designer pups...???

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by cesar49

it sounds like you are a breeder, and you know what it costs to raise healthy well balanced pets and puppy litters. the time and expense.. it does cost money and giving them away for a few hundred dollars is giving away free dogs, like rescue dogs.. anyone can get a rescue dog.. and they should.. if you dont like the price, then there are lots of other puppies.. but sounds like some people are paying a thousand for a yorkipoo.
maybe just from petstores and online sellers.. i dont know..

I said CESAR 49..............I would not pay that much for one. Me, Me, my money and I can do what I want with it. This does not make me a breeder, this makes me, ME.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Um.....I respect what you are saying and see no problem with it. But this yorkie I am getting, was also sold for a fair amount, he was returned back to his breeder, covered in fleas, ticks, matted short hair, tapeworms and hookworms and underweigh. So sometimes it does not matter what the price is, some people are not meant to be dog owners. I know plenty of people that can not afford to buy a high price dog no matter what, so they do choose to buy cheaper........and they love and treat their babies better then they treat their husbands. So sometimes looking at it from that end, does not always work.

I completely agree. The amount of money that someone is willing & able to put down on a dog does not neccessarily determine what "kind" of owner they will be. To assume someone is going to take better care of a dog just because they paid a high price for it is just silly, IMO.

Point in case: Miss Hilton--I'm sure she payed a pretty penny for everyone of the dogs she bought...half of which were just rehomed.

[durtymydawg]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

Yes, I can block the rest of her e-mails. Here is something that I wrote - I'm going to add it to my web site - to help people understand why I raise the Morkies (hybrid puppies). This will not apply to everyone - but it is my reason.

Why do you breed “designer puppies” or “hybrid puppies” instead of just breeding the purebred puppies? About 5 years ago, I started receiving request for “Morkie” puppies. At that time I was only breeding the purebred puppies and I saw no reason to breed any puppy unless it was a purebred. After several years of receiving request for breeding “Morkie puppies”, I decided to breed one litter – but there were several things I decided would have to happen for me to do this: 1) I would have to be able to charge at least close or the same price as I charge for my purebred puppies. It would be silly of me to breed Morkies, using my quality AKC purebred dogs (I don’t keep back any substandard AKC dogs for breeding any puppies), having the same cost for quality feed, vet care, shots, etc. and charge much less – why would I breed hybrid dogs if that were the case. And 2.) I would want to have “quality” Morkies, that are the best I can have in looks, health, and temperament. With this in mind, I had my first Morkie puppies. They were BEAUTIFUL. They sold for $600 to $700 each and went to great families – all having deposits on them by the time they were a month old. After this first litter, I again started getting request to raise more Morkies, so I had a 2nd litter. Again, all went well – and the 2nd litter found fabulous homes – averaging $600 to $800 each. This was around 3 years ago. Since them I have had many people who love the small breed dog – and after doing much research, they have decided that the Morkie is for them. So I have continued to do my best to better my breeding program for my Morkies like I have done for my purebred Yorkies. I sell then both in the general same price range as I feel that very often people will treasure more that which they spend more on. Also it is easier for some people to make a quick decision to buy a $200 or $300 puppy that turns out to be a mistake for that person or family – but if they are paying $600 to $1000 for a puppy, it cannot normally be as quick a decision due to the price. They have to REALLY WANT one of these puppies. Why do I raise Morkies? They are great little dogs that have made many families very happy. Morkies are what these families WANT. So I desire to have the best little Morkies I can possibly have that have all the benefits that I give my purebred puppies. Not everyone agrees with breeding hybrid dogs – that’s fine. But for those families that would like to have a “Morkie” or “Mal-shi” or “Shorkie” ect, they should have the right to decide what is right for their family and to have the ability to get the best Morkie possible.

As Cesar49 said - with the economics the way it is today - the puppy prices have gone way down in all puppies.

My vet and I discussed this and we feel that it is better to allow more of the parent dogs to go to pet only homes and actually breed less puppies - but try to only have those puppies that the price can be enough to provide for the feed, care, etc of the dogs - rather then to try to have more puppies that would requires more money for the care of the dogs and the puppies. If the demand is not as high for certain puppies, we should not be breeding for those puppies. There are plenty of people breeding purebred Yorkies - last count - I just checked - there are 933 Yorkies advertised on Next Day Pets and 150 Morkies. 933 is actually the lowest I've seen in a long time. There are too many Yorkies available and too few homes that can afford them right now. But in my case anyway, the Morkie demand has been higher, so that is where I am trying to "specialize" right now.

I respect those that would not pay this much for any "hybrid" puppy. In the home I was raised in the most we ever even paid for a purebred was $100 My dad would have had a fit if we wanted a more expensive dog!

Awesome...and agree totally.

