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vickii-116 12-28-2008 07:53 PM
tails?
 
yorkie puppies are born with long tails ....why do people cut their tails?

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by vickii-116 (Post 2391776)
yorkie puppies are born with long tails ....why do people cut their tails?
I assume that there was a reason for it back when the breed was first established as a ratting dog. BUt Im pretty sure they do it now because its breed standard? Im not an expert but people think it looks better. In germany (I think its germany) They arent allowed to dock an animals tail, And i seen a full lenght tail on a yorkie from germany and it was the cutest thing EVER! lol Very unusual though..

lemonlauren 12-28-2008 07:57 PM
LOL, I've often wondered this myself. If my puppy hadn't already had his tail chopped when we picked him out, I probably would have been happy to leave it long and natural.

Lauren & Nikko

vickii-116 12-28-2008 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Keely_momma (Post 2391781)
I assume that there was a reason for it back when the breed was first established as a ratting dog. BUt Im pretty sure they do it now because its breed standard? Im not an expert but people think it looks better. In germany (I think its germany) They arent allowed to dock an animals tail, And i seen a full lenght tail on a yorkie from germany and it was the cutest thing EVER! lol Very unusual though..
thats why i asking....i want to know if its important because i do not want to cut my yorkie's tail at all :S

vickii-116 12-28-2008 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lemonlauren (Post 2391783)
LOL, I've often wondered this myself. If my puppy hadn't already had his tail chopped when we picked him out, I probably would have been happy to leave it long and natural.

Lauren & Nikko
im lucky that the lady wont cut his tail of before i pick him up :P

vickii-116 12-28-2008 07:59 PM
off* oops

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:02 PM
Tails have to be docked within a few days off birth, after that its considered a major amputation that requires surgery and other unnescicary pain for the dog. I Asume you plan on keeping the natural tail.

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Keely_momma (Post 2391793)
Tails have to be docked within a few days off birth, after that its considered a major amputation that requires surgery and other unnescicary pain for the dog. I Asume you plan on keeping the natural tail.
ohhh yess .... i dont think any dog deserves having their tails cut off... we wouldnt cut off anything on our human babies so why do it to dogs?

jmdt 12-28-2008 08:08 PM
My Coco and Pebbles have docked tails but my Trixie has a full tail. I call her taily girl. I think it's so cute. It goes crazy when she's happy back and forth. I also like my two with docked tails they are so stubby. I hate to think of the pain they went through when it was cut. They came to me that way. Either way I guess.
:aimeeyorkCOCO :aimeeyorkPEBBLES :aimeeyorkTRIXIE

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:09 PM
Caucasian Ovcharkas Have their ears cropped as pups becuase "back in the day" They were used to hunt large animals and protect cattle and other live sstock out in the feilds. They were cropped so that predatoors couldnt garb there ears with there teeth and Pull them to the ground and have a way to manipulate them into surrender. MOst of these dogs now adays Are just used as pets but there ears are still cropped. Why? The look stuck to them, and now it is considered "breed standard" for the dogs ears to be cropped, even though they are in no danger of being dragged to the ground by the ears.


Maybe "Back in the day" Yorkies tails were docked to that rats couldnt chew on them? MAybe the people of the mines wanted them to use there tails as "pointer" dogs do? Either way it isnt nesicary these days, they are docked simply for the look.

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:10 PM
i just think its wrong for the breeders to have cut your puppy's tail off without asking... for any puppy and owner

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:11 PM
I watched a documentary on ear cropping and tail docking, it wasnt pretty. I heard the pups screming when they aplied the clamp to dock the tails and it has seriously scarred me for life. I feel so bad that my poor girl went through that to get that little stub on her back. Its quite sad.

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by vickii-116 (Post 2391806)
i just think its wrong for the breeders to have cut your puppy's tail off without asking... for any puppy and owner
Responsible breeders register with the CKC, AKC etc. Therefor they live by the breed standard and breed champion pups. And if tails arent docked, They cant be registered. Beleive me, Keelys breeder dont like it either, BUt she loves the breed and wants to "improve" it. Therefore she has to follow breed standard to acheive her goals

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:14 PM
humans hurt dogs too much just for looks... we dont get our ears cropped because it would be painfull....BUT we do it to dogs :S

tanyawilliam 12-28-2008 08:15 PM
My new puppy Bella, does not have her tail docked. The lady I bought her from thought it was inhumane. I love it long myself! SHe is 11 weeks old today. I have had her since she was 8 weeks old

jencar98 12-28-2008 08:15 PM
I believe yorkie tail docking was originally done to prevent the tail from being injured during ratting/hunting. I do think docking makes a yorkie look in balance more so than with natural tails. Also, done early enough and properly there shouldn't be much pain (if any) for the puppy involved. If the breeder were to wait and ask the new puppy owners their preference, it would be too late and would require surgery to be done.

We have quite a few YT members with yorkie tails left natural and they are very cute either way.

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vickii-116 (Post 2391811)
humans hurt dogs too much just for looks... we dont get our ears cropped because it would be painfull....BUT we do it to dogs :S
Yes, BUT.. There are responsible breeders working with the CKC to change that. I think they now accept dobies with natural ears. BUt we have to take it one step at a time..If all goes well, natural and Cropped/docked will be accepted! I hope this happens VERY soon!

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:17 PM
this is wrong

jencar98 12-28-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vickii-116 (Post 2391811)
humans hurt dogs too much just for looks... we dont get our ears cropped because it would be painfull....BUT we do it to dogs :S
We may not get our ears cropped but how many moms have had their baby daughter's ears pierced and I know that is painful! So, humans often do hurtful things to themselves and others, in the name of vanity.

