Originally Posted by rentfrog (Post 2545465)

I initially thought I would just read this thread like most others on yt. I tend to be a thread killer, or not get much response so tend to "sit quietly in the back of the class and observe".
People on yt seem to be very concerned for all yorkies and tend to jump on the bandwagon to defend them. That is a great thing, but can also set people up for these types of situations.
Let's take a moment to truly look at this thread in a broken down form
1) OP questions whether the two dogs look the same
2) OP states that she feels she was duped and seller is not taking responsibility
3)Seller comes on to slam OP for supposedly not taking care of the pup and threatening legal recourse for slander.
4)OP comes on to say that is all lies
5) OP husband comes on to say he will sue if seller does not take responsibility
6) outsider comes on to say pup is posted in ads on other sites under same information original seller used to sell this dog
7) Seller IMMEDIATELY comes on to slam op again (therefore she must be watching very closely even though she states she is moving on)
8) OP comes back on to say that those ads were all an accident and she wants what is best for the dog.
9) YT members start to offer money for the well being of said pup
10) OP starts to actively plan a resolution to the outcome of pup.

Several things of note here,

1) OP was offered at least a partial refund in writing.
2) OP is responsible for due diligence in any purchase, therefore she is responsible for the pup once it comes into her home.
3) Seller NEVER at any point showed concern for the well being of pup
4)OP has not explained why her "friend" says she does not know her or why the other ad was posted.
5) Seller is no longer posting on this thread

Now I am not stating anything by pointing out these facts. Just wanting to rationally break it down so emotions are not all that is playing into others reactions.

Who knows, I am known for killing threads, maybe the norm will happen.

Originally Posted by TLC (Post 2545712)

This has gotten so unbelievable....

That poor dog...And I think she is a beauty. I also feel that what is most important at this time is that she gets spayed.

Check out Friends of Animals
Friends of Animals | Spay and Neuter Certificate Information

This entire thread shows the true character of this Breeder, NOT ONLY as a Breeder but her Values as a Person as well :thumbdown

At this point, the only side I am on is for that UN-SPAYED Female - My God - Her FATE is tearing me up inside :( :( :(

Originally Posted by MaddieBoo (Post 2545708)

It would appear you did lie when you put the ad up with Chelsy. You said:
-She was your friend
-That you got Emma as a present
-That she was a "good breeder" and "coming into her first heat"?????

And the picture that was on the ad was the one you claimed to have been scammed with!

As soon as you had that ad placed, you took about 20 steps back in making yourself sound credible.

Originally Posted by TLC (Post 2545712)

This has gotten so unbelievable....

That poor dog...And I think she is a beauty. I also feel that what is most important at this time is that she gets spayed.

Check out Friends of Animals
Friends of Animals | Spay and Neuter Certificate Information

This entire thread shows the true character of this Breeder, NOT ONLY as a Breeder but her Values as a Person as well :thumbdown

At this point, the only side I am on is for that UN-SPAYED Female - My God - Her FATE is tearing me up inside :( :( :(

Originally Posted by DanicaBraggs (Post 2545725)

This is truelly killing me.I want this baby girl to have a forever home.I just want what is best for her.If the owner of her now tries to sell her she truelly won't get what she paid for her,lets face it she is 1 yr. old and will hopefully be fixed before being sold.You would be lucky to get a few hundred for her.

Originally Posted by TLC (Post 2545712)

This has gotten so unbelievable....

That poor dog...And I think she is a beauty. I also feel that what is most important at this time is that she gets spayed.

Check out Friends of Animals
Friends of Animals | Spay and Neuter Certificate Information

This entire thread shows the true character of this Breeder, NOT ONLY as a Breeder but her Values as a Person as well :thumbdown

At this point, the only side I am on is for that UN-SPAYED Female - My God - Her FATE is tearing me up inside :( :( :(

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545756)

Liar..... give that to the ummm.... president/lawyer...geez that was easy to research!! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545749)

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Teiya... her value is $400.. well gee her value was $800... what happened that you only value her at 400$ . A dog is valued at what someone will pay. Don't you agree. Hey someone go ahead and look at the "lawyer" that is the president of the bird society... we did.. .Not that it really matters LIAR.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2545768)

I have now caught up on this thread since I went to bed last night. Having slept on this, I have the following thoughts:

**No member of YT should give money to support this situation unless Emma goes to a rescue, and a member is interested in supporting her through that rescue

**I want to remind everyone here, old members and new, that there have been situations in the past where money has been donated by YT members, only to have that situation go entirely awry

**The buyer needs to decide whether to 1) return Emma to seller or 2) rehome her herself, spaying her or 3) give her to rescue

**I would still act as a liaison btwn buyer and seller if it came to that

The bottom line is, YT cannot act as a source for donations in these types of matters - it would set us up for all manner of scams and puts our members at risk.

And the heart of the matter is -- there is a little dog's well being at stake here, which really has nothing to do with money whatsoever. So, I think at this point a person has to ask themselves, what is the best thing I could do for THIS DOG --> and then do it.

