Parti-Yorkie VS. Biewer

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Recessive genes, mutations, and how variations work I understand so I don't need explanation on these.
From what I've read genetic testing has been done to prove that Biewers are there own breed of dog. Right?
And parti yorkies, and this is just a theory, could have resulted from a genetic mutation that resulted in the recessive lighter color gene. Or was the recessive gene always there? Did breeders just breed against this coloration favoring the dominant color we've all come to know?

One of the biewer breed clubs has elected to mars test their dogs...to try to prove the breed is seperate from yorkshire terriers.

A litter of parti puppies was sired by nikko's rolls royce....the sire and dam were AKC. These dogs were extensively dna'd to prove the parti coloring were indeed the result of a breeding between two standard yorkies. The results of that testing is why they are allowed to be registered AKC. Taking that into consideration the gene had to have been there...

The YTCA club sets the standard for the yorkie coloring. To show in conformation events...the dogs must follow their standard.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Recessive genes, mutations, and how variations work I understand so I don't need explanation on these.
From what I've read genetic testing has been done to prove that Biewers are there own breed of dog. Right?
And parti yorkies, and this is just a theory, could have resulted from a genetic mutation that resulted in the recessive lighter color gene. Or was the recessive gene always there? Did breeders just breed against this coloration favoring the dominant color we've all come to know?

The parti colored yorkies and the Biewer are essentially the same dog. Both are 100% yorkshire terriers, coming from two traditional yorkies that both carried the piebald gene.

Biewers have been recognized as a breed of their own on the German registries, but are not recognized by the AKC. Partis are not recognized as a breed of their own, the YTCA considers them to be wrong colored yorkies but they are registered with the AKC under the yorkshire terriers.

I do not know if any DNA testing was done on the Biewers, but the AKC DNA'd 42 litters before they were satisfied that they were indeed purebred yorkies and not mixed with another breed.

That being said, I am sure there are dogs out there that are being sold as partii colored yorkies but are actually mixed with something. Therefore it is important to know who you are buying from and the line that the dogs came from before purchasing one.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Recessive genes, mutations, and how variations work I understand so I don't need explanation on these.
From what I've read genetic testing has been done to prove that Biewers are there own breed of dog. Right?

Again, depends on who you ask. There are many different established Biewer groups and clubs and individuals that have their own opinions and theories and conclusions--all of them believe in that their own findings are the final, offical 'say' and none of them are the same. Suffice to say the Biewers still have a long way to go....

[biewerterrier]

Hello
I am new to Yorkie Talk. I have two Biewer Terriers. I did a great deal of research, before I made this choice. My son has two yorkies and we call them the yorkie boys. I fell in love with them. What I found the bloodline in the true biewers are not the same as parti yorkie. I think all are wonderful and I would not have a negative thing to say about any one of the breeds. In my research I found the biewer terrier to have a milder temperament. Our little girl Daisy is now 2 yr. old and has puppies, one girl and one boy. This is her first litter. Both 100 precent biewers. The BTCA club was my club of perference, they are very knowaledge and have worked very hard to help the public understand the difference. Many of these BTCA members own yorkies and Biewers they love them both. I hope not to confuse anyone. The biewer terrier have been accepted in to the ARBA. If you have any questions Gail Pruett, president of BTCA is a very nice lady that would be glad to answer. They are also other senior members that are much more knowledgeable than I . All of them have helped me a lot. I just love your forum and appreciate to be able to read and enjoy. You are a very nice group of dog lovers and that is what is important that we love and take care of all of our fur babies to the best of our knowledge. Knowledge is a wonderful thing to share that is how we grow… Thank you very much

[diggy4]

Originally Posted by biewerterrier

Hello
I am new to Yorkie Talk. I have two Biewer Terriers. I did a great deal of research, before I made this choice. My son has two yorkies and we call them the yorkie boys. I fell in love with them. What I found the bloodline in the true biewers are not the same as parti yorkie. I think all are wonderful and I would not have a negative thing to say about any one of the breeds. In my research I found the biewer terrier to have a milder temperament. Our little girl Daisy is now 2 yr. old and has puppies, one girl and one boy. This is her first litter. Both 100 precent biewers. The BTCA club was my club of perference, they are very knowaledge and have worked very hard to help the public understand the difference. Many of these BTCA members own yorkies and Biewers they love them both. I hope not to confuse anyone. The biewer terrier have been accepted in to the ARBA. If you have any questions Gail Pruett, president of BTCA is a very nice lady that would be glad to answer. They are also other senior members that are much more knowledgeable than I . All of them have helped me a lot. I just love your forum and appreciate to be able to read and enjoy. You are a very nice group of dog lovers and that is what is important that we love and take care of all of our fur babies to the best of our knowledge. Knowledge is a wonderful thing to share that is how we grow… Thank you very much

Welcome to YT!!! WOuld love to see pics of your babies!!! I think the tri color yorkies are beautiful and a joy to look at! (as well as Standard colored yorkies of course )

[biewerterrier]

Thank you diggy4 for the warm welcome. I will try to post pictures, but like I said I am very nre to this and I will have to figure out how to post a picture..
Again Thanks you

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Again, depends on who you ask. There are many different established Biewer groups and clubs and individuals that have their own opinions and theories and conclusions--all of them believe in that their own findings are the final, offical 'say' and none of them are the same. Suffice to say the Biewers still have a long way to go....

