I give up on this whole thing now. None of it is making any sense on either side. I will pray this little dog finds a home where she will be loved and treated like she deserves to be. She needs to be rescued by someone who really cares about animals. Not bought or sold but rescued.

Nope, it does not look like the same dog to me either, the coloring, shape of the face is different. The aggresive behavior can be worked with, I saw it in an episode of its me or the dog. I wish you luck with the adjustments.

Well Jasmanea is no longer off so I don't think she is going to address any of the question in regards to whether or not she plans to get Emma back, have her spayed & find her a loving home.....

The ad that was additionally placed was also misleading as the same misleading picture was put up instead of the more "actual" picture of what Emma really looks like...that would have set up the potential new owner for the same disappointment as Gina...not good!

Anyway....all I wanna know is where is Emma now? Is she warm, happy? Is she given attention? Is she eating okay? Is she being exercised? I've been thinking about her..If I were close, I would foster her until all this can be sorted out. This is all so sad....:( I'd help out any way I can.

Emma is sleeping in her bed. She had a bath yesterday and is warm, cozy and well fed. Just because she's not the right dog for my family doesn't mean she doesn't deserve the same love, warmth and comfort as I give Teiya. I want what is best for her and I'm an adult enough to admit that I'm not it.

Just so everyone understands, I WILL NOT ship Emma anywhere. Anyone interested in taking her in and giving her a happy home must come here and meet her for at least a few hours and get to know her... And sign a contract stating that if she didn't work out, they need to return her to me. I'll be woman enough to do for Emma what Jasmanea could not. I'm not so greedy that I would defraud people for a few bucks. Karma is a bitch.

I 100% agree with ALL of your posts after reading every response to this thread. I don't feel that the seller or buyer is innocent in this. It makes me so sad for Emma.. poor thing doesn't know what's going on and her temperament is not her fault :(

If everyone stopped thinking about money for 5 seconds and took into consideration the LIFE of this animal..I think this thread would have been done long before 23 pages.

Lucas and I send 1000000 smoochies for Emma.

Thank you for stepping up to the plate Gina! Someone had to do it. :D

I don't have a dog-related website but I do have design website and I would be more than happy to dedicate and set up a temporary page to help Emma.

Placing everything aside, let's focus on what's best for Emma here.

Based on what you know and the pictures that you've seen (and I'll post more pictures tomorrow), what do you think a fair ADOPTION fee would be for her? If we're going to work towards getting this girl where she'll prosper, let's do that. Granted, I'm willing to take a slight financial loss in her best interest, but I can't afford an $1100 loss. Jasmanea is obviously not going to step up to the plate so someone has to.

In Avian Rescue, as director, I speak with potential applicants, do a home study and vet check and then present their case and facts to a committee and they vote on it. I don't vote. I remain neutral. I just present the applicants. Can we do the same here? Can we set up a committee and vote on where Emma is placed and who she is placed with?

Is there anyone else here in Utah that would be willing to help me screen applicants?

This is what Chelsy said when I asked if she also would be willing to try to find a new home for Emma.


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I will not advertise her, but if I come across an interested client where she would fit and have a loving forever home, I would refer them to Gina. My original inentions where to get Emma out there so I could come up with some interested clients, and from there, it was up to Gina to follow through with everything and make sure that is was a good fit. Emma is not my dog, and I do not know her temperment, and because of this, I shouldn't have advertised her in the first place, but I know that at this point, finding Emma a forever home is the best thing to do, and I will do what I can to help. I just hope this can be resolved, and I really hope this hasn't tarnished my repuation. I love my dogs and my pups, and I do everything I can to be 100% honest and upfront, and it is so sad to me that everyone doesn't do business in this fashion. I also want everyone to know that this Emma has nothing to do with the puppy I have named Emma. My puppy Emma was born in January of this year, and I have found the most wonderful home for her. My four year old really likes the name Emma, so she named this pup Emma as well, but she has nothing to do with Gina's dog! Just to clarify:) Anyways, thanks for all your help, and I will see what I can do to help this poor little innocent dog.

