tails?

[Keely_momma]

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

I do believe some "desinger" or "mixed" bred dogs can be registered through CKC, if the parents are registered, but I could be wrong.

No accually, you cant. If the parents are registered or not, it cannot be registered if it isnt pure bred. That is what breed standard is all about.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Keely_momma

No accually, you cant. If the parents are registered or not, it cannot be registered if it isnt pure bred. That is what breed standard is all about.

Well, actually, yes you can. If it is registered w/ C(ontinenal)KC. It isn't registered as a purebred, it's just given a certificate indicating that it is the offspring of 2 registered purebred parents. (You cannot in turn breed that dog though and have those offspring registered.) That is one of the reasons so many disapprove of CKC.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Koran

Biewers are pure bred yorkies with a gene difference. They are not mixes by any means. There is testing done to prove this because unscrupulous breeders do mix breed to attain that look. There sometimes called Party colored. But real Biewers have the piebald gene (dont ask me to explain it all but there are lots of resources if you google Biewer.) but were created from standard yorkies and there are no other dogs in the mix.

Again, that depends on who you ask. There are some Biewer advocates who have had new testing done on their dogs that prvoe there IS something else in the mix, and some who stand by the claims of the breed's originators that they decended from only standard Yorkies. The origins or genetic makeup of Biewers are not exactly universally agreed upon at this point.

[DogLovingOwner]

I wondered, if it hurt the pups to have their tails cut off. Then I watched video. It is so sad

[Koran]

I can understand that claim completely. I dont know enough about them to say any more than what I have been told. Since I dont show, that is all fine with me. I would not have purchased a Biewer as my personal preference is the standard yorkie but Roscoe is perfect and the breeder said that the last litter for Roscoes mommy was the one with Sparkle in it and because he was healthy and beautiful I took the leap. Now, with some of the reading i have done, the skin issues I have with Sparkle could be because of the Biewer line or could be that her mommy has at a later age developed allergies.

Who knows. I know if I am ever in a position to shop for another which wont be anytime soon I will use the breed standard as my guide. Its what I like.

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Well, actually, yes you can. If it is registered w/ C(ontinenal)KC. It isn't registered as a purebred, it's just given a certificate indicating that it is the offspring of 2 registered purebred parents. (You cannot in turn breed that dog though and have those offspring registered.) That is one of the reasons so many disapprove of CKC.

Thank you, I wasnt real sure but I had thought that I read somewhere that it was possible, thanks for explaining better.

[stpony12]

Ginger has a full tail!.I love her

[Chandy]

My Candy had a docked tail already when we bought her, But my Chuckie has a full lenth tail, it grows lots of hair on the end, so we call it "Chuckie's flag"!

-Candy and Chuckie's Mamma

[magicgenie]

I'm a breeder and I hate the practice of tail docking. It is now illegal in most civilized countries, so we're kind of lagging behind in the US. I tried to stop docking altogether but caved in under pressure regarding my show prospects. Today for the first time I had someone decline to come see some puppies I'm selling as pets because they have tails and dewclaws. I found it odd that someone looking for a pet would turn their nose up at attractively priced champion sired puppies with two world champion grand-sires. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Any of you who are concerned about the practice of tail docking, regarded in Europe as mutilation, should write the AKC and animal rights people in protest.

[SusieQ_61397]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I'm a breeder and I hate the practice of tail docking. It is now illegal in most civilized countries, so we're kind of lagging behind in the US. I tried to stop docking altogether but caved in under pressure regarding my show prospects. Today for the first time I had someone decline to come see some puppies I'm selling as pets because they have tails and dewclaws. I found it odd that someone looking for a pet would turn their nose up at attractively priced champion sired puppies with two world champion grand-sires. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Any of you who are concerned about the practice of tail docking, regarded in Europe as mutilation, should write the AKC and animal rights people in protest.