Thank you BiewerTerrier for the compliment.
I would like to address Bama's statement about opinions, theories and conclusions. Opinions make the world go round and if people can talk without accusations and lies, they are great to learn from each other. The theory that the BTCA, Inc. has on the establishment has been proven except the accidental breeding of a Shih Tzu and a Yorkie from the Streamglen Kennel. Our theory that another breed or 2 was introduced to make the Biewer Terrier has been proven. Conclusions based on facts should always be the same. If you are using facts to base your conclusion, then it would be no different than the guy next door.

There has not been a breed signature develope for the Biewer Terrier yet. When we tested Yorkies and Biewers, the Yorkie fell in it's own group and the Biewer fell in it's own group. If they were the same just different colors, they would have all ended up in the same cluster.

You are right about the Biewer having a ways to go, but with the aide of science we are years ahead of the game.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by biewerterrier

Hello
I am new to Yorkie Talk. I have two Biewer Terriers. I did a great deal of research, before I made this choice. My son has two yorkies and we call them the yorkie boys. I fell in love with them. What I found the bloodline in the true biewers are not the same as parti yorkie. I think all are wonderful and I would not have a negative thing to say about any one of the breeds. In my research I found the biewer terrier to have a milder temperament. Our little girl Daisy is now 2 yr. old and has puppies, one girl and one boy. This is her first litter. Both 100 precent biewers. The BTCA club was my club of perference, they are very knowaledge and have worked very hard to help the public understand the difference. Many of these BTCA members own yorkies and Biewers they love them both. I hope not to confuse anyone. The biewer terrier have been accepted in to the ARBA. If you have any questions Gail Pruett, president of BTCA is a very nice lady that would be glad to answer. They are also other senior members that are much more knowledgeable than I . All of them have helped me a lot. I just love your forum and appreciate to be able to read and enjoy. You are a very nice group of dog lovers and that is what is important that we love and take care of all of our fur babies to the best of our knowledge. Knowledge is a wonderful thing to share that is how we grow… Thank you very much

What is confusing to me on the Birwersd is that there are so many different groups and they do not all give the same beginnings. The original Biewer Yiorkshire terrier a la pom pom, developed by mr and mrs Biewer are said to have come from two traditional colored yorkies, just like the parti's.

But now some want to drop the yorkshire from the name and ust call them Biewer Terriers, and are claiming that they are not from yorkshire terriers, but mixed with something, what they are mixed with is unclear. And they are doing this in hopes of being able to have them registered as a new breed by the AKC.

Do I have that right? Or am I missing some information?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Thank you BiewerTerrier for the compliment.
I would like to address Bama's statement about opinions, theories and conclusions. Opinions make the world go round and if people can talk without accusations and lies, they are great to learn from each other. The theory that the BTCA, Inc. has on the establishment has been proven except the accidental breeding of a Shih Tzu and a Yorkie from the Streamglen Kennel. Our theory that another breed or 2 was introduced to make the Biewer Terrier has been proven. Conclusions based on facts should always be the same. If you are using facts to base your conclusion, then it would be no different than the guy next door.

There has not been a breed signature develope for the Biewer Terrier yet. When we tested Yorkies and Biewers, the Yorkie fell in it's own group and the Biewer fell in it's own group. If they were the same just different colors, they would have all ended up in the same cluster.

You are right about the Biewer having a ways to go, but with the aide of science we are years ahead of the game.

Has that accidental breeding been proven? Or is it just a theory. It is possible that there are lines that have some other breed mixed in and there are lines that do not. and until they are able to use DNA to distinguish breeds, I do not see how the issue will be resolved.

I am guessing that there are lines out there being sold as partis that have been mixed also and are not pure bred yorkies. That hasn't been proven, but with extensive DNA testing, on different lines, we would probably find a lot of interesting things.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Thank you BiewerTerrier for the compliment.
I would like to address Bama's statement about opinions, theories and conclusions. Opinions make the world go round and if people can talk without accusations and lies, they are great to learn from each other. The theory that the BTCA, Inc. has on the establishment has been proven except the accidental breeding of a Shih Tzu and a Yorkie from the Streamglen Kennel. Our theory that another breed or 2 was introduced to make the Biewer Terrier has been proven. Conclusions based on facts should always be the same. If you are using facts to base your conclusion, then it would be no different than the guy next door.

