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Sugar's Mom 03-27-2009 05:23 AM

Please contact yorkieinc.com Not a rescue per se, but a placement service for yorkies.

jasmanea 03-27-2009 05:23 AM

Yes I am beyond furious now after sitting back and having to read about 400 posts of crap and still seeing people siding with the buyer after she posted emma for sale with the same pics and advertising her as a breeder (those of you catching up that have no life-please see pages 17-18). How long should I sit back and keep listening. I have no reputation on YT and will say exactly what I feel on the matter. It is a bunch of B.S and I am amazed how fast people judge based on some heated exchanges without having all the facts. It reminds me of why our growth as human beings in so stagnant and why this world is just going to hell. I usually try to be patient, but hey guess what as of today... I have fallen OFF the bandwagon!!!!!!! I'm sure I will recoup soon and will again realize what a complete waste of time this thread is...but it isn't really fun to hear such people saying such negative crap even though they only know fragments of a situation. I sure hope none of you criticizing judgement people decide to post anything for sale on here. I bet you'll be judged as well. I know I am going to keep all these posts for reference.

jasmanea 03-27-2009 05:28 AM

Oh and dave keep your personal comments about "psycotic..etc.. " to yourself. My father just passed this month and though I might not be in a particular frame of mind that you feel I should be.. I am in no way psycotic.
You are one rude individual and if you continue you can take it up with my husband. I promise he will be much more pleasant than I am. I have kept him out of it as much as possible. Gina why don't you do the same. He again wasn't there to hear all the conversation between us. Though my husband and I both heard you yelling and saying "why can't that jackass do something simple" when you were talking about him getting the wire out. You said "I could have done it a hell of alot faster". I held the phone out by my ear. A little surprised at the time, but NOT anymore!

jasmanea 03-27-2009 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545565)
Oh and dave keep your personal comments about "psycotic..etc.. " to yourself. My father just passed this month and though I might not be in a particular frame of mind that you feel I should be.. I am in no way psycotic.
You are one rude individual and if you continue you can take it up with my husband. I promise he will be much more pleasant than I am. I have kept him out of it as much as possible. Gina why don't you do the same. He again wasn't there to hear all the conversation between us. Though my husband and I both heard you yelling and saying "why can't that jackass do something simple" when you were talking about him getting the wire out. You said "I could have done it a hell of alot faster". I held the phone out by my ear. A little surprised at the time, but NOT anymore!



Of course those statement are irrelevant.. before anyone else decides to comment on it... but then again... SO ARE ALL YOUR OPINIONS on something you have NO FACTS on.:rolleyes:

karlaparis88 03-27-2009 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545519)
My REVIEWS for the Breeder.

1. I do not think you are a responsible breeder (everyone has opinions) which my opinion is very strong

2. I do believe that you do not care for Emma because of Gina's attitude (yes I am sick of her attitude and everyone else that is jaded.. what do you think I am just going to keep sitting back and continue to put "my opinion in") Again you wrote about Gina, why didn't you pin point the fact about Emma?


3. Why haven't you agreed to any other negotiation that has been posted on this thread? (again you don't know what you are talking about. maybe you should read it again) I read and yes you did put a negotiation but so did Gina and you ignored those... why not post a negotiation here on the thread so that WE THE PEOPLE know that you are trying to help Emma despite your uglyness towards Gina

4. YT probably won't harm your reputation for you selling your pups, but you may not be looked the same way ever again. (again your asking me to care what a few people without all the facts think?? Are you serious?) .yes, you have a business breeding... It matters to future buyers. I take much pride in my business, one customer can ruin the opinions of tens of other future buyers

5. It doesn't matter to me whether your mother bought you a new adult yorkie and her pup, I too think that is fishy, you did buy her right after you sold Emma and now you wont work with her? (Personally it is none of your business what I buy, do I criticize your yorkie purchases? Really now... ? and my finances are none of your business and DO NOT bring my mother into this.... ) Well since it was brought up that you aren't going to help Emma any longer I believe this is another reason, you no longer have the funds to help Emma. And you brought your mother into this... not me... I am just mentioning something you orginally typed...

6. Great breeders handle every situation with their pups privately so that it doesnt get to this (bashing threads, negative reviews, etc.) where it can affect their reputation whether it does harm or not.
Well did I start the thread.. NO.... you never saw the back and forth emails or or heard the telephone conversation... why is it your are posting??? I am posting because I CAN... and because i think you are disgusting. You hardly made a good word for your case... most of the time you got on here to bash. Oh goodness, just like I AM!! OMG!!! But at least i'm admitting to it :cool: and you didn't agree to anything so the buyer went public.... I see you couldn't handle the situation. And Gina couldn't either.

