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AVERYxo 12-30-2008 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by koran (Post 2394531)
i want to be yorkiek9trainers dog! 10 kt! Lol
me too! :D

Keely_momma 12-30-2008 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AVERYxo (Post 2394536)
me too! :D
Lol.. I dont.. Those earings sound heavy..lol..

grannystreet 12-30-2008 06:44 PM
To Dock or Not to Dock? That is the question!
 
Dang, I love this site - just joined and I can't stop reading and posting my 2cents worth! :)
As to the docking - I presently have 2 males UNDOCKED! And I can tell you they are BEAUTIFUL! One particular male, Little Man, is my stud muffin! He uses his long haired tail to 'woo' the females - human AND 4 legged! :lol tearsHe curls his body around and 'flitters' his tail near his mouth and GRINS!! Looks much like a Spanish dancer with a fan! Everyone loves it!
And when my 2 furbabies get into a fight - you just grab a tail in each hand and PULL! Beats getting yourself bitten!!
My 2 females (passed away in January and November '09) both had their tails docked and they were cute, but I would have rather they had not been docked - but I was told you 'had to do it!'
I love the long haired tails and would never dock another! But to each his own as long as the furbabies are LOVED!

yorkieK9trainer 12-30-2008 09:54 PM
Sorry, there shouldn't have been a zero after the one!
Ha ha, I don't want a brick attached to her ear! ;)
Just a cute 1 carat that'll stand out nicely against her black fu, without being tacky.


Ha ha ha, every girl should have a pair of real diamond earrings! She will have certainly earned them after she Ch.'s. :)

KimberlySRN 12-30-2008 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2394442)
I don't know. That would be a question to ask those who made that point, not me. I don't share that view. :)



Of course. :thumbup: We are all passionate about issues regarding these little doggies, otherwise we wouldn't be here. I find that those of you who live in Europe where it is banned are often the most passionate about it, which is fine until it comes to insulting "us" here where it is allowed. (NOT referring to you--you have not done that at all, but it happens frequently.) Maybe those who live where it has been banned for sometime have become so used to it that anything outside of what you've come to know as "the norm" just seems wrong. The same line of logic is the case for those of us who are not prohibited from making that choice. Just food for thought.
I have to agree with that. We need to think outside the box and be adults and respond like adults. We all have different opinions and insulting a person closes their mind on your point.

Lesley Carol 12-31-2008 01:59 AM
I don't know whether standards are shifting in the UK,but most of the younger yorkies I see are undocked. My own pup, Lucy, has the cutest (entire) tail, which communicates her mood brilliantly. Above all, when she's welcoming us home it's so madly waggy it's almost like a helicopter rotor!

kezza 12-31-2008 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lesley Carol (Post 2395383)
I don't know whether standards are shifting in the UK,but most of the younger yorkies I see are undocked. My own pup, Lucy, has the cutest (entire) tail, which communicates her mood brilliantly. Above all, when she's welcoming us home it's so madly waggy it's almost like a helicopter rotor!
It was banned in the UK from april 2007..that is why you will see all the younger yorkies with intact tail.:thumbup:;)

BamaFan121s 12-31-2008 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kezza (Post 2395497)
It was banned in the UK from april 2007..that is why you will see all the younger yorkies with intact tail.:thumbup:;)
Wow...just that recently? That's interesting to know...I thought it had been a banned practice for a while. I'm curious to know, when it was banned, if it was a widely accepted decision by dogs owners/breeders?

SusieQ_61397 12-31-2008 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2394487)
I can only speak for myself but I certainly will only purchase a yorkie that is bred to AKC standard. That means tails docked.

I know lots of people don't care about breed standard, the op is purchasing a dog that isn't registered, which is fine. In that case you cannot expect the dog to be breed standard so I guess tail docking wouldn't apply. As a disclaimer, yes, I do know many dogs ARE registered and are nothing close to standard, and I do know the opposite can apply as well.

As far as docking goes, as long as it's AKC standard, it will be done, and should be.
I don't quite believe in the AKC standards b/c for one thing, I know someone that registered their pig as a Labrador and the AKC registered it. That just goes to show how stupid they are. Kind of like the FDA. If it's government approved then it's OK. Not in my book. The owners of my yorkie before I purchased him didn't register him and I'm not going to either. Just knowing that he is a pure breed is good enough for me. I don't need papers to tell me his. Even if he wasn't he would still be number one :animal-pa