[durtymydawg]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i love judge judy

lol...hahahaha

[durtymydawg]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

So basically then, your reason for breeding them is to supply the current demand...

what does this mean?

And, if so thats her decision. Whats the difference if shes breeding to make the breed better...or if shes breeding because someone wants an offspring from her dogs whether it is a purebred or not. I think sometimes we use the excuse of MAKING THE BREED BETTER to justify raising the litter, afterall we all have differences of opinions of what better is....

[ButterflyKisses]

Bamafan,
If you noticed, I said I had people asking for 2 years for me to breed Morkies. So no, I didn't and don't do it JUST for the demand. I did it once as several of those requesting puppies gave me reasons as to why they would make such great little dogs. Those reasons have panned out to be true. Then I started doing some very "selective" breeding to see how I could have even better Morkies after my 2nd litter also turned out so great! When I have e-mails come from my puppy families, which I do quite often, most of the e-mails from my Yorkie families go something like this: "We love our little (girl or boy) and are so glad we have him, but do you have any other suggestions for house breaking" or .... we are still working on the house breaking and we are making a little progress". Where as almost all the families that have e-mailed me about their Morkie puppies have said things like: "We love out little (girl or boy) and are so happy with him - Did you already house break him - we are not having any accidents in the house (or) we have had very few accidents in the house and they have been because I was not paying attention" etc.

It is sure not that a Yorkie is not smart enough to house break - there is just a "stubbornness" in their nature which is part of what we Yorkie lovers love so much about them. Butterfly (my little purebred Yorkie companion) is the prime example. She's my baby and will always be my baby no matter what - but housebroke no.

As far as not having to spend a lot of money to love your dog . That's not what I was saying. I was saying and I have seen this - that is it easier for someone to make a rash decision to buy a puppy when they are not so expensive, then decide that was a mistake for their family and the puppy ends up going to the humane society if they cannot find a different home for him or her. With the higher prices it is normally (at least for these of us not as rich as Hilton in money) not going to be a rash decision. I don't try to convince anyone to buy a puppy from me. In fact I have told potential puppy buyers that if they are not REALLY sure that they want the puppy, please do not buy until they are sure. Also please don't buy from me unless you feel very good about that! Many of my "newer" puppy families buy from me because they have other family members who have bought puppies from me earlier - purebred or designer babies.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

what does this mean?

And, if so thats her decision. Whats the difference if shes breeding to make the breed better...or if shes breeding because someone wants an offspring from her dogs whether it is a purebred or not. I think sometimes we use the excuse of MAKING THE BREED BETTER to justify raising the litter, afterall we all have differences of opinions of what better is....

Bettering has to do with getting the line closer to the correct conformation which has been set forth in the breed's standard. The standard may be somewhat open to interpretation but it isn't an opinion by an individual breeder. You can breed with a purpose and a plan for the future or you can breed for the public's whims, just be honest about what your reasons are!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

what does this mean?

LOL...how many different ways could it be interpreted? (rhetorical question)

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

And, if so thats her decision.

Obviously...

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

Whats the difference if shes breeding to make the breed better...or if shes breeding because someone wants an offspring from her dogs whether it is a purebred or not. I think sometimes we use the excuse of MAKING THE BREED BETTER to justify raising the litter, afterall we all have differences of opinions of what better is...

Depends--what's the difference mean to you? That is where that 'difference of opinions' you mentioned comes in to play. Making the breed better--never heard that one before...I think, "trying to match the 'ideal' within a breed as closely as possible" would better describe what many strive for, but that's a bit of a mouthful, isn't it?

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

Bamafan,
If you noticed, I said I had people asking for 2 years for me to breed Morkies. So no, I didn't and don't do it JUST for the demand. I did it once as several of those requesting puppies gave me reasons as to why they would make such great little dogs. Those reasons have panned out to be true. Then I started doing some very "selective" breeding to see how I could have even better Morkies after my 2nd litter also turned out so great! When I have e-mails come from my puppy families, which I do quite often, most of the e-mails from my Yorkie families go something like this: "We love our little (girl or boy) and are so glad we have him, but do you have any other suggestions for house breaking" or .... we are still working on the house breaking and we are making a little progress". Where as almost all the families that have e-mailed me about their Morkie puppies have said things like: "We love out little (girl or boy) and are so happy with him - Did you already house break him - we are not having any accidents in the house (or) we have had very few accidents in the house and they have been because I was not paying attention" etc.

It is sure not that a Yorkie is not smart enough to house break - there is just a "stubbornness" in their nature which is part of what we Yorkie lovers love so much about them. Butterfly (my little purebred Yorkie companion) is the prime example. She's my baby and will always be my baby no matter what - but housebroke no.