This is my review of the breeder. (I see you didn't post about the buyer-thats funny) I have much more to say but are not appropriate. I just think of the few posts that the seller has typed on this thread has given me a bad impression. And I am not taking sides.... Gina now knows her mistake and is now and has to keep maning up to it.... but the seller keeps on bashing. eh.... i have nothing more to say.Than why say anything in the first place

AGAIN, BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO TYPE ANYTHING I WANT ON THE FREE FORUM!! AND THESE ARE MY OPINIONS AND I AM NOT ON EITHER SIDE.... just that you left a BAD BAD impression.

Also you keep posting that ad and saying that Gina misrepresented Emma as well...

Are you admitting to misrepresenting Emma from the get go???

jasmanea 03-27-2009 05:31 AM

Am I venting. Hell yes I am... I have.......

what 400 posts to catch up with??? Good way to get numbers up I suppose and also vent.

jasmanea 03-27-2009 05:32 AM

Please feel free to go back and read pages 17 and 18 before that is lost sight of as well.

jasmanea 03-27-2009 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by karlaparis88 (Post 2545570)
Than why say anything in the first place

AGAIN, BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO TYPE ANYTHING I WANT ON THE FREE FORUM!!

Also you keep posting that ad and saying that Gina misrepresented Emma as well...

Are you admitting to misrepresenting Emma from the get go???[/QUOTE]



UMM NO>..did you see me say that... let me answer.....NO/AND JUST AS MANY KNOW I DID NOT BECAUSE THEY CAN "SEE".

ChantalB 03-27-2009 05:49 AM

In my opinion, as a breeder.

1. Emma should be return to the Seller.

2. The Buyer should paid for shipping cost

3. The buyer should not get a refund for vet bills and original shipping. You got that dog, It was your choice to get it ship.You should assumed part of the lost.

4. The Seller should give a refund to the Buyer for the dog.

5. The Seller should get Emma neuter, and start looking for a forever home for her.

I understand both side anger, but you are going to have to come down, forget about yourself for a minute and focus on that poor Emma.

And the sooner the better.

;)

Lolasmom1211 03-27-2009 05:59 AM

I have totally stayed out of this thread until now.

I just have one simple question - How can anyone that supposedly loves their dogs, knowing that their dog is in a place where it is not wanted and leave it there? Jasmanea - are you going to do anything about this little girl?

tumismom 03-27-2009 06:15 AM

Both the breeder and the op lied that's the bottom line. They both should be ashamed!!!!! I feel so sad for emma.

WalnutHill 03-27-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lolasmom1211 (Post 2545614)
I have totally stayed out of this thread until now.

I just have one simple question - How can anyone that supposedly loves their dogs, knowing that their dog is in a place where it is not wanted and leave it there? Jasmanea - are you going to do anything about this little girl?


My question exactly!

And why, if you have a dog in your house that you are afraid will hurt your children or other dog, would you not be actively looking for at least a temporary home for the animal until the issue is resolved. -Offer her for free to someone just to care for for a while - she needs to be in a loving home. I know the money is a point of contention, but that's NOT EMMA'S FAULT!!!!

Both sides of this have a LOT to answer for. Sort it out later! This "she-said, she-said" is getting out of hand. No one is talking about a resoultion that benefits Emma.

:mad: QUIT THE BASHING AND BICKERING - DO WHAT'S RIGHT!!!

FIND SOMEONE TO LOVE EMMA!

dogbert 03-27-2009 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by drabinowitz43 (Post 2544769)
I've just come across this thread and it poses several interesting issues. First, I am no expert except to the extent that I spend the greater part of my life lately staring at Yorkie pictures on here and, to me, that doesn't even come close to looking like the same dog. But whether it is or isn't, I just want the OP to know that bringing a lawsuit for fraud may feel morally right to you, but it will be a huge headache trying to bring someone from across the country into small claims court. I feel for you so much. Purchasing a pup on the internet is risky, but sometimes we don't have a lot of options. If you live near me, I have not found one Yorkie breeder anywhere near me. Pet stores are not an option. Even if you do get to meet the pup before you purchase, there is still so much risk involved. My breeder boasts on her website that she promises you will get a healthy, well socialized puppy. I spent almost $1,200 to get a pup with a liver shunt who, since being diagnosed last month, has already cost me between $4,000 and $5,0000 dollars in medical expenses and that's just the beginning. My breeder didn't give me a dime or an ounce of emotional support. Can I sue her for fraud? I doubt it. I don't want to hijack this very upsetting thread. Just want to tell you that I feel for you and understand how you feel betrayed by someone in this community. The upside to my situation is that I do have a wonderful dog that I love dearly and who fits in with my family. I just hope you don't get into a protracted legal mess that will cost a lot more than Emma. If the breeder ignores you and there is no hope for training, then maybe you should concentrate on finding her the best possible home. You will be out the money, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing you did the best thing for Emma and probably got her out of a situation where she wasn't wanted anyway. A breeder who cares about her Yorkie would never respond like this.