SusieQ_61397 12-31-2008 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by grannystreet (Post 2394978)
Dang, I love this site - just joined and I can't stop reading and posting my 2cents worth! :)
As to the docking - I presently have 2 males UNDOCKED! And I can tell you they are BEAUTIFUL! One particular male, Little Man, is my stud muffin! He uses his long haired tail to 'woo' the females - human AND 4 legged! :lol tearsHe curls his body around and 'flitters' his tail near his mouth and GRINS!! Looks much like a Spanish dancer with a fan! Everyone loves it!
And when my 2 furbabies get into a fight - you just grab a tail in each hand and PULL! Beats getting yourself bitten!!
My 2 females (passed away in January and November '09) both had their tails docked and they were cute, but I would have rather they had not been docked - but I was told you 'had to do it!'
I love the long haired tails and would never dock another! But to each his own as long as the furbabies are LOVED!
How sweet is that! I would love to see pictures! My Jack smiles quite a bit too. And he prefers women over men :D

BamaFan121s 12-31-2008 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SusieQ_61397 (Post 2395748)
I don't quite believe in the AKC standards b/c for one thing, I know someone that registered their pig as a Labrador and the AKC registered it.
Yeah, sure. I'm sorry, but that's not even possible. It doesn't even make sense. :rolleyes: Feel free to elaborate on that claim, otherwise, don't assume that anyone it going to take it seriously. If you don't agree with the AKC or their practice, for whatever reason, that's one thing...but it has nothing to do with "believing" in the standard. What's to "believe" in...it exists, in black and white. It's not like "believing" in Santa Clause or some unproven theory.

yorkieK9trainer 01-02-2009 05:13 AM
BamaFan, unfortunantly because of people like SusieQ that believe registering their recognized litter with the AKC is unimportant, or notifying them when your dog is deceased, it is possible to register a dog of a one breed as a dog of another.
All one needs is the AKC number of an unregistered, deceased dog, or just one of a dog where the owner doesn't care their dogs number is being used in the lie.
If your puppies litter has been recognized b documents sent in by the breeder, finish the registry. And guard your AKC number like you would your SS#.

Lucia 01-02-2009 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2395721)
Wow...just that recently?* That's interesting to know...I thought it had been a banned practice for a while.* I'm curious to know, when it was banned, if it was a widely accepted decision by dogs owners/breeders?
I can't speak for everyone but my DH has a friend who breeds Rottweilers and he still has people wanting to buy pups from him with docked tails - which he can't do any more - simply because they prefer that look. Also, my BIL has staffordshire bull terriers - one docked, and the other with a full tail - and he prefers the look of the docked tail too. I think because the law didnt change here that long ago people prefer what they're used to seeing.

roxies_mom 01-02-2009 06:33 AM
I didn't register Roxie because I was only interested in having her as a loving companion. I never intended on showing her or breeding her. I remember asking on here what others thought, if I should or not. Even asked my SIL. No one seemed to think it was all that important since she wasn't for show or breeding purposes. But I do have all of the papers that came with her explaining her blood line. If I ever did decide to register her I guess I still could, but not sure what the point would be.
I would also love her waggely little butt just the same weather she has a docked tail or a whole tail!!

SusieQ_61397 01-02-2009 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by roxies_mom (Post 2398245)
I didn't register Roxie because I was only interested in having her as a loving companion. I never intended on showing her or breeding her. I remember asking on here what others thought, if I should or not. Even asked my SIL. No one seemed to think it was all that important since she wasn't for show or breeding purposes. But I do have all of the papers that came with her explaining her blood line. If I ever did decide to register her I guess I still could, but not sure what the point would be.
I would also love her waggely little butt just the same weather she has a docked tail or a whole tail!!
That was my thoughts exactly. Papers aren't going to change the way I feel about my Yorkie. Didn't mean to offend any one as far as registering their pets. Registering a dog is a matter of preference. I have information on my Yorkie's blood line as well. But like you said roxie...what's the point. I don't plan on breeding him or showing him. I'm just tickled to have a companion that is so excited to see me every day. Wouldn't want it any other way:animal36

fbmom 01-02-2009 09:24 AM
To dock or not to dock
 
Boxer is docked - I think long skinny tails on boxers are very ugly - looks too much like a big rat tail. eew! Besides the boxer is so rambunctious as a puppy - I can't imagine the damage it would do with that tail!

Yorkie chi isn't docked - but she doesn't need to be standard since she is a mutt! I love her fluffly tail.

IMHO - Our governments need to spend their time and energy on more important matters than whether we dock or don't dock our dogs' tails. Docked or undocked tails don't effect the environment, world peace or poverty.

heatherm0890 01-02-2009 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fbmom (Post 2398387)
Boxer is docked - I think long skinny tails on boxers are very ugly - looks too much like a big rat tail. eew! Besides the boxer is so rambunctious as a puppy - I can't imagine the damage it would do with that tail!

Yorkie chi isn't docked - but she doesn't need to be standard since she is a mutt! I love her fluffly tail.