There has not been a breed signature develope for the Biewer Terrier yet. When we tested Yorkies and Biewers, the Yorkie fell in it's own group and the Biewer fell in it's own group. If they were the same just different colors, they would have all ended up in the same cluster.

You are right about the Biewer having a ways to go, but with the aide of science we are years ahead of the game.

I am glad that you ladies are happy with your results and that you have been able to prove some of the theories of the BTCA to your satisfaction.

I think that generally speaking that is the overall goal of everyone working for the progression of this breed--researching, testing theories, and forming opinions based on their results.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

What is confusing to me on the Birwersd is that there are so many different groups and they do not all give the same beginnings. The original Biewer Yiorkshire terrier a la pom pom, developed by mr and mrs Biewer are said to have come from two traditional colored yorkies, just like the parti's.

But now some want to drop the yorkshire from the name and ust call them Biewer Terriers, and are claiming that they are not from yorkshire terriers, but mixed with something, what they are mixed with is unclear. And they are doing this in hopes of being able to have them registered as a new breed by the AKC.

Do I have that right? Or am I missing some information?

Nope, you pretty much summed it up.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

What is confusing to me on the Birwersd is that there are so many different groups and they do not all give the same beginnings. The original Biewer Yiorkshire terrier a la pom pom, developed by mr and mrs Biewer are said to have come from two traditional colored yorkies, just like the parti's.

But now some want to drop the yorkshire from the name and ust call them Biewer Terriers, and are claiming that they are not from yorkshire terriers, but mixed with something, what they are mixed with is unclear. And they are doing this in hopes of being able to have them registered as a new breed by the AKC.

Do I have that right? Or am I missing some information?

That's where I'm a little lost.
If the original Mr and Mrs Biewer claimed that in fact these are parti colored yorkies (I'm calling them partis because I am assuming these are pure yorkie lines) that have been bred to create their own unique line. Is that it?
Or is it that there was an accidental breeding with another breed of dog and that's were the Biewers came from?
I guess the question is, Is the term Biewer and Parti interchangable? Or are they actually something different?
Just to let you know, whatever the outcome, they both are beautiful!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

That's where I'm a little lost.
If the original Mr and Mrs Biewer claimed that in fact these are parti colored yorkies (I'm calling them partis because I am assuming these are pure yorkie lines) that have been bred to create their own unique line. Is that it?
Or is it that there was an accidental breeding with another breed of dog and that's were the Biewers came from?
I guess the question is, Is the term Biewer and Parti interchangable? Or are they actually something different?
Just to let you know, whatever the outcome, they both are beautiful!

Well a Biewer is parti colored, in that it is tri colored. But not all parti colored yorkies are Biewers. The Biewer had the same beginning, coming from two traditional colored yorkies, but mr and mrs Biewer developed their own line and named them after themselves. The German version of the AKC has different standards as far as developing new breeds, and they were able to start their own registered breed, calling them the biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

Now, at least one of the american Biewer clubs is trying to prove that the Biewers were not pure bred yorkies, that they had another breed mixed in. and the reason they are doing that is because the AKC standards for developing a new breed states that you can not just use a color variation of the original breed to develope a new breed.

But it is possible that some of the dogs that are being sold as Biewers today, did in deed have another breed mixed in, and are not from the original Biewer lines.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Well a Biewer is parti colored, in that it is tri colored. But not all parti colored yorkies are Biewers. The Biewer had the same beginning, coming from two traditional colored yorkies, but mr amd mrs Biewer developed their own line and named them after themselves. The German version of the AKC has different standfards as far as developing new breeds, and they were able to start their own registered breed, calling them the biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

Now, at least one of the american Biewer clubs is trying to prove that the Biewers were not pure bred yorkies, that they had another breed mixed in. and the reason they are doing that is because the AKC standards for developing a new breed states that you can not just use a color variation of the original breed to develope a new breed.

But it is possible that some of the dogs that are being sold as Biewers today, did in deed have another breed mixed in, and are not from the original Biewer lines.

Oh now I get it. Thanks for the info!

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Well a Biewer is parti colored, in that it is tri colored. But not all parti colored yorkies are Biewers. The Biewer had the same beginning, coming from two traditional colored yorkies, but mr and mrs Biewer developed their own line and named them after themselves. The German version of the AKC has different standards as far as developing new breeds, and they were able to start their own registered breed, calling them the biewer Yorkshire Terrier.

Now, at least one of the american Biewer clubs is trying to prove that the Biewers were not pure bred yorkies, that they had another breed mixed in. and the reason they are doing that is because the AKC standards for developing a new breed states that you can not just use a color variation of the original breed to develope a new breed.

But it is possible that some of the dogs that are being sold as Biewers today, did in deed have another breed mixed in, and are not from the original Biewer lines.

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