designer pups...???

[mistyblue]

Ok, I just have to say this, with no malice intended. We get upset when people advertise or "market" their Yorkies as teacups, miniatures, toy, etc. But we seem to condone "designer" dog breeding. There is no such thing as a Designer Dog! They are Mutts! We love them, they are adorable and they deserve to be loved and cared for as well as any other living thing. That being said, I truly beleive that in breeding Mutts, we are just adding to the over population problem out there. At the rate things are going there won't be any True breeds left out there

JMHO

[avasmama75]

Originally Posted by The_Lucky_Charm

Okay, but it takes YEARS and YEARS, and a TON of dedication to create an actual new breed. Most, if not all (at *least* 95%) of these greeders are making these dogs for money, and nothing else. No regards to temperament, health, and absolutely not quality (no one wastes their high quality purebred on making a mutt litter).

Are you going to tell me that people that just don't care or don't want to learn about truth if "designer" dogs, the ones dying in shelters due to a backyard breeders/puppy mill's greed, the ones that are fad that are going to die out, shouldn't be ashamed? Those who regret it now, those are fine. Those who just don't care shouldn't have a dog in the first place.

I think people who say that a dog "isnt small enough" shouldnt own a dog either. I got my mixed breed dogs from a great breeder and i didnt get them because it was/is a fad i got them because they are wonderful, great tempered pets. I wouldnt ever go back. However i would make sure that the breeder is reputable and do a background check.

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by mistyblue

Ok, I just have to say this, with no malice intended. We get upset when people advertise or "market" their Yorkies as teacups, miniatures, toy, etc. But we seem to condone "designer" dog breeding. There is no such thing as a Designer Dog! They are Mutts! We love them, they are adorable and they deserve to be loved and cared for as well as any other living thing. That being said, I truly beleive that in breeding Mutts, we are just adding to the over population problem out there. At the rate things are going there won't be any True breeds left out there

JMHO

Well this just will never happen.
People who want a Yorkie , will still seek a Yorkie

I dont like the "designer dog" label anymore then most.
But Morkies are not mutts. They are hybrid crosses.
And as I tell people seeking one. Mine are second generation Morkies.
Some people dont like the crosses and thats fine.
I prefer them.
Morkies are not as high strung as a Yorkie and train much easier.
They're just great little dogs

I do have 2 Yorkies also.
And I sure do love my Allie (in my avatar) and Sammy

[durtymydawg]

Originally Posted by cesar49

how much does she weigh?
chances with who?

Well, I don't think her weight had anything to do with her delivery. After all do woman have c-sections just because they are tiny or overweight? She passed her first pup even breech with no problems, it was just that she quit laboring and I'm not sure as to why, it may be because she was nervous or had to much attention drawn to her....I'm not sure. Everyone has there theory on neutering there female after a c-section, in my opinion if that was the case then I simply wouldn't breed her again. I would look for another female.

She weighed 3.25lbs but has the body of a 4 to 4.5lb female, she has a longer cavity for carrying pups and since her delivery actually she has filled out over her loin and hips and now has put on that extra 1 or so. She needed to mature and has done so quite well.

The fact that I also did breed her to a small male who produces smaller pups, he's typicall was 3.5lbs but weighs in at about 4.25lbs. Weight and size of the body go hand and hand, I'm not saying you breed a 8lb'er to a 3lb female but you have to be proportionate in body comparisons.

My male is shorter in height and length and is perfect for her being she is a bit taller and longer than him. I will breed them again, but not for awhile being I didn't intend to breed that often to begin with. They made beautiful babies and I'm sure the gal that bought them both is going to greatly enjoy these beautiful little girls....maybe I can post pics of them.

[durtymydawg]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

There are more factors than soley weight that can result in a c-sections.

Any time any female is ever bred...you are taking a chance on her health or well being and/or the resulting puppy or puppies.

I couldn't agree anymore!!!

[DukesMommy]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

After all do woman have c-sections just because they are tiny or overweight?

Actually, a doctor will have a woman have a c-section if the baby is too big to be delivered naturally, if the baby is small they may do a c-section if the baby is in distress and needs to come out asap.

Though many other things can cause someone to need a c-section..

[Nabeel]

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[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by DukesMommy

Actually, a doctor will have a woman have a c-section if the baby is too big to be delivered naturally, if the baby is small they may do a c-section if the baby is in distress and needs to come out asap.

Though many other things can cause someone to need a c-section..

Actually I know a woman that is "tiny", and she had all 3 of her kids by c-section because of the doctor. They were also normal size babies, 6-6.9 lbs each. You would think by the third one it would hurt in the area where they cut. But she seems to think the pain is the same for each. As of now she is trying for her 4th one. I don't see anything wrong with a dog having a c-section. To me it seems safe compared to getting stuck or what do you call it when they come feet first, breech.