If you were sold a pup with a liver shunt you should have returned it to the breeder for your money back or pick of the next litter. If you kept the pup then you paid the vet bills. I had this happen to me once and those were my options.

weeloves06 03-27-2009 06:34 AM

I can understand your disappointment in what you received. I think this dog needs somebody to work with her to get her under control, she is the pack leader. It is not the dogs fault, and I am not blaming you. If I was the person that sold you a pup you were not happy with, by all means i would take it back and refund the money, however, only after I re-cooped the funds. I took one back because the family was having problems, but did not refund all the money until she was sold again, that was agreed upon with the buyer. Good luck, it is hard to deal with a strong pack leader dog. I have one, she is 3 lbs also, but a tough girl, she is now understanding I am the boss, lol.

morrislaz 03-27-2009 06:35 AM

sorry, but that does not look like the same dog. As far as the temperament I would give that some time with the change in home, people, etc.

dogbert 03-27-2009 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WalnutHill (Post 2545647)
My question exactly!

And why, if you have a dog in your house that you are afraid will hurt your children or other dog, would you not be actively looking for at least a temporary home for the animal until the issue is resolved. -Offer her for free to someone just to care for for a while - she needs to be in a loving home. I know the money is a point of contention, but that's NOT EMMA'S FAULT!!!!

Both sides of this have a LOT to answer for. Sort it out later! This "she-said, she-said" is getting out of hand. No one is talking about a resoultion that benefits Emma.

:mad: QUIT THE BASHING AND BICKERING - DO WHAT'S RIGHT!!!

FIND SOMEONE TO LOVE EMMA!

What kind of temp home should she look for? I would be afraid of the dog biting someone and getting sued. We live in a lawsuit happy society and even if warned ahead of time if it happened you could still get sued.

Teiya 03-27-2009 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545565)
Oh and dave keep your personal comments about "psycotic..etc.. " to yourself. My father just passed this month and though I might not be in a particular frame of mind that you feel I should be.. I am in no way psycotic.
You are one rude individual and if you continue you can take it up with my husband. I promise he will be much more pleasant than I am. I have kept him out of it as much as possible. Gina why don't you do the same. He again wasn't there to hear all the conversation between us. Though my husband and I both heard you yelling and saying "why can't that jackass do something simple" when you were talking about him getting the wire out. You said "I could have done it a hell of alot faster". I held the phone out by my ear. A little surprised at the time, but NOT anymore!


You are so full of it and I'm not going to waste any more of my time even addressing this BS Christina.

You lied to me. Plain and simple. YOU LIED. You sent me pictures of Emma SWEARING that was her. My vet didn't even think it was the same dog. No one does. But whatever. You told me she was 5 lbs. NOT 6.12. YOu told me she gets along well with all other dogs she's ever been around. Never said anything about her being food aggressive. You said she was good with kids. Never mentioned that it's unless they have food in their hands.

Whatever! Seriously!

Are you going to take this dog back or not? Wylie's mom was willing to be a liason between us. If you had so many other people interested in her, then why not take her back and sell her to them?

WalnutHill 03-27-2009 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogbert (Post 2545662)
What kind of temp home should she look for? I would be afraid of the dog biting someone and getting sued. We live in a lawsuit happy society and even if warned ahead of time if it happened you could still get sued.


Well, someone honest and kind and loving.

I don't have any friends that would sue me, no matter what the situation.

karlaparis88 03-27-2009 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545576)
UMM NO>..did you see me say that... let me answer.....NO/AND JUST AS MANY KNOW I DID NOT BECAUSE THEY CAN "SEE".



Well, I just got my question of my mind answered today. And this is what it looks like to me and the vibe that I am getting...