I totally agree with you magicgenie...that is so sad that those people wouldn't even look at your puppies b/c they still had their tails in tact. I kind of wish my Jack had his tail, but of course he was already docked when I bought him. This one time, I was at the vet and this lady was picking up her Great Dane...I was appalled b/c she had had her ears docked. I felt so sorry for that dog. It looked so painful and she was still bleeding. And to this day, I still don't know why people have their dogs ears docked. I think it looks ugly. Any way, there is my two cents worth.

[kezza]

I read on Wikipedia (dog tail docking) that in the USA some states, including New York and Vermont have considered bills to make the practice illegal.

[Keely_momma]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I'm a breeder and I hate the practice of tail docking. It is now illegal in most civilized countries, so we're kind of lagging behind in the US. I tried to stop docking altogether but caved in under pressure regarding my show prospects. Today for the first time I had someone decline to come see some puppies I'm selling as pets because they have tails and dewclaws. I found it odd that someone looking for a pet would turn their nose up at attractively priced champion sired puppies with two world champion grand-sires. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Any of you who are concerned about the practice of tail docking, regarded in Europe as mutilation, should write the AKC and animal rights people in protest.

That may be a good thing though. These are the people that dont take having a dog seriously, so by not docking tails, you could very well be filtering out all of the more irresponsible pet owners.

[107barney]

I was the person who declined to view the puppies with the long tails. I felt compelled to reply just to say that I never turned my nose up at the puppies with long tails. I simply declined to view them because I am looking for a puppy with a docked tail. I was upfront and honest with Susan, thanked her for her time, complimented her on the beauty of her dogs, but said that we would not buy a yorkie with a long tail. I could have been discourteous and ceased any communications but I felt that I should tell her that a prospective buyer was no longer interested. I guess being upfront means that I am a snob. This from the breeder who told me that owning my own home was important and that she continues to dock the tails of her elite show hopefuls.

As for concerns that I am an irresponsible pet owner because I have a preference for a docked tail, that is ridiculous. Susan and I corresponded enough for her to know that I not only have experience with yorkies being the proud owner of two 8 year old yorkies -- one with serious health concerns -- but that I also have the resources necessary to provide them and another puppy with a GREAT home (yes, that I own), top notch care, and most importantly the love and commitment to them that they deserve.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I was the person who declined to view the puppies with the long tails. I felt compelled to reply just to say that I never turned my nose up at the puppies with long tails. I simply declined to view them because I am looking for a puppy with a docked tail. I was upfront and honest with Susan, thanked her for her time, complimented her on the beauty of her dogs, but said that we would not buy a yorkie with a long tail. I could have been discourteous and ceased any communications but I felt that I should tell her that a prospective buyer was no longer interested. I guess being upfront means that I am a snob. This from the breeder who told me that owning my own home was important and that she continues to dock the tails of her elite show hopefuls.

As for concerns that I am an irresponsible pet owner because I have a preference for a docked tail, that is ridiculous. Susan and I corresponded enough for her to know that I not only have experience with yorkies being the proud owner of two 8 year old yorkies -- one with serious health concerns -- but that I also have the resources necessary to provide them and another puppy with a GREAT home (yes, that I own), top notch care, and most importantly the love and commitment to them that they deserve.

I see you are still a relatively new member. Welcome to YT! It doesn't make you a snob. Many people are looking for Yorkies that adhere to the standard and currently that includes a docked tail. (And thus many breeders continue to dock to adhere to the standard.) Please don't think you are the only one that feels that way...you are not. There are many people who share your point of view on that.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I'm a breeder and I hate the practice of tail docking. It is now illegal in most civilized countries, so we're kind of lagging behind in the US. I tried to stop docking altogether but caved in under pressure regarding my show prospects. Today for the first time I had someone decline to come see some puppies I'm selling as pets because they have tails and dewclaws. I found it odd that someone looking for a pet would turn their nose up at attractively priced champion sired puppies with two world champion grand-sires. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Any of you who are concerned about the practice of tail docking, regarded in Europe as mutilation, should write the AKC and animal rights people in protest.

Are you saying the the United States of America is uncivilized? That just pisses me off.