Thanks!
Chelsy

As well as this when I asked she minded if I posted this on YT:

That is just fine, I appreciate it. I do not like to get into this stuff, but if you are willing to pass the message on and stick up for me, than thank you!:) What matters to me most is that my clients trust me and are happy with their pups, but I don't want this thread to deter any potential clients away from working with me. I would just hate to lose good homes for my babies because of this sad situation. Anyone who knows me know that I stand behind my dogs, but it takes meeting me and working with me first!:) Anyways, thanks again for all your help. You are wonderful!

I'm the one who sent you the original post about the ad on ksl I HONESTLY had no Idea that you had her post the same picture you were scammed with. I did not mean for Chelsey to be the blame she did not know she trusted you.
And just a reply to one post.... I am new to YT I did not fill out all of my profile info because honestly I was just here to learn not talk but then I got brave and I posted about my dogs ears that is how I saw the forum post.I hate people who scam and maybe I should have kept out of it, but it is just my personality to try to help everyone even if I am burned in the mean time And (maybe I am a freak) but I do look at KSL almost everyday if I am bored and I have 2 yorkies not 1. Emma (popular name I guess) and Sophie and 2 poodles. I am not "fishy" I just did not fill out all of my info because I knew these kind of bashing things go on on these groups and was realy going to keep quiet as I will now in the future.unless I see scams or anything going on to hurt the dogs that I just can not stay quiet for it's not in my nature!!
But in the end I am glad Emma will get a nice home! and gina thank you for sticking up for chelsey she is the inocent bystander REALY!!

Gina thank you for doing the right thing also.

It's not entirely about the money it's just a loss that I'm sure not many of us could afford to just 'brush-off' we're generous to a fault with rescue and we'd never turn our backs on an animal, person, or family in need.

I do however cringe at sending her back to the Seller. She isn't a good fit here but she doesn't deserve that either as she obviously has no intention of doing what is right for Emma.

If the good people of YT are willing to aid financially in the placement of Emma and assist us with offsetting our losses. The least that we can do is place her properly (and would regardless, but with the loss we couldn't do much more than find her a loving family and make back a portion of what we've lost. We'd never place her somewhere that wasn't a good fit just to get more money.) and involve everyone in the process who contributed to seeing this girl get where she needs to be.

Gina will get a hold of our vet tomorrow and find out what it will cost to get her spayed prior to placement. Though we have a pretty good idea of that cost since Teiya just recently went in for that very same thing and the only reason she hasn't had it done yet is because of her weight.

I do however believe that the seller should be banned from any further business transactions as a result of her complete unprofessionalism, deception, and disregard for the well being of Emma. This is definitely not the image of integirty that the YT community wants to be associated with nor portrayed as tolerable behavior. As we don't want to send the message for one moment that anyone can get away with something like this and if she does get away with it, there is nothing to stop other scammers from trying to make a quick buck thinking that it will blow over.

Well if the YT community is willing to help us offset our losses, the least that should happen is the YT community be involved in making sure Emma has the love, attention and stability she deserves.

I don't dislike Emma, but she's never going to be happy under these circumstances and since the seller doesn't care enough about her to ensure she gets this, it's up to us isn't it?

Chelsey is a wonderful, knowledgeable and caring person. If I wanted a puppy, I'd buy from her in a heartbeat as she stands behind her dogs. I haven't met many breeders with her integrity. She's honest and sincere.

I'm not dissapointed, I'm outraged. I will still pursue legal recourse for her actions even if the community is willing to help us out, but it's not something that will be resolved anytime soon. In the event that compensation is awarded I'd be happy to donate it to YTCA or a popular vote for an organizations rescue efforts.

My vote would be to donate to YT, it is expensive to run this awesome site.
The amount of wonderful yorkie things that happen here is unbelievable. No better place to support yorkies.

I completely agree. I love this site, even if I haven't been on it very long. The people here are amazing, generous and so very helpful!

We WILL pursue it legally. I'll call my attorney in the morning and see what I have to do to get it started.