If you don't care for the pups you breed.

....I may be wrong, but this is my impression.

Yes you may have tried to work with her. But why are you stopping? Her attitude may be awful but that is still a pup that you bred, you watched or at least helped be brought into this world.

Yes it's still Gina's responsibility, but poor Emma is stuck in a situation because you two can't get over your differences. Someone, anyone, please help Emma.

I've realized the breeder isn't going to...I'm hoping she makes SOME additional effort.

This is my last post on this matter.

I'm going to be the first to apologize to you Christin, because you'll have to lie in the bed you've made for yourself.

I also apologize to YT, I just am soooo angry, I've been following this thread and the more she doesn't respond to what should or what could be done for Emma irritates me.

If you refunded her, let us know, so that this can be let go and we can see Emma have a happier ending.

Britster 03-27-2009 06:44 AM

LOL, I had to pipe in on this thread as I've been reading it as it went along out of pure curiosity.

I think it was really dumb to trust someone to send you the dog you are expecting after sending a MONEY ORDER with NO proof that you even gave this woman (the seller) money. But, I have made that mistake before with concert tickets, and I still am hitting myself every day. Dumb move. Never money gram cash to a person, no matter how much you trust them.

And personally, I find the seller to be annoying and immature. Stop pulling the "boo hoo" for me card. It doesn't matter what has happened in your life recently - it doesn't give you an excuse to do what you do. *shrug* I hate to sound impersonal, but I've gone through a lot of CRAP in my life in the last 2 years (including losing a 6 year old brother three years ago) but it doesn't give me an excuse to rip someone off, act like a fool, or be a loser.

That's my thoughts. And I'm out.

Teiya 03-27-2009 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tumismom (Post 2545627)
Both the breeder and the op lied that's the bottom line. They both should be ashamed!!!!! I feel so sad for emma.

I didn't lie. I just don't want this dog in my house anymore. It's too much of a risk for me. That doesn't make me a bad person. I begged the seller publically and privately to take this dog back. Since she won't, I'd have to sell her myself to attempt to recoup some of my losses. Only I'd find her a home locally where people can actually come meet Emma.

The only way I'm putting this dog on a plane is if it's going back to Jasmanea. If she'd have been honest, the dog never would have come here to begin with.

Britster 03-27-2009 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teiya (Post 2545679)
I didn't lie. I just don't want this dog in my house anymore. It's too much of a risk for me. That doesn't make me a bad person. I begged the seller publically and privately to take this dog back. Since she won't, I'd have to sell her myself to attempt to recoup some of my losses. Only I'd find her a home locally where people can actually come meet Emma.

The only way I'm putting this dog on a plane is if it's going back to Jasmanea. If she'd have been honest, the dog never would have come here to begin with.

Yep.

And honestly, at this point - I wouldn't want the dog to go back to Jasmanea. You can probably find her a much better home.

Baxters Mommy 03-27-2009 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545546)
Oh and you think I trust myself with picking a good owner??? Look what one I chose. I was PROMISED.... she would have a forever home with her. I was told she knew behavioral therapy and that she could train her and that her dog was submissive so it was "ok if Emma was in charge" if that happened. I was assured, guarenteed,,, I turned down 2 different breeders because Gina promised me she would be the perfect home and that she would get her spayed. I don't feel I have a right to tell someone else not to breed a dog. Pot-Kettle, but I did chose the home that was supposed to be her forever and that was going to get her spayed. I did not know she was going to have her posted on Chelseys website as a "breeder dog that is about to go into heat soon. I never even told her when her heat was, as I didn't think it pertinant if she were to be spayed. I'm just tired of being persecuted and still don't know why people refer to a "reputation as a breeder" again see all my 900 something posts and tell me how many are lobbying puppies! (not directed at you chi)

Emma obviously was not the right fit for Teiya's home. And it APPEARS from the e-mails you posted from Teiya that she was willing to give it some time. Well, time's up, and Teiya still doesn't feel that Emma is right for her home. How can you NOT want Emma back? How do you KNOW that Teiya is giving Emma all the love she should be given? (Not insinuating Teiya isn't, just trying to make a point.) Do you care about Emma? Personally, and I'm not a breeder or an expert, but I would want my dog back to try and find a better suited home for her. Maybe the other interested buyers would still be interested? Who cares what Teiya posted or blah blah blah. Bottom line is that Teiya does not want Emma, and that SHOULD be enough for YOU to want EMMA back. This is not about y'all's argument anymore and who is right and who is wrong. It is about this poor, HELPLESS dog stuck in the middle. I just want Emma to have a caring, loving home that would best fit her personality just like every other YT member that has posted.

