designer pups...???

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

$1200 is a fair price for the yorkiepoo.. a healthy yorkipoo IS worth a thousand dollars..

I think this is a matter of opinion. You can't judge what a dog is "worth." But there is a difference between "worth" and "justification of costs." I personally think each of my dogs is worth a million dollars (don't we all?) but could you really justify paying that much for one?
It's really a tricky play on words--to respond and say a "YorkiePoo" is not "worth" that much would be wrong--it would be saying that the dog is lesser for being what it is, and then you'd have someone who owns one coming back on the defensive because "you said their dog wasn't 'worth' what the next one is, etc etc."
But, IMO, there is no "justification" for a cross bred dog of ANY sort to be sold for that high dollar amount with a cute little name attached to it.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I'm just curious as to how the dog having 'poodle blood' made a difference regaring your allergies to dogs...?

Me too......my mom had a poodle & something and I have allergies, and I was constantly popping pills when I was there for a week. But I pop pills everyday for my allergies, dogs, cats, grass, foods, etc so I guess it could work for you if you have only one problem.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

I'm pretty sure it's a YT member. But sad to say you get people like this in every area of life. So it did not really surprise me. I know that when I sometimes post something, I am opening myself up to someone who wants to do something like sending this e-mail. But from being on YT for the short time I have been a member, I know this is not the way most YT members decide to let their feelings be known. There are many many YT posters who express their disagreement with consideration and respect. Thank you to those YT members

"sucks" works in this case

Why not post the entire e-mail with her/his name also. That would stop this type of crap. I would and so be it if their friends got mad, everyone has a right to state what they want, but I feel it should be done on the board and not by sending personal e-mails.

[jennylee333]

I think this is getting way out of hand. For some one to send you a personal email I DO understand being passionate about your beliefs is one thing. Speak your mind on the forum BUT to send a personal email is more like an attack to me.

I agree BLOCK THEM and DO NOT OPEN anymore.

Debate is good. Anger and Hate is another......

[jennylee333]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Why not post the entire e-mail with her/his name also. That would stop this type of crap. I would and so be it if their friends got mad, everyone has a right to state what they want, but I feel it should be done on the board and not by sending personal e-mails.

Personal email is too much....if they feel that strongly let it be known by EVERYONE.

I stopped reading this thread a long time ago. I do glance at the notifications when they come to my email. I am not up for all the drama. I joined for the great information.

It seems like the GREAT info has taken back seat to the drama. The really informative threads have died down and the drama has picked up.

[jennylee333]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think this is a matter of opinion. You can't judge what a dog is "worth." But there is a difference between "worth" and "justification of costs." I personally think each of my dogs is worth a million dollars (don't we all?) but could you really justify paying that much for one?
It's really a tricky play on words--to respond and say a "YorkiePoo" is not "worth" that much would be wrong--it would be saying that the dog is lesser for being what it is, and then you'd have someone who owns one coming back on the defensive because "you said their dog wasn't 'worth' what the next one is, etc etc."
But, IMO, there is no "justification" for a cross bred dog of ANY sort to be sold for that high dollar amount with a cute little name attached to it.

[ButterflyKisses]

Yes, I can block the rest of her e-mails. Here is something that I wrote - I'm going to add it to my web site - to help people understand why I raise the Morkies (hybrid puppies). This will not apply to everyone - but it is my reason.

Why do you breed “designer puppies” or “hybrid puppies” instead of just breeding the purebred puppies? About 5 years ago, I started receiving request for “Morkie” puppies. At that time I was only breeding the purebred puppies and I saw no reason to breed any puppy unless it was a purebred. After several years of receiving request for breeding “Morkie puppies”, I decided to breed one litter – but there were several things I decided would have to happen for me to do this: 1) I would have to be able to charge at least close or the same price as I charge for my purebred puppies. It would be silly of me to breed Morkies, using my quality AKC purebred dogs (I don’t keep back any substandard AKC dogs for breeding any puppies), having the same cost for quality feed, vet care, shots, etc. and charge much less – why would I breed hybrid dogs if that were the case. And 2.) I would want to have “quality” Morkies, that are the best I can have in looks, health, and temperament. With this in mind, I had my first Morkie puppies. They were BEAUTIFUL. They sold for $600 to $700 each and went to great families – all having deposits on them by the time they were a month old. After this first litter, I again started getting request to raise more Morkies, so I had a 2nd litter. Again, all went well – and the 2nd litter found fabulous homes – averaging $600 to $800 each. This was around 3 years ago. Since them I have had many people who love the small breed dog – and after doing much research, they have decided that the Morkie is for them. So I have continued to do my best to better my breeding program for my Morkies like I have done for my purebred Yorkies. I sell then both in the general same price range as I feel that very often people will treasure more that which they spend more on. Also it is easier for some people to make a quick decision to buy a $200 or $300 puppy that turns out to be a mistake for that person or family – but if they are paying $600 to $1000 for a puppy, it cannot normally be as quick a decision due to the price. They have to REALLY WANT one of these puppies. Why do I raise Morkies? They are great little dogs that have made many families very happy. Morkies are what these families WANT. So I desire to have the best little Morkies I can possibly have that have all the benefits that I give my purebred puppies. Not everyone agrees with breeding hybrid dogs – that’s fine. But for those families that would like to have a “Morkie” or “Mal-shi” or “Shorkie” ect, they should have the right to decide what is right for their family and to have the ability to get the best Morkie possible.