IMHO - Our governments need to spend their time and energy on more important matters than whether we dock or don't dock our dogs' tails. Docked or undocked tails don't effect the environment, world peace or poverty.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

kezza 01-02-2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fbmom (Post 2398387)
Boxer is docked - I think long skinny tails on boxers are very ugly - looks too much like a big rat tail. eew! Besides the boxer is so rambunctious as a puppy - I can't imagine the damage it would do with that tail!

Yorkie chi isn't docked - but she doesn't need to be standard since she is a mutt! I love her fluffly tail.

IMHO - Our governments need to spend their time and energy on more important matters than whether we dock or don't dock our dogs' tails. Docked or undocked tails don't effect the environment, world peace or poverty.
I wouldn't say ANY breed of dogs NATURAL Tail is ugly:( If dogs were not meant to have a Tail it would have been eliminated through Genetic manipulation through many generations..;)
I have seen RSPCA photographs of dead puppies that have died from infection due to inexperienced breeders docking their own puppies (obviously trying to avoid the vet fee) it is heartbreaking...even OLDER dogs with infected stumps where the owner/breeder has decided too late that they want to dock the dogs tail after all..people see these breeds being shown at the dog shows with docked tails so they want that 'look' with their own dog...once people see these breeds winning the top prizes with UNDOCKED tail the better..my honest opinion everyone:)

kezza 01-02-2009 10:07 AM
Please take the time to read...many thanks YT friends.
 
http://www.dogtrainingireland.ie/doc...prohibited.pdf

Brookef18 01-02-2009 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MollysMum54 (Post 2392248)
I really cant see why cropping the tail makes it better for cleanliness, as they are still left with the bit that gets poo on it! :confused:
I think it is barbaric and unnecessary to dock a little puppy's tail..If everyone made a stand and refused to dock, it would eventually put an end to it. ( you may be able to tell that its something i feel very strongly about...maybe its because im a nurse!)

My Sadie has her tail, she is over a year now, Chewy has a docked tail, he is over two years. There is no difference in the cleanliness between the two. I have to keep the hair around their butt cut short, both get butt cuts tail or no tail!!!

Brookef18 01-02-2009 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SusieQ_61397 (Post 2398249)
That was my thoughts exactly. Papers aren't going to change the way I feel about my Yorkie. Didn't mean to offend any one as far as registering their pets. Registering a dog is a matter of preference. I have information on my Yorkie's blood line as well. But like you said roxie...what's the point. I don't plan on breeding him or showing him. I'm just tickled to have a companion that is so excited to see me every day. Wouldn't want it any other way:animal36
I have the papers both mine came with but never registered either... I could care less about papers, I'll never show them, breed them, or sell them... they are my babies!!! I just want to love them.

kezza 01-02-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Brookef18 (Post 2398515)
My Sadie has her tail, she is over a year now, Chewy has a docked tail, he is over two years. There is no difference in the cleanliness between the two. I have to keep the hair around their butt cut short, both get butt cuts tail or no tail!!!
Pixie occasionally gets a mucky butt..:p but the mess ends up on the hair down her back legs...she never gets muck on her tail as she lifts her tail when going to the toilet anyway. I too trim the hair short around her little botty.

yorkiekist 01-02-2009 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by kezza (Post 2398438)
I wouldn't say ANY breed of dogs NATURAL Tail is ugly:( If dogs were not meant to have a Tail it would have been eliminated through Genetic manipulation through many generations..;)
I have seen RSPCA photographs of dead puppies that have died from infection due to inexperienced breeders docking their own puppies (obviously trying to avoid the vet fee) it is heartbreaking...even OLDER dogs with infected stumps where the owner/breeder has decided too late that they want to dock the dogs tail after all..people see these breeds being shown at the dog shows with docked tails so they want that 'look' with their own dog...once people see these breeds winning the top prizes with UNDOCKED tail the better..my honest opinion everyone:)
Dont go blaming show dogs for the tragedies to pets caused by ignorant people. These breeder/dog owners have every opportunity to learn the correct and safe way to dock tails and remove dew claws. They also have other ways of seeing dogs with docked tails, like books of dog breeds. They may get the docking idea from that. Its not just the show dogs that they seem to want to copy.

kezza 01-02-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2398571)
Dont go blaming show dogs for the tragedies to pets caused by ignorant people. These breeder/dog owners have every opportunity to learn the correct and safe way to dock tails and remove dew claws. They also have other ways of seeing dogs with docked tails, like books of dog breeds. They may get the docking idea from that. Its not just the show dogs that they seem to want to copy.
I'm not blaming the dogs for anything..i'm on THEIR side remember! LOL...:p

