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Parti-Yorkie VS. Biewer I'm going to open this thread, I've searched on here and can't find a definitive answer, ...are Biewers and Parti-Yorkies more or less the same thing? I understand Biewers have a German background...but the standards seem more or less identical save color. Are there any movements to open US Biewer studbooks up to Parti-colored yorkies?:confused: |
I've been wondering the same thing... |
I have been wondering about this as well.. can't wait to see the replys. I read a little bit about Biewers on here because I believe there is a breeder that has both Yorkies and Biewers that is on the For Sale thread... but I just learned of Parti Yorkies recently... :rolleyes:..I am so lost sometimes. |
They are the same thing in that they both derived from standard Yorkies, or so the story goes. I do not see any desire for either side to combine efforts though, as there ARE differences between the two. As you pointed out, the German ancestry, there is a standard regarding color placement. Biewer breeders have worked decades to assert that there IS a difference and to separate the Biewers from Standard Yorkies, develop their own breed club(s) etc. That has not been done with the Partis. |
Both Partis and Biewers have what is called a recessive pie-bald gene that is responsible for their coloration. The Biewer breeders took what essentially was a Parti Yorkie and breed it many hundreds of times to develop a special coloration and marking for the dog. The Biewer has a standard and several clubs and is trying to get listed with the AKC registry as a separate breed. Because European countries have banned tail docking the Biewer standard calls for a full tail. Parti's on the other hand really have no official standard, and are just regular yorkies who have two recessive piebald genes, and their color is considered not within standard, but they are can still be listed with the AKC if their parents were listed. There is no separate category for Parti, that I'm aware of, they are just considered Yorkshire Terriers. |
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The Biewer Club has now backtracked and now call them Biewer Terriers not Biewer Yorkies. They are not currently recognized as a breed by the German Kennel Club nor the FCI under whose rules for shows most clubs in Europe compete for their titles, nor does the AKC or Canadian Kennel Club recognize these as a breed. This page is from the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America website that will explain to you about colour. YTCA is the parent club for the Yorkshire Terrier. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards) |
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Really, people it doesn't matter at this stage except that they are not pb Yorkies. The Biewer Terrier Club of America is now trying to get them recognized as a breed, Terrier breed not a Yorkie. I hope they succeed and I do think it is great they are doing that. No longer can these dogs be represented as a 'rare' wrong colour of something they are not once the Biewer is recognized which the BT club will hopefully continue to pursue. Don't hold your breath in the meantime thought, it takes many decades usually to get recognized. Here in Canada for a new breed to get recognized, once the breed Club has all their applications etc in order, it still goes to the CKC membership for approval. It is one heck of a long process. |
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But I'm really not trying to turn this into a debate about the history of Biewers, because goodness knows there have been enough of those. (not meaning you Lorraine :)) |
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wow this is interesting |
ok so if you have a male biewer and a female biewer, their offspring will be biewer's? |
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My explanation was intended to answer the question; your reply of "wrong" is confusing, is my whole answer wrong, or just parts of it. Your link to YTCA does not discuss the piebald gene, and I wasn't aware that some people argued whether or not the Yorkshire terrier carried the piebald gene. You are aware that the piebald gene is recessive and it would take two, one from each parent before it would show up on the Yorkie? Is this what you meant by, "The Yorkie does not now nor did it ever carry a piebald gene"? Or are you saying that the Yorkshire terriers don't even have the piebald gene in their DNA makeup. It's really difficult to get any "facts" because every one is so emotional on this issue, and their minds seem made up, but studies and links given often have very little do with backing up statements. Not trying to argue, and I really would like a clearer understanding of the matter. |
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you can get a parti from one parent carrying the gene? or both have to have the gene? And If they do have the gene they can throw reg and parti as well as the blue, or gold, or red yorkies right? And....this can skip generations also right? |
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