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08-28-2008, 11:05 AM | #91 | ||
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08-28-2008, 11:50 AM | #92 | |
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08-28-2008, 11:55 AM | #93 | |
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i can totally help with the confusion... splitters are a name reserved for biewers..half yorkie carriers are for the partis.... biewers are a rare breed.... ARBA recognized and shown refer to these splitters as hybrid crosses... PLEASE
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08-28-2008, 12:01 PM | #95 |
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| And where has this issue been discussed and dismissed as being inacurrate? Is it only inacurrate to the odd ball color breeders or by whom?
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08-28-2008, 12:13 PM | #96 | |
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Biewers are also recognized and shown under the IABCA and NAKC. There are several registries in the U.S. for Biewers...the BNR, BBCI, BYA, BBIR just to name a few. May I ask why you call a splitter a 'hybrid cross'? The Biewer isn't a hybrid and neither is a Yorkie. The offspring of a traditional colored Yorkie and a Biewer is called a splitter...not a hybrid cross or designer puppy as referred to in an earlier post by a different poster. Last edited by my2boyz; 08-28-2008 at 12:15 PM. | |
08-28-2008, 12:20 PM | #97 | |
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This has been an informative thread so far...I hope it helps some of you that have been curious about the Biewer and Parti's. Yes, it can be confusing but you just have to sift through everything and decide for your self what you feel is right or wrong in all of this. I'm afraid it may be a subject that will never be totally agreed upon by all sides though and it's sad...the Biewer is a beautiful breed that I would like to see around for a long time. | |
08-28-2008, 12:47 PM | #98 | |
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i think hybrid cross means the same thing but.. im not the smartest pupil in class today
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08-28-2008, 12:48 PM | #99 | |
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Until someone has documentation to prove that they are not purebreds, it is just someone making an unsubstantiated claim. Hell anyone of us can do that. I can say that it is proven that yorkies are half pitt bull terriers. I can even post on some website that it has been proven. that is not proof, that would be just me making some unsubstantiated claim. Until science progresses to the point where they can tell the breed of a dog through it's DNA there is no proof of anything. All we have to go on are the records from the Biewer and parti breeders. That post was dismissed as being just someones opinion, and as Lorraine never came back with proof it was laid to rest, until you dug it back up and said what a good post it was. | |
08-28-2008, 12:52 PM | #100 | |
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Of course they never had an issue with it until us "odd ball color breeders" came into the picture. Heretofore, show breeders were scared to death of the YTCA. Well recently breeders have decided that these odd colored yorkies deserved a chance too. So they snubbed their noses at the YTCA. And being that the YTCA is not used to being snubbed they got their undies all in a bunch and had a little tantrum. And the breeders still said, we don't care what you say we're gonna breed these dogs whether you like it or not. Some day the fire will die down and the old YTCA members will die off making way for open minds and new opinions,. And perhaps science will progress to the point of being able to distinquish breeds and will put an end to the controversy. It would be best for us parti breeders if they did prove that they were not yorkies, then we could go on to establish them as a separate breed. But we can't just start making that claim and expect the AKC to go along with it. I would like to hear the reaction of the YTCA if that were to happen, I suspect that they would not be happy with that either because they want to have control. They did not like being snubbed. and making an issue of it is the only way they can retaliate. | |
08-28-2008, 12:54 PM | #101 |
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| So are they Biewer yorkies or are they some rare breed? |
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Well it would be nice if the YTCA would come up with proof one way or the other, but they address it both ways on their site. On one hand they say they are off colored yorkies and cannot be shown, and in the very next paragraph they claim that they aren't even yorkies, which would mean they have NO say over them at all. I personally don't care what you CALL them, how they are labled or if they are considered rare or ot. They are what they are. Categorizing them doesn't change what they are. they are beautiful and people love them and they should not be extinguished. Look at the breeds out there that have known health issues. Bull dogs, the Chinese crested etc. Now those should not be allowed to breed because the genes that cause them to be what they are, are also the genes that cause the health issues. | |
08-28-2008, 01:13 PM | #103 | |
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The AKC is going to look at the Biewer breeders as not knowing what they are or what they are trying to accomplish, if they are not united. This new claim of having "proven" that they are not yorkies, because of some "alleged' DNA testing, is not going to look too good. The DNA testing that was done on the partis was done by the AKC, not by the parti breeders. | |
08-28-2008, 02:30 PM | #104 | |
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I'd be very interested to learn more about what testing the scientists did on the Biewers and if they tested yorkies as well, to compare the make up of both groups of dogs. I'd love to see the printed lab results and learn more about the test itself - what the test, tests for and what it doesn't test for? Does it determine that a dog is 10% maltese, 60% yorkshire terrier, 15% beagle and 15% unknown?? Hopefully the Biewer breeders can shed some light on the situation?
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08-28-2008, 03:27 PM | #105 | |
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YTCA never had a problem with these "odd ball colors" (as you call them) because prior to AKC allowing these colors to be registered, people were hiding these colors, giving them away and disposing of them. What motive would an "unscrupulous" breeder have to come into the picture and purposely breed a yorkie to some parti colored dog to produce lines that will produce "parti colored yorkies" in the future, prior to AKC even allowing this future color to be eligible for registration? If YTCA is worried that unscrupulous breeders will take morkies and breed them together to produce parti look a likes and sell them as the real thing, than require everyone who raises off colored yorkies to have their dogs DNA'd to prove parentage? That will solve one problem? While I can see the reasons for not purposely breeding T-cups, due to increased health issues, hypoglycemia, broken bones ..., there are no increases in health issues with partis and other off colored yorkies (except blue), than there are with standard colored yorkies so I don't see where the problem lies - other than the color. And as we've discussed in previous threads, only some off colors are chastised by the YTCA while other off colors are not???
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