I have have seen many posts from people on here asking to see pictures of yorkies with full tails because they have NEVER seen one! I find this so sad:(
I'm hoping that one day people will be asking for pictures of yorkies with DOCKED tails because they have never seen one...;)

yorkiekist 01-02-2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kezza (Post 2398610)
I'm not blaming the dogs for anything..i'm on THEIR side remember! LOL...:p

I have have seen many posts from people on here asking to see pictures of yorkies with full tails because they have NEVER seen one! I find this so sad:(
I'm hoping that one day people will be asking for pictures of yorkies with DOCKED tails because they have never seen one...;)
Sorry, I was a lttle harsh. My oppologies to you. It just seems like lately the show dog world gets bashed more and more. I think that tails on Yorkies are cute but as an exhibitor, the tail just doesnt do the dog justice. The same way the Rotts look with a tail. To me they just dont look good. I love my little tailess dogs and believe me, they are still very expressive without it. On the other hand, I love Skye terriers and they do have a beautiful tail!! But, I just had to dock my 13 year olds tail as he had a tumor that couldnt be repaired(not enough skin to close it) and docking it was the only solution.:( But at least he is alive and well. He doesnt seem to even know its gone!!

kezza 01-02-2009 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2398625)
Sorry, I was a lttle harsh. My oppologies to you. It just seems like lately the show dog world gets bashed more and more. I think that tails on Yorkies are cute but as an exhibitor, the tail just doesnt do the dog justice. The same way the Rotts look with a tail. To me they just dont look good. I love my little tailess dogs and believe me, they are still very expressive without it. On the other hand, I love Skye terriers and they do have a beautiful tail!! But, I just had to dock my 13 year olds tail as he had a tumor that couldnt be repaired(not enough skin to close it) and docking it was the only solution.:( But at least he is alive and well. He doesnt seem to even know its gone!!
Hey! no worries!:) (and no need to apologise either) I know this is one of the most discussed and controversial subjects on here..and something I get quite passionate about.. I understand there will be conflicting views..;) usually these threads get closed because some people find it difficult to keep it on an adult level.

BamaFan121s 01-02-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer (Post 2398196)
BamaFan, unfortunantly because of people like SusieQ that believe registering their recognized litter with the AKC is unimportant, or notifying them when your dog is deceased, it is possible to register a dog of a one breed as a dog of another.
All one needs is the AKC number of an unregistered, deceased dog, or just one of a dog where the owner doesn't care their dogs number is being used in the lie.
If your puppies litter has been recognized b documents sent in by the breeder, finish the registry. And guard your AKC number like you would your SS#.
Oh I realize that all you would need is the registration form and you could fill it out and say whatever and not get caught unless you were inspected. :p That was kind of my point...someone did something underhanded and dishonest and it's AKC's fault? :p Laughable. So what if they filled it out and sent it in and said, "this is for my pig"--it doesn't mean that their pig is a registered dog, it just means that they lied basically and sent in paperwork as if they had something. Just trying to point out that it's a ridiculous incident to use as your "reason" to "not believe" in the standard. It doesn't even make sense and doesn't hold.

SusieQ_61397 01-02-2009 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2398827)
Oh I realize that all you would need is the registration form and you could fill it out and say whatever and not get caught unless you were inspected. :p That was kind of my point...someone did something underhanded and dishonest and it's AKC's fault? :p Laughable. So what if they filled it out and sent it in and said, "this is for my pig"--it doesn't mean that their pig is a registered dog, it just means that they lied basically and sent in paperwork as if they had something. Just trying to point out that it's a ridiculous incident to use as your "reason" to "not believe" in the standard. It doesn't even make sense and doesn't hold.

Like I said earlier today...sure didn't mean to offend anyone! I was just merely stating what I heard. Registering a dog is a preference. So excuse me for making a statement!

BamaFan121s 01-02-2009 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SusieQ_61397 (Post 2398866)
Like I said earlier today...sure didn't mean to offend anyone! I was just merely stating what I heard. Registering a dog is a preference. So excuse me for making a statement!
You didn't offend me at all. I just thought it was kind of grasping for straws to discredit an organization and breed based of something you "heard" that isn't even possible. You never know when someone is going to read what you post and take if for fact because they don't know any better. Certainly don't want anyone running around thinking they can actually register a pig and it actually be recognized by AKC.

SusieQ_61397 01-02-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2398877)
You didn't offend me at all. I just thought it was kind of grasping for straws to discredit an organization and breed based of something you "heard" that isn't even possible. You never know when someone is going to read what you post and take if for fact because they don't know any better. Certainly don't want anyone running around thinking they can actually register a pig and it actually be recognized by AKC.
I totally agree with you on your last sentence. I'm glad I didn't offend you b/c that was the last thing I wanted. :thumbup:


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