this week and I am more than okay with that, i want her to be a little older as well. Despite all the arguing and upsetting things on the previous threads, i was secretly hoping he'd call and tell us he was waiting another week or two, and that's what happened.

My mind is clear that he's responsible and he's doing what is best for the puppies, if he's not feeling comfortable with them leaving, he keeps them until he knows that they are truly doing fine and ready to go.

So anyways, another week to wait, but it's totally worth the wait, both because i'll wait forever for Sadie and also because she'll get more bonding time with mom.

Thanks for checking in and have a great day.

Rachel, how much does Sadie weight. I think that is a very important question. I wish you could talk the breeder into 2 more weeks. See what you can do. If Sadie is 2lbs or more she will be safe coming to you. I recieve lots of neg and postive comments from people on YT and I also dish out lots of neg and positive comments. Learn from it and move on to your next question. Thats the way we learn. I was thinking that maybe a YTmember in that area can go visit this Breeder for you. This is a great network and everyone here has only YOUR best interest in mind. Please forgive me for being rude in your past thread, I have had a couple of rough weeks. Lissette

[Karrie]

Hi All -

I too have been following these threads of Rachel's. Yorkie Mad said it best - thank you. Rachel did deserve a break.

Can't some of you understand the simplicity of her just wanting a pet??? She asked for help and advice on YT. She also asked the same questions of several other sources as well. She came to her decision several days ago - yet several members continue to question her decision and judgment; and some posts have been down right rude and mean.

I do believe that most members meant well, and do not want another person to have a bad experience. Some have taken this opportunity to speak up about their position regarding BYBers and puppy mills. But some of these posts go way beyond.

She is a young person who has never had a pet inside the home. She's excited about her new puppy - that's it. No more, no less.

Let Rachel have this experience, and lets hope its a good experience. God forbid, if she has a bad experience, I guarantee you that she will be one of the biggest advocates against the cause of that bad experience.

Thank you

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Karrie

Hi All -

I too have been following these threads of Rachel's. Yorkie Mad said it best - thank you. Rachel did deserve a break.

Can't some of you understand the simplicity of her just wanting a pet??? She asked for help and advice on YT. She also asked the same questions of several other sources as well. She came to her decision several days ago - yet several members continue to question her decision and judgment; and some posts have been down right rude and mean.

I do believe that most members meant well, and do not want another person to have a bad experience. Some have taken this opportunity to speak up about their position regarding BYBers and puppy mills. But some of these posts go way beyond.

She is a young person who has never had a pet inside the home. She's excited about her new puppy - that's it. No more, no less.

Let Rachel have this experience, and lets hope its a good experience. God forbid, if she has a bad experience, I guarantee you that she will be one of the biggest advocates against the cause of that bad experience.

Thank you

Thanks for sticking up for me, i'm doing better just ate supper with hubby, going to Target, and Petsmart, and Home Depot, all trips for Sadie poo

see ya soon,
Rachel

[Gingergirlsmom]

Karrie,

Thanks for your post. You obviously care a great deal for her and she's fortunate to have you. It is a tough subject for many and I do believe most of us wish her well and were, as you said yourself, posting on a topic that is near and dear to many of us.

I, for one, hope that she returns after a few days. It's apparent she won't change her mind, and in all honesty, as much as I'd like to see disreputable breeders put out of business, what Rachel does or does not do is not going to make one iota of difference in the big picture. I can't imagine the topic will be let go completely until after her Sophie is home with her. Many hope that their words will be the ones that get through. I truly don't believe anyone means to be attacking her.

I also know, from personal experience, that once she has her baby (whatever she decides) many on yt will be here to share her joys.
I feel like I've been walking a tightrope on this thread in hopes of supporting education about disreputable breeders but, at the same time, not scaring away a new member who is obviously completely in love with the idea of being a yorkie mom and committed to providing excellent care as well. She's heard what we have to say and she's made her choice. No hard feelings on my part, its not in my place to hold anyone's decision against them, perhaps, however, I am experiencing just a little sadness.