As far as not having to spend a lot of money to love your dog . That's not what I was saying. I was saying and I have seen this - that is it easier for someone to make a rash decision to buy a puppy when they are not so expensive, then decide that was a mistake for their family and the puppy ends up going to the humane society if they cannot find a different home for him or her. With the higher prices it is normally (at least for these of us not as rich as Hilton in money) not going to be a rash decision. I don't try to convince anyone to buy a puppy from me. In fact I have told potential puppy buyers that if they are not REALLY sure that they want the puppy, please do not buy until they are sure. Also please don't buy from me unless you feel very good about that! Many of my "newer" puppy families buy from me because they have other family members who have bought puppies from me earlier - purebred or designer babies.

Understand, point well taken. I have no idea what a morkie is, never researched them. I never really paid any attention to the "designer breds", so do you have pictures I can see of your morkies? Are they white, black/gold or blue/gold. Basically what colour base do they have. Can you have a solid white out of the litter that even looks like the parent. PLease do not get offended by this I am just curious, I am not downgrading what you do. I have to say you do speak like you know what you are doing and that is why I ask you.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

LOL...how many different ways could it be interpreted? (rhetorical question)



Obviously...



Depends--what's the difference mean to you? That is where that 'difference of opinions' you mentioned comes in to play. Making the breed better--never heard that one before...I think, "trying to match the 'ideal' within a breed as closely as possible" would better describe what many strive for, but that's a bit of a mouthful, isn't it?

Ouch.........

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

If you noticed, I said I had people asking for 2 years for me to breed Morkies. So no, I didn't and don't do it JUST for the demand. I did it once as several of those requesting puppies gave me reasons as to why they would make such great little dogs.

So, you stated that you started breeding them BECAUSE you were receiving requests... Maybe your reasons, whatever they may be, have evolved since, but you stated yourself you started breeding them because people were asking you to. That IS doing something to meet the current demand, any which way you want to word it.

As far as not having to spend a lot of money to love your dog. That's not what I was saying. it easier for someone to make a rash decision to buy a puppy when they are not so expensive[/QUOTE]

I was actually responding more to the comments of another poster, just to clarify. As far as the price of a puppy detering what people will buy without serious consideration...I don't really find that statment to hold true. Maybe with some people, maybe with those you've delt with, but you would be surprised how many people really don't think twice about the $$$ they drop on a dog. And it is not limited to people as rich as Paris Hilton.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Ouch.........

LOL, nah, it's nothing painful, just and explanation, and I was agreeing on the point that what one person chooses to do is their decision. We just don't all have to agree on it.
I think Tammi was typing basically the same thoughts at the same time as me....I think she explained the 'difference of opinion' regarding 'betterment of the breed' nicely.

[ButterflyKisses]

Is there a way to put pictures on a "post"? I will change Butterfly's picture to one of my favorite Morkie's, Oliver. No - I've never had a white Morkie. Tri color is what I strive for - Black, cream, and white. I so sometime have black with white on the head and/or chest, and sometime I have brown babies that look like they have "highlights". You can get several different looks within one litter - and I've found that certain mom's put out certain looks. So my little Maltese mom that had mainly black Morkie babies - not what I aimed for - will not have any more Morkie puppies, while a different little Maltese mom has exactly the color I am looking for the two times she had Morkie babies. I have found that over all - the babies are more what I want when the mom is a Maltese and the dad is the Yorkie. I am not trying to "better a breed" as a Morkie is not a "breed" but a hybrid. I am trying to always "better" my own individual breeding program though.

I love honest questions, so I will NEVER take offense at a question.

I've got a lot to do today - so have to head out and get "doing". Have a great day ladies! Talk to you later

[ButterflyKisses]

Just wanted to show you one of the Morkies, Oliver, before I go - I put him on my aviator so you could see him. His family raves and raves about him. They (as have other Morkie families) say he has the most unbelievably beautiful hair coat. Sometime when I have time, I'll try to get some other "Morkie" pictures on my photo album. I always ask people to keep me updated on the puppies that they buy from me - and some do, while many don't. But I have had many of my Morkie families do a good job keeping me up to date. TTFN

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think this is a matter of opinion. You can't judge what a dog is "worth." But there is a difference between "worth" and "justification of costs." I personally think each of my dogs is worth a million dollars (don't we all?) but could you really justify paying that much for one?
It's really a tricky play on words--to respond and say a "YorkiePoo" is not "worth" that much would be wrong--it would be saying that the dog is lesser for being what it is, and then you'd have someone who owns one coming back on the defensive because "you said their dog wasn't 'worth' what the next one is, etc etc."
But, IMO, there is no "justification" for a cross bred dog of ANY sort to be sold for that high dollar amount with a cute little name attached to it.

i can agree to disagree..