[BamaFan121s]

How are a woman's needs for a c-setion and a dog's need for one even relevant to one another? LOL The two are not even comparable.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

How are a woman's needs for a c-setion and a dog's need for one even relevant to one another? LOL The two are not even comparable.

making excuses for repeat breedings after a csection
lots of reasons to try again..
but in my opinion it is wrong.
dogs give birth the same way women do..
so that is a comparable point
uterus, placenta, birth canal...
the anatomy is similar
the need for a csection is a sign that she should not be bred..
why is it ok to breed a female under 5lbs? all of a sudden.?
it has been repeated over and over by reputable caring, experienced
breeders on yt.... do not breed a female under 5 lbs..

but the greeders want tcups
and they are willing to take the chance
putting their beloved pets life on the line.
is it a pet or a commodity to be used to make money
free whelping or spay your female
by the way..dirty dog.. males get neutered and females get spayed

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

dogs give birth the same way women do..
so that is a comparable point
uterus, placenta, birth canal...
the anatomy is similar

The only comparable point is that dogs and women both give birth as most land living mammals due via uterine delivery. That is the ONLY comparable point. Dogs and woman hardly give birth in a comparable manner. The need for a c-section in a human vs a dog are completely different scenarios.

Originally Posted by cesar49

the need for a csection is a sign that she should not be bred..

Not neccissarily. It depends on the reason the section was needed. Now more than one section on the same bitch, that's it, IMO, end of story, no more tries.
And the universal solution to the problem is not to "use a smaller stud" as you suggested earlier. (Still waiting on the reasoning behind that.)

Originally Posted by cesar49

why is it ok to breed a female under 5lbs? all of a sudden.?
it has been repeated over and over by reputable caring, experienced
breeders on yt.... do not breed a female under 5 lbs..

Who here is claiming that a less than 5lb female should be bred?
Of course this and multiple c-sections on a bitch are things that I'm sure greedy millers do. But those types of breeders are not the ones being addressed, were they?

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

How are a woman's needs for a c-setion and a dog's need for one even relevant to one another? LOL The two are not even comparable.

I don't have a clue, but I did reply what I do know when it comes to a woman. Women and female dogs being compared to each other is funny with this topic. How did it go from designer breed to whelping puppies, and female dogs anyway. Now that I am confused on.


Wanted to correct a statement I made, about not seeing anything wrong with a c-section. This does not mean all the time, I do however believe a breeder should try it again if both mommy and babies are fine afterwards. But if she had to have it again the second breeding that means okay she really isn't fit to produce... carry maybe but not to whelp.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

I don't have a clue, but I did reply what I do know when it comes to a woman. Women and female dogs being compared to each other is funny with this topic.

Oh I know...I just thought it was kind of insane that they were being compared as if what were good for one was good for the other...the scenarios are not comparable.

[cesar49]

Who here is claiming that a less than 5lb female should be bred?
Of course this and multiple c-sections on a bitch are things that I'm sure greedy millers do. But those types of breeders are not the ones being addressed, were they?
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read previous posts on this thread to see who is breeding a small female again after a csection
you are right about the greeders
maybe backyard breeders think this way
where is your proof bamafan?
maybe i am right.
there are a lot of similarities in women and bitches
we are both bitches
if the greeders want to make money
why would paying for a csection help their bottom line
of course not..
it is a documented yt fact that many people on this forum
have stated.. do not breed under a 5 lb female..
but i dont want to do that search.. sorry
just my opinion..from what i have read previously
i have learned a lot on yt
just like all usda breeders are puppymillers and bybs
selling their litters to petstores..
free whelping is the only best way

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

where is your proof bamafan?
maybe i am right.

Proof about what? Maybe you are right about what? Sorry, you lost me on that one.

Originally Posted by cesar49

there are a lot of similarities in women and bitches

No, there aren't. You cannot base what is best/typical for a dog from what is best/typical for a woman. The reproductive cycles and overall process are vastly contrasting to one another.

Originally Posted by cesar49

it is a documented yt fact that many people on this forum
have stated.. do not breed under a 5 lb female..

Yes, on this we agree--I do not think it is safe to breed a female under 5 pounds either.

Originally Posted by cesar49

free whelping is the only best way

Of course it's the best way, I don't think anyone would claim otherwise. However, c-sections are sometimes neccessary as we all know. And depending on the contributing factors, it doesn't neccessarily mean that it would be unsafe to breed the bitch again.

And again, you stated earlier that a smaller stud should be used if it were to be tried again...I would still be interested in your reasoning behind that statement.