Ultimately, Emma needs to be spayed before placement. I'll talk to my vet tomorrow and explain the situation and see if he'd be willing to give me a discount on Emma's spay. I bring parrots to him every week for rescue and he gives our organization a discount for them, so it's worth asking since I have a good relationship with Dr Orr. I can't afford any more out of my pocket. I've lost so much as it is, so getting this done would depend on how much money we could come up with.

Just wondering if anyone saw this..... This seems to contradict what the buyer said about not knowing that Chelsey put Emma on her website....I myself am not forking over any of my hard earned money for dishonest people... Don't let this post make you think I agree with you either jasmanea...SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!!

Good grief, this whole situation is so heartbreaking. I do think the post on the website is a little off but whatever. I can only see the buyer in this situation, the only one who is trying to what's best for Emma. The seller could obviously care less or she wouldn't have kept ignoring everyone and just worrying about how she could turn everyone against the buyer. It's rather pathetic and I won't put what I really think.

I don't really believe anyone 100%, not even the Chelsy person. It's OBVIOUS people can lie on the internet so wake up people and drop the whole "taking sides".

Good luck and I hope Emma finds a loving home where she can be spoiled rotten and have LOADS of attention.

Wait, now I am really confused. Who spends over $1,000 on a female Yorkie and can't afford a spay?

And, if you know a local breeder, why in the heck-a-rooney would you buy a dog and have shipped to you?

I saved up for the purchase of Emma and endured quite a few expenses after she arrived in vet bills already.

As for the breeder, I didn't WANT a puppy. I wanted an adult. Raising a puppy is a lot of work and I didn't feel that I should spread my time that thin. Chelsey sells puppies. Occasionally she has adult dogs available but she didn't feel that any of what she had was a good match to my family and was honest with me about that. I respect and admire her for that. She could have made a fast buck from me but chose not to.

Ahh, okay. that makes more sense.

Well, lesson learned, I'm sure.

I wish there was some way I could help Emma! Poor dear.

Why won't the breeder just refund the money, minus the shipping costs, and pay to have her sent back? That's exactly what I would do! Of course, I love my dogs and couldn't BEAR the thought of one of them being in a home that wasn't right for them. I would be unable to sleep, unable to eat, and money would be the LAST thing on my mind. Who cares about the money? We all gotta eat, I know, but why breed them if you don't absolutely adore them?

She wasn't trying to do what is best for Emma until she was offered money from yt members to help(which by the way if you look way back in the thread, she needs the money to buy a new dog). Up till now, she had a false ad for the poor dog saying she had a good temperment and was soon ready to breed...It seems to me she should rehome her HONESTLY and then sue jasmanea for the difference....If she were fixing to lose her home or car I might consider helping, but I am not helping her buy another dog when she should have been more responsible about this purchase....and jasmanea should be banned.....

I'd like to make another suggestion:

Both parties involved should take 24 hours to cool off and decide what the best course of action is. I think legal action should be a last resort, because it's damaging to everyone involved.

There are people with experience mediating business disputes. My guess is that you could find a professional mediator, but I have the name of someone who does not have any kind of title, but is very good with this type of thing. If someone PMs me, I can provide her information. She works on cases all over the country.

My guess is that if this ends up with no agreement between buyer and seller, it will end up costing both of you much more than it would to settle this. There would be legal fees, time spent, bile... I was the one who originally suggested that YT members help, but this would definitely be complicated: someone would need to keep records of Emma's spay and adoption fees to verify that everything was done on the up and up, for instance.

I think the ideal situation at this point would be: Emma is sold to a good home. Buyer and seller split the total expenses less whatever her she is sold for. Ideally she would be sold in Utah, so she does not have to be shipped again. I am not sure what a good adoption fee for her would be. Maybe another thread should get started for this.

Sarah, with everything that has been posted here, do you honestly feel the breeder will do the right thing for Emma if I do send her back? She misrepresented her to me to get her off her hands and hasn't been very professional in this matter. She's not even remotely tried to resolve this matter. I don't think she cares.

There has to be more people on YT from Utah. I can't be the only one. I would be willing to work with another member of YT.

I'm just trying to find a solution to this issue but holy cow... how much more of a beating do I need to take here? I'm not the one that misrepresented the dog and placed her in an unsuitable situation. God I wish I was suitable for Emma, but sadly, I'm not. At least I can admit that.