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2391815)
I believe yorkie tail docking was originally done to prevent the tail from being injured during ratting/hunting. I do think docking makes a yorkie look in balance more so than with natural tails. Also, done early enough and properly there shouldn't be much pain (if any) for the puppy involved. If the breeder were to wait and ask the new puppy owners their preference, it would be too late and would require surgery to be done.

We have quite a few YT members with yorkie tails left natural and they are very cute either way.
i think the video show's that he or she did have pain

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vickii-116 (Post 2391826)
i think the video show's that he or she did have pain
My thoughts exactly... Its right up there with declawing a cat. Because they cant tell you they are in pain doesnt mean they arent in pain.

yorkiekist 12-28-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Keely_momma (Post 2391808)
I watched a documentary on ear cropping and tail docking, it wasnt pretty. I heard the pups screming when they aplied the clamp to dock the tails and it has seriously scarred me for life. I feel so bad that my poor girl went through that to get that little stub on her back. Its quite sad.
I dont think that its as traumatic as most people think. My puppies only cry for about a minute and then they are put back on mom. I never hear another distress peep out of them. Alot of docking and cropping are done for cleanliness and health issues, especially dew claws. But it seems to be a cruel world: babies are circumsized, lambs tails are docked and goats horns are burned off, ears and other body parts are pierced, animals are spayed, neutered, gelded and bulls have rings in their noses. These, to me, seem much worse than docking tails on Yorkies.

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2391833)
I dont think that its as traumatic as most people think. My puppies only cry for about a minute and then they are put back on mom. I never hear another distress peep out of them. Alot of docking and cropping are done for cleanliness and health issues, especially dew claws. But it seems to be a cruel world: babies are circumsized, lambs tails are docked and goats horns are burned off, ears and other body parts are pierced, animals are spayed, neutered, gelded and bulls have rings in their noses. These, to me, seem much worse than docking tails on Yorkies.
i dont understand the cleanliness and health issues? :S :P

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2391833)
Alot of docking and cropping are done for cleanliness and health issues, especially dew claws. But it seems to be a cruel world: babies are circumsized, lambs tails are docked and goats horns are burned off, ears and other body parts are pierced, animals are spayed, neutered, gelded and bulls have rings in their noses. These, to me, seem much worse than docking tails on Yorkies.
NObody said they agreed with all those other things.


Pets are spayed, nuetered, Gelded, FOfr a perfectly legitament reason. TO control pet overpopulatioon. A mal dog smells a intact female, it will stop at nothing to get to her when shes in heat. Risks getting lost, hit by a car etc. Tail docking yorkies tails these days is done without reason. Just for looks. My girl wouldnt have anymore helath issues with a full length tail, but if she wasnt spayed she has a better chance at getting certian cancers, dying during birth, Etc etc.

jencar98 12-28-2008 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Keely_momma (Post 2391832)
My thoughts exactly... Its right up there with declawing a cat. Because they cant tell you they are in pain doesnt mean they arent in pain.
Tail docking and declawing a cat are not even close to the same thing.

And, although the video posted does show the puppy crying out, I believe my son cried more with his first vaccinations. I'm thinking you were more scarred by the tail docking than the puppies were.

LilMissy 12-28-2008 08:33 PM
I dunno...the video makes me wish that Missy's tail hadn't been docked. But hey, that's out of my control. It was done before I even met her.

I think it's cruel, only because it's done for cosmetic purposes. I'm sure if these puppies could talk, they'd prefer that their tails be left intact.

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2391841)
Tail docking and declawing a cat are not even close to the same thing.

And, although the video posted does show the puppy crying out, I believe my son cried more with his first vaccinations. I'm thinking you were more scarred by the tail docking than the puppies were.
needles are needed due to health....like cat declawing, needles are not the same as tails cut off

Keely_momma 12-28-2008 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2391841)
Tail docking and declawing a cat are not even close to the same thing.

And, although the video posted does show the puppy crying out, I believe my son cried more with his first vaccinations. I'm thinking you were more scarred by the tail docking than the puppies were.

That was not my point. Alot of people think its fine to declaw a cat because they dont seem to be in pain. Wrong. ANImals do very well at hiding their pain. Because in the wild, the weakest link of the pack is the most vulnorable to predators etc. I was saying that , not because i think that declawing a cat is the equivelent of docking a dogs tail, but because people think its fine to declaw a cat, but in reality its one of the most painful procedures for a cat, and its like a human cuting there finger off from the first knuckle. NOt very pleasent.

vickii-116 12-28-2008 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2391845)
I dunno...the video makes me wish that Missy's tail hadn't been docked. But hey, that's out of my control. It was done before I even met her.

I think it's cruel, only because it's done for cosmetic purposes. I'm sure if these puppies could talk, they'd prefer that their tails be left intact.
its sad...and im sure if you had the decision you wouldnt have had her tail cut off

yorkiekist 12-28-2008 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Keely_momma (Post 2391840)
NObody said they agreed with all those other things.


Pets are spayed, nuetered, Gelded, FOfr a perfectly legitament reason. TO control pet overpopulatioon. A mal dog smells a intact female, it will stop at nothing to get to her when shes in heat. Risks getting lost, hit by a car etc. Tail docking yorkies tails these days is done without reason. Just for looks. My girl wouldnt have anymore helath issues with a full length tail, but if she wasnt spayed she has a better chance at getting certian cancers, dying during birth, Etc etc.
I was trying to give examples of "pain" analogy. In my opinion, docking Yorkie tails doesnt come close to the "pain" of burning goat horns. And there is a reason for all of the "pain" in each of the examples I gave, except for body piercing. Evidentally, you did not get the point of my post.


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