As Cesar49 said - with the economics the way it is today - the puppy prices have gone way down in all puppies.

My vet and I discussed this and we feel that it is better to allow more of the parent dogs to go to pet only homes and actually breed less puppies - but try to only have those puppies that the price can be enough to provide for the feed, care, etc of the dogs - rather then to try to have more puppies that would requires more money for the care of the dogs and the puppies. If the demand is not as high for certain puppies, we should not be breeding for those puppies. There are plenty of people breeding purebred Yorkies - last count - I just checked - there are 933 Yorkies advertised on Next Day Pets and 150 Morkies. 933 is actually the lowest I've seen in a long time. There are too many Yorkies available and too few homes that can afford them right now. But in my case anyway, the Morkie demand has been higher, so that is where I am trying to "specialize" right now.

I respect those that would not pay this much for any "hybrid" puppy. In the home I was raised in the most we ever even paid for a purebred was $100 My dad would have had a fit if we wanted a more expensive dog!

[bchgirl]

Just an fyi ~ you can set your preferences here to not accept emails from other members.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by jennylee333

Personal email is too much....if they feel that strongly let it be known by EVERYONE.

I stopped reading this thread a long time ago. I do glance at the notifications when they come to my email. I am not up for all the drama. I joined for the great information.

It seems like the GREAT info has taken back seat to the drama. The really informative threads have died down and the drama has picked up.

Yeap, this board is great for the information. We just need to agree to disagree and let it go. Just because I refuse to pay a certain amount for a "designer breed", doesn't mean that everyone needs to. It's what I would and wouldn't do.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

started receiving request for “Morkie” puppies. I again started getting request to raise more Morkies, so I had a 2nd litter. I sell then both in the general same price range as I feel that very often people will treasure more that which they spend more on. Morkies are what these families WANT.

So basically then, your reason for breeding them is to supply the current demand...

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Okay like I stated I am not for or against "designer dogs". But I really believe that paying $1200 or at least $650 for one is nuts. I would never pay that amount for any puppy that is not purebred. The highest I would be willing to go on a yorkie or any other purebred is $1000 since its would only be a pet. You know some of the stuff you post it really makes me want to choose sides and I would hate to take a stand on something like this since I think yorkieneses are beautiful. This breeder that does this only sale her's for $350 and that is a great price for a good pet. Of course I am not going that route, but if I did that would be the highest I would pay.

it sounds like you are a breeder, and you know what it costs to raise healthy well balanced pets and puppy litters. the time and expense.. it does cost money and giving them away for a few hundred dollars is giving away free dogs, like rescue dogs.. anyone can get a rescue dog.. and they should.. if you dont like the price, then there are lots of other puppies.. but sounds like some people are paying a thousand for a yorkipoo.
maybe just from petstores and online sellers.. i dont know..

[durtymydawg]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

I received this e-mail this morning. Since this thread is on "designer dogs" I thought some of you might find this interesting:

Hello "Breeder" LOL!
I despise those who breed purebred and create mutts and then have the gall to sell them!!!! Then, I despise those who buy these mutts, which is supporting those creeps to just breed MORE mutts! Peek-a-poo, cock-a-poo, puggles, ect, are NOT purebred and others like this, are just mutts! There are MILLIONS of mutts, give a TRUE homeless mutt a home! Do not support these creeps!
I despise puppy-kitten mills and this, with all of my heart.
There REALLY ought to be a law against so called creeps that claim to be "breeders", from doing this. They are disgusting.
JMO..............

This person seems to despise (hate?) those of us that breed for the Yorkie mix puppies and also she despises (hates?) those who decide that a certain "hybrid" puppy is right for their family. I would be interested to hear how you feel here in this link concerning this e-mail. I agree with hating the way some people raise puppies - but I will not hate the person - bitterness in the heart towards other people only ends up poisoning the spirit and the health of the person who does the hating. I personally think it is very sad. I am not angry at this person, but instead I always feel sorry for someone with this type of hatred in their hearts.

Well put...good for you for expressing your thoughts. I agree. What someone decides to do is their decisions, not anyone's else....there are the bitters,bashers and the name callers....it also goes back to...judge not least ye be judge also...

