It truly seems like the OP could not care less about Emma. She has not once addressed the issue of Emma amidst pleas from YT members on this thread. That in itself makes her look shady and puts her reputation as a breeder in serious question.

Now, I seriously doubt any and everything she has said in this entire thread. Going back to the first few pages of this thread, the seller is validating the OP completely. The seller does not want the dog back. She should not be allowed to have Emma back, because she obviously doesn't give a d**n about her. The seller's credibility is down the tubes as far as I'm concerned. I've seen and heard enough. *disgusted*

I hope Emma finds a home where she is loved and also she'll be the only child. I am so tempted to just take her but I have 3 girls already and I know emma needs a home where she is the only child.

Please don't jump on me for saying this, for I may very well be ignorant and missing some very important detail to this story (and if that's so I'm sorry), but isn't it possible that this ad is for a completely different dog? Emma is a very common name for dogs...and the face in the picture is quite typical of a yorkie. I guess I'm just trying to give seller and buyer benefit of the doubt..

Teiya: since it appears that the seller has washed her hands of the matter, and it looks like you have some contacts, can you try to re-home this dog? The appropriate thing would be for the breeder to take Emma back, but it doesn't look like this is going to happen. Can you find it in your heart to help Emma find her family?

I understand that you will want to sell her to recoup some of your costs. I'm sure people here will be willing to help to make sure she goes to the right home (under a s/n contract, as you mentioned)?

Let me be the first to donate $50.00 to help Emma find a home. Come on everyone... put your money where your mouth is, even if it is only $10.00.

Ann, can someone at YT be responsible for holding the money and helping Emma?

i was thinking the same thing! count me in!

In the event the seller does, in fact, refuse to take Emma back, yes, I will have no choice BUT to rehome her myself, albeit, at a major financial loss since she's not even remotely close to the value in which I paid.

The requirements for Emma's placement will be a single dog home with NO children and I, personally, will have her spayed prior to placement to ensure she is never bred. Emma is not breeding stock. Her body is too long, her nose too long and her haircoat is wirey. Not at all a good specimen to breed. Breeding is done to IMPROVE the breed, not make a profit. A good breeder makes no money. I have a close friend of mine who is a breeder here in Utah. Her beagle's have best in show twice at Westminster.

Hubby was laid off today BUT I can come up with $20 to help. Just let me know where to send it.

Wow, been reading this all day.

Honestly, I hate to sound harsh and rude because I love this place and I don't want anyone to think I'm rude or mean, but, most of us are adults, why are people acting like they are in high school arguing about a boy or a stupid gym shirt?

This dog needs a home. Bottom line, end of story.

If the breeder refuses to take her back, then the buyer should sell her to recoup some of her cost as stated by QuickSilver.

Just let the lessons be learned that you should go see the dog in person before buying and never ever post wrong information if you want to be seen as a respectable breeder.


I have yet to buy my first yorkie since the two I have were given to my fiancé and I, but after reading all this, I'm going to cover myself in every way possible.


Again, all in all. Stop fighting and lets all just help find a new home for this dog and know that Teiya isn't wrong here and she should be helped finding this dog a new home.



I can put in $10 or $20 as soon as I get paid.

This is the response I got from Chelsy when I emailed her concerned for Emma: I hope she does not mind.



Re: Yorkie EmmaThursday, March 26, 2009 11:20 PM
From: "chelboucher@aol.com" <chelboucher@aol.com>Add sender to Contacts
To: *******@*****
Emma is not my dog. I was advertising her for someone who contacted me for help. I do everything I can to find great homes for dogs, but I was COMPLETELY misled in this situation. I merely put what she told me on my website. I was told that her husband surprised her with this dog, and she was larger than she wanted, so she wanted me to sell her. I didn’t know she was aggressive, and there was any problem with this dog, or about any of the false advertising. She gave me the pictured I had posted, and I thought she was a cute little girl. Thankfully, a client that I have worked with in the past informed me of what was going on with this dog, and I immediately took her off my website. I have worked so hard to build my reputation, and I sure hope this situation hasn’t ruined it for me. I work with breeders who have bred yorkies for over 40 years, and I sell their dogs for them. I generally don’t sell for other people besides the few breeders that I know and respect, but I wanted to help and all it has done it hurt me. I would like to stay completely out of this situation. I have nothing to do with this dog other than that I was trying to find her a forever home where she could be comfortable and happy. I hate seeing dogs get tossed around. I hope this situation can be resolved for the sake of the poor dog!:)
Thanks for the e-mail!
Chelsy

-----Original Message-----
From:*****@*****
To: chelboucher@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:40 pm
Subject: Yorkie Emma

I was wondering if you knew what is going on with this thread on YT? Is Emma
your dog?