And yeah I want my money back. Any one of you would too! I'm staring at almost $600 in vet bills on top of what Jasmanea took from me. How much more should I lose here? All I want is for Emma to get a good home and my life get back to normal. SOMEDAY I'll get another dog. But it won't be for a while.

[quote=QuickSilver;2545272]I'd like to make another suggestion:

Both parties involved should take 24 hours to cool off and decide what the best course of action is. I think legal action should be a last resort, because it's damaging to everyone involved.

There are people with experience mediating business disputes. My guess is that you could find a professional mediator, but I have the name of someone who does not have any kind of title, but is very good with this type of thing. If someone PMs me, I can provide her information. She works on cases all over the country.

My guess is that if this ends up with no agreement between buyer and seller, it will end up costing both of you much more than it would to settle this. There would be legal fees, time spent, bile... I was the one who originally suggested that YT members help, but this would definitely be complicated: someone would need to keep records of Emma's spay and adoption fees to verify that everything was done on the up and up, for instance.

I think the ideal situation at this point would be: Emma is sold to a good home. Buyer and seller split the total expenses less whatever her she is sold for. Ideally she would be sold in Utah, so she does not have to be shipped again. I am not sure what a good adoption fee for her would be. Maybe another thread should get started for this.[/quote]

FINALLY... some common sense! :thumbup::thumbup:
It would really be nice if YT Members could help out people/Yorkies when they're in "need" but we've been through this before. It's just too hard to define who should get what and why. I wish you all luck in getting this resolved. Emma - you're in my prayers sweetie!

Absolutely that's obvious now - but that SHOULD have been what was done from the beginning, and actually, this person shouldn't be breeding and shouldn't be allowed to advertise on YT anymore....

It just breaks my heart when people don't do the right thing, especially someone who breeds Yorkies!

I agree that the best course of action is a 24-hour cool-off period, and an attempt to rehome her for a fee, then the buyer and seller splittling the losses (i.e. the seller refunding that portion on the loss to the buyer).

I'd say that if you are honest about her, you could ask for $400 as an adoption fee.

You may need to look in to putting her on some rescue sites.

I'm with this too. They're all wrong and I have no more sympathy but for poor Emma.
What about this? Chelsea says she doesn't even know these folks and the OP said they were friends????
I'm so confused! This is some dirty deeds!

I was thinking $350 - $400 on either a spay contract or whatever I could work out with my vet. I know the humane society does low cost spays, so I'll check with them tomorrow but last I knew, they were booked WAY out.

I would be nothing but honest about her and her disposition. I don't want anyone to have to go through what I'm going through right now. And I really don't think it's fair that I'm being treated as the bad guy when I'm the only person in this transaction that's willing to do the right thing.

Do you have any rescue sites that you would recommend me contact? It's been a few years since I was involved in dog rescue so I'm kinda out of connections here.

Again... I'd like to point out that I'm the only one WILLING to do what's right for this dog. Emma is not my responsibility. I didn't accept the responsibility to find her a proper home. I got forced into it because the breeder won't do what she should have done in the first place and stuck me with the task that I wasn't prepared to take on. Had she not misrepresented this dog to me, I would be in this difficult situation and neither would poor Emma. So now I'm the bad guy? How many of you could honestly say you could live with a dog who is aggressive to your 3lb dog and your children? At what point should I accept that she may bite my 4 year old in the face? I'm sorry. I can't do that. I can't take those kinds of risks over a freaking hot dog! This kind of behavior would make anyone desperate. And forgive me for venting to a friend who cared enough to try to help me. That's more than the breeder is doing! She got her money and she's happy. Heck, she even bought a really cute little girl AND a boy just this week. But I'm supposed to just take the financial hit? Could someone please pass me the vaseline? This is getting painful.

Good grief! Stop freaking attacking me. I've been trying to work with the breeder for a week on this. It was after that failed that I had to bring it public. My only gain was so that no one else got hurt by her when I posted this thread.

I'm trying to do the right thing here, but I can't do it by myself. I'm open to all suggestions, so if you have something positive to contribute, please do.