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by ButterflyKisses

Yes, I can block the rest of her e-mails. Here is something that I wrote - I'm going to add it to my web site - to help people understand why I raise the Morkies (hybrid puppies). This will not apply to everyone - but it is my reason.

Why do you breed “designer puppies” or “hybrid puppies” instead of just breeding the purebred puppies? About 5 years ago, I started receiving request for “Morkie” puppies. At that time I was only breeding the purebred puppies and I saw no reason to breed any puppy unless it was a purebred. After several years of receiving request for breeding “Morkie puppies”, I decided to breed one litter – but there were several things I decided would have to happen for me to do this: 1) I would have to be able to charge at least close or the same price as I charge for my purebred puppies. It would be silly of me to breed Morkies, using my quality AKC purebred dogs (I don’t keep back any substandard AKC dogs for breeding any puppies), having the same cost for quality feed, vet care, shots, etc. and charge much less – why would I breed hybrid dogs if that were the case. And 2.) I would want to have “quality” Morkies, that are the best I can have in looks, health, and temperament. With this in mind, I had my first Morkie puppies. They were BEAUTIFUL. They sold for $600 to $700 each and went to great families – all having deposits on them by the time they were a month old. After this first litter, I again started getting request to raise more Morkies, so I had a 2nd litter. Again, all went well – and the 2nd litter found fabulous homes – averaging $600 to $800 each. This was around 3 years ago. Since them I have had many people who love the small breed dog – and after doing much research, they have decided that the Morkie is for them. So I have continued to do my best to better my breeding program for my Morkies like I have done for my purebred Yorkies. I sell then both in the general same price range as I feel that very often people will treasure more that which they spend more on. Also it is easier for some people to make a quick decision to buy a $200 or $300 puppy that turns out to be a mistake for that person or family – but if they are paying $600 to $1000 for a puppy, it cannot normally be as quick a decision due to the price. They have to REALLY WANT one of these puppies. Why do I raise Morkies? They are great little dogs that have made many families very happy. Morkies are what these families WANT. So I desire to have the best little Morkies I can possibly have that have all the benefits that I give my purebred puppies. Not everyone agrees with breeding hybrid dogs – that’s fine. But for those families that would like to have a “Morkie” or “Mal-shi” or “Shorkie” ect, they should have the right to decide what is right for their family and to have the ability to get the best Morkie possible.

As Cesar49 said - with the economics the way it is today - the puppy prices have gone way down in all puppies.

My vet and I discussed this and we feel that it is better to allow more of the parent dogs to go to pet only homes and actually breed less puppies - but try to only have those puppies that the price can be enough to provide for the feed, care, etc of the dogs - rather then to try to have more puppies that would requires more money for the care of the dogs and the puppies. If the demand is not as high for certain puppies, we should not be breeding for those puppies. There are plenty of people breeding purebred Yorkies - last count - I just checked - there are 933 Yorkies advertised on Next Day Pets and 150 Morkies. 933 is actually the lowest I've seen in a long time. There are too many Yorkies available and too few homes that can afford them right now. But in my case anyway, the Morkie demand has been higher, so that is where I am trying to "specialize" right now.

I respect those that would not pay this much for any "hybrid" puppy. In the home I was raised in the most we ever even paid for a purebred was $100 My dad would have had a fit if we wanted a more expensive dog!

Um.....I respect what you are saying and see no problem with it. But this yorkie I am getting, was also sold for a fair amount, he was returned back to his breeder, covered in fleas, ticks, matted short hair, tapeworms and hookworms and underweigh. So sometimes it does not matter what the price is, some people are not meant to be dog owners. I know plenty of people that can not afford to buy a high price dog no matter what, so they do choose to buy cheaper........and they love and treat their babies better then they treat their husbands. So sometimes looking at it from that end, does not always work.

[cesar49]

Have you seen a "rat" in NY or London? I wouldn't want to put my little 6 lb girl, Butterfly, up against one! When they were really "ratters", they were more in the 15 to 25 lb range. But breeding them smaller and smaller seems to be what people are trying to do. It really sets me off when I get someone wanting to buy one of my little girls that are only going to be 3 to 4 lbs as a breeder! NO NO NO. My mom dogs are at least 6 lbs or I have them spayed and let them to to pet only families. Two different times, with two different females, I tried to breed 5 lb Yorkies only to have early c-sections with the loss of the puppies because the mom had too many puppies in her and couldn't carry to term. Not any more! If I want the smaller size, my little 3 to 4 lb males will have to take care of that part. I want my mom's to deliver naturally and easily.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

Well put...good for you for expressing your thoughts. I agree. What someone decides to do is their decisions, not anyone's else....there are the bitters,bashers and the name callers....it also goes back to...judge not least ye be judge also...

i love judge judy