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545467)

I am going to keep posting this quote the Breeze investigated. If any of you (and I won't say all because of all my friend requests and pms and posts on my side out of this-I am not referring you your supportiveness) think that my "reputation is surrounded in Yt you have got to be kidding. The busy bodies that are so interested in something they know nothing about should go back and see?? what 4 posts out of 900 that are actually selling a dog?? I am not a huge breeder and don't need YT to sell are you kidding? I don't even have enough litters to have to...it is just an additional means. I did not"breed" Emma. I owned her briefly before Sara purchased her months ago. She came back to my less than a few days when Gina said she wanted her. Everything in our phone conversations was discussed. MANY hours. You all can ASSume all you want. You weren't there and have no clue. I did offer her a REFUND.She said no and that she WANTED to keep her. She also turned around and had a broker sell her and advertise her as a breeder. She told me she promised to spay her asap. I am not the "breeder" of Emma. No I don't want anything else to do with this as I offered/she declined and also is very much appreciative everyone else will be paying for her lies. Please read the quote again and AGAIN ...however many times it would take to actually sink in for some of you. She IS NOT friends with Chelsey as she claims. Read Chelseys response. She does not know her and posted EXACTLY what Gina requested of her. Now I do think Gina does have "updated pics" right. Of the supposed wrong dog (and for many of you that don't think she is the same dog-just as many do. Please please go for the legal Dave. We will be well taken care of and you will loose. We will also bring Chelseys info in this as well as to your "misrepresentation of an acurate picture". You don't intimitate me or my family with your threats and yes my husband can bench more than you can. My family does not get intimidated. Call it an italian thing. So your wasting your breath. Our family is well versed in the legal areana so if you want to keep threatening please put your money where your mouth is. We can and will accomodate. Please for everyone else that is so willing to side with the "honest" "done wrong buyer" read again the quote below. I have 900 posts and 97% of all of them are simply complimenting or asking questions. So no I won't be going anywhere and just because of a few misguided responses.... I wish I could copy all the pms that are so supportive as well, but they don't want to be involved in the high school drama. I wonder why people still don't get the fact that I offered the refund, she declined, then posted Emma as a breeder. I am no longer going to pay her for her B.S and HER choice at having Emma shipped. Ummm and again... I don't have a "reputation" on here. Nor desire to have one. Anyone can see that by my other 897 posts :-)

Originally Posted by Teiya (Post 2545765)

If you'd have been HONEST with me, I never would have bought her and YOU KNEW THAT. (BS and YOU know it)

I've spent my entire week talking with people regarding this dog (mostly yesterday and today). Yes, I was going to place her under the same conditions that YOU placed her with me under... in tact and breedable. But she's not a good specimen to breed and I know that now (I don't breed dogs btw so I'd have no friggin clue what's a good breeder and what isn't). But several of my close friends, one being a breeder of beagles saw Emma within the past 2 days and told me flat out she's not what you presented. (Does her long snout also seen clearly in the original ad/last pic constitute her all of a sudden not being a good breeder for you_)
Yep, I was going to spay her if she worked out in my home. I told you that. But she's not working out. Something else you knew before you sent her here.

So if you're so damn concerned, WHY DON"T YOU TAKE HER BACK ????

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2545768)

I have now caught up on this thread since I went to bed last night. Having slept on this, I have the following thoughts:

**No member of YT should give money to support this situation unless Emma goes to a rescue, and a member is interested in supporting her through that rescue

**I want to remind everyone here, old members and new, that there have been situations in the past where money has been donated by YT members, only to have that situation go entirely awry

**The buyer needs to decide whether to 1) return Emma to seller or 2) rehome her herself, spaying her or 3) give her to rescue

**I would still act as a liaison btwn buyer and seller if it came to that

The bottom line is, YT cannot act as a source for donations in these types of matters - it would set us up for all manner of scams and puts our members at risk.

And the heart of the matter is -- there is a little dog's well being at stake here, which really has nothing to do with money whatsoever. So, I think at this point a person has to ask themselves, what is the best thing I could do for THIS DOG --> and then do it.

Originally Posted by Hansch99 (Post 2545782)

If your family was really "well versed in the legal arena," I think you'd realize the law is not on your side here. Not only is Florida law consumer friendly, there are also penalties that can be assessed against you beyond merely refunding her money and paying for return shipping. Italian or not, you should be able to realize when standing your ground is more trouble than it's worth.

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545756)

Liar..... give that to the ummm.... president/lawyer...geez that was easy to research!! :rolleyes:
Page 18 of this thread post #266 Keep bashing and I'm going to keep on responding. I do have other things to do, but periodically I will catch up

Originally Posted by DanicaBraggs (Post 2545791)

Ok I am new here and have been reading all this.Jasmanea I think your pups are cute but I don't think to highly of you.(What is your point?) You as you pointed out are new and you know nothing of the factual situation. Just a bunch of opinions. Again a yorkie is worth what someone will pay. Do you determine that?? I don't think so. My Jasper is 12 wks. old a is AKC registered he is valued at 1000.You have a female 1yr. old who isn't fixed and is ckc registered.From the pics I seen she doesn't seem like a good canidate to breed.So she needs to be fixed.My understanding with that is her value goes down.If she was being sold here it would be around 300.None of this should have kept going you has the prior owner of the dog should have taken her back no ifs ands or buts.It is obvious you don't want to fork over that money.FINE!!!! Then she needs a new home because she isn't working out where she is.With her aggression issues and her being an older dog it might be very hard to do.I am in love with this baby girl and wished I could come up with money to bring her into a home where she will be loved forever.I have made phone calls after phone calls today trying to get something.I have only scraped up 300.I have a child in private school we just bought a new car and a new house.We are in the middle of remodeling the basement that is all I have.I could pay the rest in a payment plan but that is it.There is my offer,it is out there.Oh I live in Illinois too so I would have to get some help on getting her to me.This girl needs a home PERIOD!!!

Originally Posted by jasmanea (Post 2545783)

I am not giving YOU a penny after the nasty emails your husband and yourself posted and after you started this whole thread. I offered you a refund and YOU declined. I have a copy of it of course. I will NOT pay for your chosing for her to be shipped. That was not my optional choice. It was yours!!!!!!!!!!! We are FULLY prepared to go to great lenghts after all the B.S lies and the posts on EMMA. Give your "friend" Gee another one the "lawyer" your ad that you stated she was going into heat soon and going to be a great breeder. You don't give a crap about her or you would never have posted that.