Britster 03-27-2009 06:49 AM

What's "funny" about this whole situation is how EASILY it could have been resolved.

Teiya gets the dog... it's not what she wanted/expected. Teiya contacts the seller and lets her know. Seller says "OK, you will be refunded your money for the dog - just ship her back to me." Refund money, ship dog back. End case.

Baxters Mommy 03-27-2009 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2545686)
What's "funny" about this whole situation is how EASILY it could have been resolved.

Teiya gets the dog... it's not what she wanted/expected. Teiya contacts the seller and lets her know. Seller says "OK, you will be refunded your money for the dog - just ship her back to me." Refund money, ship dog back. End case.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thum bup::thumbup:

I know, it just blows my mind.

tumismom 03-27-2009 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teiya (Post 2545679)
I didn't lie. I just don't want this dog in my house anymore. It's too much of a risk for me. That doesn't make me a bad person. I begged the seller publically and privately to take this dog back. Since she won't, I'd have to sell her myself to attempt to recoup some of my losses. Only I'd find her a home locally where people can actually come meet Emma.

The only way I'm putting this dog on a plane is if it's going back to Jasmanea. If she'd have been honest, the dog never would have come here to begin with.

according to the sale ad that chelsey posted, you discribed her as a great breeding dog with good temperment???? How she is coming into her heat? I am confused.

WalnutHill 03-27-2009 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2545686)
What's "funny" about this whole situation is how EASILY it could have been resolved.

Teiya gets the dog... it's not what she wanted/expected. Teiya contacts the seller and lets her know. Seller says "OK, you will be refunded your money for the dog - just ship her back to me." Refund money, ship dog back. End case.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

It can still be resolved like that if both sides would stop dealing with semantics.

DanicaBraggs 03-27-2009 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mom2Lulu (Post 2545071)
Let me be the first to donate $50.00 to help Emma find a home. Come on everyone... put your money where your mouth is, even if it is only $10.00.

Ann, can someone at YT be responsible for holding the money and helping Emma?

I will donate $50,just tell me where to send it but I want her rehomed to someone who will not use her to just have puppies.You know what I bet I could make some calls and get more money donated my Mom and sister-in-law are big animal lovers and I have been sharing with them this story.come on YT members let's find her a good home and donate for her well being.

Teiya 03-27-2009 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2545675)
LOL, I had to pipe in on this thread as I've been reading it as it went along out of pure curiosity.

I think it was really dumb to trust someone to send you the dog you are expecting after sending a MONEY ORDER with NO proof that you even gave this woman (the seller) money. But, I have made that mistake before with concert tickets, and I still am hitting myself every day. Dumb move. Never money gram cash to a person, no matter how much you trust them.

And personally, I find the seller to be annoying and immature. Stop pulling the "boo hoo" for me card. It doesn't matter what has happened in your life recently - it doesn't give you an excuse to do what you do. *shrug* I hate to sound impersonal, but I've gone through a lot of CRAP in my life in the last 2 years (including losing a 6 year old brother three years ago) but it doesn't give me an excuse to rip someone off, act like a fool, or be a loser.

That's my thoughts. And I'm out.

It wasn't a money order. I wanted to pay with Paypal but she refused and insisted on a wire transfer. At least with the wire transfer, I have a case. It's a federal crime to use a wire transfer in connection with fraud.

The president of the avian society that I work with is a lawyer. I'm sure he'll help me with all the paperwork and filing the appropriate documents regarding this situation. so it won't cost me anything out of my pocket.

MaddieBoo 03-27-2009 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teiya (Post 2545679)
I didn't lie. I just don't want this dog in my house anymore. It's too much of a risk for me. That doesn't make me a bad person. I begged the seller publically and privately to take this dog back. Since she won't, I'd have to sell her myself to attempt to recoup some of my losses. Only I'd find her a home locally where people can actually come meet Emma.

The only way I'm putting this dog on a plane is if it's going back to Jasmanea. If she'd have been honest, the dog never would have come here to begin with.

It would appear you did lie when you put the ad up with Chelsy. You said:
-She was your friend
-That you got Emma as a present
-That she was a "good breeder" and "coming into her first heat"?????

And the picture that was on the ad was the one you claimed to have been scammed with!

As soon as you had that ad placed, you took about 20 steps back in making yourself sound credible.


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