In a few days, please remind her of all the positive help and comments she received on other topics. I, for one, hope she returns.

Thanks!

[Sunny Alex]

Please, lets leave this poor woman alone. I am sure she got the message. I would guess that she will be a responsible owner just because she is already looking for advice before she has the dog. A lot of us started years ago with a first Yorkie bought from a pet store. Yes, there were health issues and we dealt with them. We still fell in love with the breed and now know where not to buy our dogs. If we drive her away from this site, she will not get the help she needs when she really needs it.

[QuickSilver]

To me, this is like someone asking for support in their decision to start smoking. It's not a matter of respecting someone else's opinion, it's just a bad idea. I cannot believe that someone would knowingly support this kind of unethical breeder and the suffering other dogs endure to put out cute, cheap puppies, as if they are designer hand bags.

Of course I can understand someone wanting a pet. Isn't that what we all want, pets? That doesn't absolve you from making basic moral choices.

I'm out.

[starr728]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

Karrie,

Thanks for your post. You obviously care a great deal for her and she's fortunate to have you. It is a tough subject for many and I do believe most of us wish her well and were, as you said yourself, posting on a topic that is near and dear to many of us.

I, for one, hope that she returns after a few days. It's apparent she won't change her mind, and in all honesty, as much as I'd like to see disreputable breeders put out of business, what Rachel does or does not do is not going to make one iota of difference in the big picture. I can't imagine the topic will be let go completely until after her Sophie is home with her. Many hope that their words will be the ones that get through. I truly don't believe anyone means to be attacking her.

I also know, from personal experience, that once she has her baby (whatever she decides) many on yt will be here to share her joys.
I feel like I've been walking a tightrope on this thread in hopes of supporting education about disreputable breeders but, at the same time, not scaring away a new member who is obviously completely in love with the idea of being a yorkie mom and committed to providing excellent care as well. She's heard what we have to say and she's made her choice. No hard feelings on my part, its not in my place to hold anyone's decision against them, perhaps, however, I am experiencing just a little sadness.

In a few days, please remind her of all the positive help and comments she received on other topics. I, for one, hope she returns.

Thanks!

I am also new to the threads and have read and followed along but did not say anything...I'm also learning and finding things out that I'm very grateful that all of you have posted. I can understand your thoughts and what has been said and then I understand Rachel's situation with wanting a puppy and she's got her heart set on this sweet lil darling. I know how disappointed and heartbroken I would be if I could'nt get my sweet little Karlee tomorrow. My situation is not like hers so I can't say I understand that part. I'm very grateful the lady that breeds her puppies lives close by to me and I've had a chance to talk to others who have purchased puppies from her in the past and that I have had a chance to go see Karlee and touch base everyday on how she is doing. The lady that I am buying my dog from the first words from her mouth was she would NOT let a puppy come home until it was at least 12 weeks and made sure they were socializing well and eating well and several other things she told me. when I went to go see Karlee she was with her Mommy and Daddy and brother and she seemed like the most precious puppy in the world to me! It breaks my heart if in fact that the person that Rachel buys her puppy from does do what a lot of claims here say and I understand your passion for hoping she will not get the puppy because of that, but like others have stated it will not make a difference at least Rachel will give this puppy a chance and she has researched and learned so much already that she is ready to take on this little puppy. I just think the most important thing is to pray for Rachel's puppy that it will be a happy healthy dog and I look forward to reading more posts and threads once her little Sadie comes home!

I also want to thank all of you for all the posts you've helped me out with and I'm so thankful to have found this site before Karlee comes home tomorrow! I've learned so much and I feel so ready to have Karlee home with us! To everyone here I hope to make friends with all of you and I'm looking forward to more learning and advice!!

[Ladymom]

Rachel, I know you think many of us have been rude and unsupportive, but please know our intentions are good. We have just heard too many stories like yours that did not have a happy ending so we try to protect newbies from possible heartbreak.

We had a little puppy from Missouri at Christmas that touched our hearts here on YT. Perhaps if you read Buster's story you will understand why we are so worried about you.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...k-he-sick.html