ahhh but they do...it's called circumcision. I chose not to do this to any of my sons. It's personal choice.

I decided to google for reasons of tail docking. Here is a link with some information for anyone interested:

Tail Docking - The Case for Tail Docking

That was very informative, thank you :)

I never said that dogs with docked tails are'nt cute, I think the little stumpy tails are adorable I just don't think there is any point unless its for medical/safety reasons. And I'm not saying that dogs with docked tails will fight more, its just that dogs DO use their tails to communicate both with us and each other and it must be a handicap to be without one. Their tails are just sooo versatile and they stand a much better chance of being understood if they have them and so less chance of being misinterprated!

I found this online but theres lots more info out there, and I do believe its just a matter of time before the practise is banned in the US. There were those who believed it would never be banned here either but common sense will prevail.

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Generally speaking, for the time being, it's allowed and it's the standard. Until something changes in one of the two areas, the majority of breeders will continue to dock. You can love it or hate it, but in the end, you can't do anything about it...except complain...at least until we barbarians here in the US 'catch up' and find our common sense. (Darn it, and all this time I never realized mine was missing...lol. :p)

Your welcome. I found it interesting as well. It really started out about the same as cirumcision and piercings did. I think it's all cultural and some things just stick over time. Funny after so many years of it that no one really remembers why it's done or how it started in the first place they just follow it as common practice. Circumcision was also done for cleanliness purposes way back when men roamed the desert and had a hard time keeping it clean. It's not necessary now due to soap and water not being a problem. Anything that your uncomfortable doing you should just discuss it with your vet in this case and ask questions.

It would be an interesting turn of events if tail and ear docking of dogs was outlawed as cruel and it remained legalfor human baby boys to be strapped down while a part of their penis was amputated.

Both are unnecessary cosmetic surgeries

your right it is a public forum so call it what you like and no we will never agree on this topic because I think yorkies with tails look out of place but that is my opioion and because this is a public forum I have the right to say that... :rolleyes: oh and I LOVE IT WHEN MY PUP WAGS HIS LITTLE NUB WHEN HE IS HAPPY TO SEE ME!! :aimeeyork

I've already said where I stand on ear & tail docking, but I did want to add some random stuff about circumcision:

- Adult men who have it done for various reasons say it is excrutiatingly painful, and I believe it probably is for baby boys as well.

- There have been various reasons for circumcision, some timely, some not. Cleanliness is one reason cited. It caught on in Europe way back when because it was thought to discourage masturbation. Doctors often recommend it in areas with high incidence of HIV, since circumcision reduces the risk of STIs.

- One of my friends is a nurse and she is HIGHLY in favor of it. Her reason? She's had to give eighty-year-old men sponge baths!

Much like tail docking, people have the right to chose on this one :). I circ'd my boys, and if I have more, will continue to. I am not ignorant on the subject, and if there is one thing that irritates me about this, is that those that think that they are so enlightened about it, believe that those of us that believe in it are ignorant about it. I firmly stand by a parent's right to chose circing for their son's. Not that this has anything to do with tail docking :rolleyes:

In your opinion :)

Circumcision is also done for religious reasons.

Both of my yorkies are docked. When I lost my mixed breed dachsund/s**tzu (sp?) mix after 17 years I thought long and hard about getting another dog. I CHOSE the yorkie breed. The reason I liked them was how they looked and their small size. The standard stated tails are docked. I wanted what I saw. One of my pups dock is tiny, the other a bit longer but in general, that little nub can tuck in fear and wag in excitement just the same. As far as the pain, reputable breeders that are good at what they do, handle the details of their breeding offspring in a manner, at least in this country, that meets the standard. With this comes AKC registration and continuance of the selective qualities of the breed. When done early AS INTENDED, it can be compared to cutting the umbilical cord on a human, most of the pups are more scared than reacting to pain, they are reacting to their surroundings being changed. As far as the mounds of videos out there, if you look hard enough you can find a video making anything look barbaric. With this, part of selecting your breeder is finding one that handles details such as this properly. The problem, and might I add, most of what you find in video, are people performing this task with less than adequate training. Yes, its a choice, but I wouldnt have it any other way.
If you do not want a docked pup you will need to find a breeder that is willing to work with you for your wishes. It is not a choice for me, my dogs are and all future ones will be. I choose to own a pure bred yorkie and will only consider yorkies that meet the standard. That doesnt make me barbaric or less humane than those who choose not to dock, it makes me an owner proud in what the breed has become and an owner willing to honor that standard.