Thank you for your time


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...e-dog-you.html

I would be willing to help out, IF there is action taken against the breeder......at the very least she should NEVER AGAIN be allowed to sell a dog on YT!

I will help in any and all ways possible, including $.

I've also said I'd hold funds in PayPal as a go-between for Gina and Jasmanea.

Teiya,

I think we can turn all of this negative into a positive. I, personally would hate to see her returned to the seller. It is obviously not in Emma's best interest.

Let's see what we as a group can do to help Emma. We surely can help offset the cost to spay and help reimburse you for some of your expenses.

Let's forget the seller at this point and focus on Emma's future. It looks brighter now than it did 10 minutes ago!

couldn't agree with you more! It would be a nightmare for the dog to go back to that so called breeder. I am all about helping to find her the best home!

This is unbelievable. At first when I read this earlier today I told myself I was not going to post anything in this thread. Then I went to work and all I could think about is Emma. Then when I got off of work I had to get on here and check this thread and another on a lost dog. Hoping for good results to my suprise, I get on here and see more disturbing news. Teiya, I do understand that this is probably hard for you. But how can you come on here and ask us if these pictures are the same dog or not? Meanwhile your friend is posting an ad with those Same pictures? and you even said you truly believe that is NOT the same dog. It just doesnt make sense to me that your friend who is a "good breeder" would post a dog she has never seen with her reputation at sake. The sad part is the ad is a bunch of BS according to you,because you said the description jasmanea listed was false. Would you really want someone to go through what your going through? I see you say that you had no idea but it makes no sense to me. I understand this is your money but can you for one second think about Emma. This is such a shame I do believe you deserve a refund since she wasnt as described, but I do think the shipping should be your lose since you chose to have her shipped. But then that leaves me with one question; why couldnt you get Amanda I believe she was listed as an adult on your friend Chelseys website? I know if my friend was a breeder I'd definitely get one from her over shipping one from someone you dont know. And Jasmenea please do the right thing for Emma and refund the buyer her money back and find a forever home for her. She needs to be in a family with no kids and not other pets. I think both of you are acting childish, its time to do the right thing and step up.
Do whats right for Emma. Please give Emma lots of hugs and kisses from us!

:thumbup:

OH Please how am I contradicting myself. YES SHE HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE SCAMMERS!!!!!! Do not try to turn this around on Chelsey or me!! You guys did this and got an inocent person involed!!! You should both be ashamed!!I hope you learn you lesson and never do this to another dog or person again!!!! She is a beautiful little dog and does not desrve any of this!!!

I agree. But I absolutely 100% WILL NOT send one cent of my hard-earned money to let this horrible "breeder" get off scott-free. People like this make me ill and I will not enable this type of behavior.

Sooooooo, when the details get hammered out please let me know. I am not far from SLC (5hrs) and would be able to help that way as well, if needed.

But again, I do not think that anyone's income should go to enabling this person to keep breeding very low-quality dogs and selling them to make a profit with no responsibility for what she's producing.

If she was hooked up with Gina I wouldn't think she would have been the one to "out" the ad that Chesey placed in post #224 (I think I remembered that # right). She is the one that brought the ad to the attention of the forum.

I also thought it was odd that she is supposed to be from Utah, only joined this month and has only posted since this started and also has a dog named Emma, if you read the posts on her profile page. Very unusual coincidences. But none of it is beneficial to Gina so I don't understand what you are hinting at.

Did you see the question posed by Ann/Wylie's Mom? Are you willing to accept the offer proposed by Gina to put an end to this so Emma can get on with the important business of finding a HOME? Or are you going to continue to prioritize building a portfolio of "damning" evidence to make a case against Gina? Please just give her money back, including one way of shipping. And please find a more appropriate home for Emma and her special needs, including getting a spay contract or spaying her before rehoming..

I think this has been hard for everyone and maybe we did get more involved than normal but it is because we always think of YorkieTalk breeders as being above the uncaring ways we hear and read about. It is disheartening when one of our own refuses to put the needs of one of the dogs she was responsible for bringing into this world ahead of her need to make a case against a customer. Not that we think being on YT makes anyone perfect, but it should mean that we care more than the run of the mill $$greeder. JMHO. I sincerely hope you will make the right decision.

I agree that the money needs to go into ensuring Emma finds a forever home. She has been through enough.

I will donate $50 also.

I wasn't going to post anything on this thread either but nicely said :thumbup::thumbup: You brought up some good points.

Wow. Awesome post.
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I need to clarify some things here before anything else is said....

Chelsey is NOT a broker. She helps breeders place dogs in appropriate homes. She's probably one of the best breeders I know and sells her dogs only after doing vet checks, home checks, etc like any GOOD breeder who cares about about their dogs would. Her puppies all come with a health guarantee and if ANYTHING is wrong medically or circumstantially, she gladly takes the dog back and refunds the money, no questions asked.

PLEASE don't drag Chelsey's name through the mud here. She's a kind, caring person with good quality puppies and was working with me prior to the purchase of Emma but she didn't feel any of the dogs she had available would be a good fit to my home and was HONEST with me about this. She wouldn't dare place a dog in a situation where it wouldn't prosper or she'd have given me what ever and taken my money. But she didn't do that. Instead, she was honest.

She was only trying to help place Emma in a proper situation like she should have been in the first place. She cares about what happens but wasn't truly aware of the entire situation or the disposition of Emma. In the end, she was only intending to refer interested people to me. Where Emma went rested on me, NOT Chelsey. All Chelsey was trying to do was get her out there to get her out of my home and where she needed to be.

Our intentions for whatever happened with Emma was for the person to come meet her first. Something that if I would have gotten to do, I would have known she wasn't a good fit and we wouldn't be here today.

Ya know...it breaks my heart to see Emma tossed around like an old piece of furniture. She is a living being and deserves more respect then that.

After borrowing 3,500 myself for Missy's emergency leg surgery, I can not afford to help financially. I kind of agree with Amanda though. Is donating money really the solution to this problem? I think it's up to Jasmanea to get Emma back and rehome her. I just could not live with myself if I put a dog into this type of situation and didn't fix it. :thumbdown I really hope that she makes the right decision.

I'm going to post it again before she goes and deletes her ad:

My question is how did the seller know that would be deleted so quickly?

Oh dear, I can't tolerate the thought of Emma returning to Jasmanea. I think that is just wrong, since response after response clearly indicates she doesn't really give a hoot about her. I'd rather help Teiya offset some of her expenses and know that whowever gets Emma will be screened by someone who has her best interests at heart.

I am so happy that I am new here. I don't know the seller or the buyer. Therefore I can say honestly how I see things after reading TWENTY pages of this. I believe this post should have been closed awhile back.
Reviews were no longer being given. It eventually came to taking sides as the posts continued.
I may be mistaken but I believe in the beginning the buyer said the seller would give her money back but not shipping. The seller also said she offered to reimburse her. The thread should have stopped right there. Now there is all this mud slinging that starts toward the seller, maybe deserving, maybe not. But if I had a hundred people jumping on me, I would probably start to become angry and back away too. And the main reason I would have been pissed was because all this personnel stuff was allowed to continue, to page 21?
This became more than a review. The more posts that were allowed, the more heated it became. Everyone loves their Yorkies so of course we look at the dog first.
So here we are, 21 pages later and what really was resolved? If we stopped a long time ago, it might have been resolved. I think we were just adding fuel to a already existing fire. It is amazing how things grow, how words are changed. Kinda like playing telephone in the 1st grade. Say a sentence and pass it on. What you hear at the end is not even close to what the real sentence was.
I truly believe in my heart that this thread should be closed. Perhaps if the drama were ended, maybe something could happen. I said maybe. lol
As a Administrator on another board, not dog related, we are well away of how dangerous posts can become if allowed to go too long. Next you have people against people, not healthy for any forum. I hope I don't get banned for expressing my opinion. I'm not bashing buyer or seller. Just hoping you'll all agree that Admin. should now close the thread. And more important, hoping and praying that Emma will finally come to some peace in a loving, forever home.

Peace

I applaud everyone who has offered to help financially or with time. I know that admin said a few weeks ago that YT does not allow donation solicitations because of the possibility of fraud.

I want to do the right thing here while respecting the rules of YT. Assuming this cannot be worked out between the buyer and the seller, is there a way to move this off YT? My first thought is that someone with a website could set up a temporary page with a summary of the situation and someone like Wylie's Mom can handle the funds. Alternatively, if this is okay, maybe a seller could post "Emma shares" for sale and those interested can "buy" via Paypal.

Clearly there are a lot of "if"s here, but want to figure out a way people can help.

Teiya did the same thing! They both put up the SAME EXACT advertisement for this dog. I do not believe for one second that Chelsey put that ad up without Teiya being aware. All THREE of them have done wrong in my eyes.

Just from a legal stand point, I think it's Jasmanea's responsibility to give a refund for Emma.