WELCOME TO YT Koran!

:thumbup:Very well stated!!!:welcome4:to YT!!!

We circumsized our first boy, but it was such a bad experience for us that we didn't do it for our 2nd. Both my husband and I found the procedure to be quite harsh.

I'm also a professionally trained body piercer, and my 3.5 yr old daughters ears are not pierced. They won't be done for quite some time either!

To each his own, I guess! :)

:thumbup: very well said. :) i agree.
but, to each their own. :)

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I like it that way
 

My Daisy had a litter and one of the pups was so weak the vet wasn't expecting her to make it so he wouldn't dock her tail with the others. She is now 11 weeks old and needless to say the one we are keeping. She is ABSOLUTELY adorable with her tail. When others came to pick out puppies so many people were interested in Jelly. We were going to get her tail docked as an adult to be up to standards but I think we have decided against that.

:animal-pa:animal-paDaisy and Jelly's mom:animal-pa:animal-pa

I do remember a thread a while back about yorkie ear piercing and members here were disgusted by it...so whats the difference? :confused: I think that once the Top show yorkies in the USA are being shown with tail intact then it will become more widely accepted..the problem is that our american friends are just are not used to seeing the yorkie with a full tail so it looks 'odd' to them which I find incredibly sad:(..I'm very happy it is banned here in the UK..and Pixie's tail is just a delight to watch I love it! she has long hair on her tail that waves around like a pretty feather!:D..she is very confident for a 3lb'er and she carries it high in the air..it never stays still!:D

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Lol.. I owuld love to see some pictures of your girl with her tail held high! I wish keelys tail was full length!

I will have to get a video of it sometime! its soooo funny!:p

There is a huge difference. For one, tails are done when a pup is days old, not an adult. And wouldn't that be horrific if something happened and it got ripped out!? Yikes! :eek: A dog with an earring is not part of the standard....I'm sure if they added it though, you'd see it. :p If and when the standard is changed and the practice is banned, then the top show Yorkies would have a tail, but not until....kind of goes against the whole principal of a conformatione event....seeing which dog best conforms to the standard...
I would be willing to bet though, that banning the practice is not something likely to happen any time soon. That issue is mild in comparison to some of the other issues dogs face everyday.

I remember on the ear piercing thread posters were saying that they were sure that if their yorkie could talk that they would say they would prefer not to have their ears pierced..dont you think they would say that they would prefer to keep their tails? Just a thought...:)

I know this topic has been discussed on here no end of times..and it is a topic i'm very passionate about..these threads do tend to get heated sometimes..so I hope we can all keep this one at an adult level and be kind to each other and respectful of each others views on this subject ;):):thumbup:

I don't know. That would be a question to ask those who made that point, not me. I don't share that view. :)

Of course. :thumbup: We are all passionate about issues regarding these little doggies, otherwise we wouldn't be here. I find that those of you who live in Europe where it is banned are often the most passionate about it, which is fine until it comes to insulting "us" here where it is allowed. (NOT referring to you--you have not done that at all, but it happens frequently.) Maybe those who live where it has been banned for sometime have become so used to it that anything outside of what you've come to know as "the norm" just seems wrong. The same line of logic is the case for those of us who are not prohibited from making that choice. Just food for thought.

I think circumcising boys is the right thing to do. We had a real good friend that was in his 70's when he had to be circumsized, then it really hurts. This is why they do it when they're just a couple days old, my oldest son never cried when they circumsised him and personally, I think they look a lot better when its been done

I promised my Black Russian bitch "Trinity" (docked), that when she Ch.'s, she can get a 10 carat diamond earring put in her left ear (where the ear meets the skull).


Since it was brought up.........

I can only speak for myself but I certainly will only purchase a yorkie that is bred to AKC standard. That means tails docked.

I know lots of people don't care about breed standard, the op is purchasing a dog that isn't registered, which is fine. In that case you cannot expect the dog to be breed standard so I guess tail docking wouldn't apply. As a disclaimer, yes, I do know many dogs ARE registered and are nothing close to standard, and I do know the opposite can apply as well.

As far as docking goes, as long as it's AKC standard, it will be done, and should be.

I want to be yorkieK9trainers dog! 10 KT! LOL

LOL...10 carats? :eek: