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06-09-2008, 04:10 PM | #61 | |
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06-09-2008, 04:50 PM | #62 |
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| I have 2 Yorkshire Terriers and 1 Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon...so I guess I like the FULL breed name. On a side note...My MIL nearly came to blows in JoAnn Fabrics with a woman who swore there was no such thing as a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier and kept telling her I was swindled...that Samira is a Shih Tzu!
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06-09-2008, 05:16 PM | #63 | |
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Takes all kinds doesn't it!! I wonder what the Shih Tzu folk would think of that? My gracious.. -Diana
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06-09-2008, 05:43 PM | #64 |
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| I have one Yorkshire Terrier and one Biewer Yorkshire a la pom pon. I think what is MISleading about this whole thread is the fact that it isn't just the name change being questioned. Most breeders and fanciers that I have talked with realize that, in order to move towards having these dogs AKC sanctioned, the "yorkshire" will most likely need to be dropped in the future. The problem with the "Biewer Terrier" at this time, is this dog is being marketed as a "breed of it's own" and MARS DNA testing have "proven" that there is mixes within the breed. Personally, I do know know IF there's something else in the mix, and at some time there may be a reputable test to prove that. Some type of "mixes" I might be able to consider -- but the word is getting out that the MARS test show a great variety of dogs involved. Saluki, Bernese Mountain Dog, Bassett Hound, Welsh Springer Spaniel... This test only goes back 3 generations, based on their website. It is my understanding (and I could be wrong here) that in order for a "new" breed to be accepted by AKC, it has to have a mix of 3 different breeds, and they have to be bred pure for a number of generations. Now, I'm sure there is more to it, but if this is the reason that some are trying to prove that these mixes are in the breed -- just to get AKC recognition -- then something is wrong here. In the short amount of time I have been involved in this breed -- I have not seen any "throwbacks" that I would think might pop up if indeed these mixes exist. I have seen large dogs (just like with the Yorkie)... but Bernese Mountain dog? Dogs with very big ears... but Bassett Hound? My Biewer can run like a Saluki... but I hardly think my 6 pound girl is mixed with one. Shoot -- I'm waiting to see when we're told that an Irish Wolfhound was in the mix somewhere. (that was a joke -- hopefully!) So... for the near future... I have a Biewer Yorkshire a la pom pon! I hope that it is many years down the road for the Biewer being recognized as an AKC breed, as I feel there is still too many unknowns -- due to the amount of inbreeding at the beginning of the breed. I would rather keep them a "rare" breed, rather than an "extinct" one. JMHO |
06-09-2008, 06:01 PM | #65 | |
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So... for the near future... I have a Biewer Yorkshire a la pom pon! | |
06-09-2008, 08:39 PM | #66 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | "It is my understanding (and I could be wrong here) that in order for a "new" breed to be accepted by AKC, it has to have a mix of 3 different breeds, and they have to be bred pure for a number of generations. Now, I'm sure there is more to it, but if this is the reason that some are trying to prove that these mixes are in the breed -- just to get AKC recognition -- then something is wrong here. And how does anyone know there aren't three breeds in the Biewer--like the Yorkie, Maltese and Pom, maybe? Over 100 dogs have been tested and continue to be tested--if you are not one of the dogs' owners, how would any of you know what the results are??? Facts, go a lot further IMHO than pontificating. Those who can, do. Those who can't.... |
06-10-2008, 01:58 AM | #68 |
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06-10-2008, 02:03 AM | #69 | |
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Yes, the Biewers can be shown with rare breed associations. There is the IABCA, NAKC and now ARBA in the United States. There is at least one club in Canada that they can also be shown in. The IABCA and NAKC shows use AKC judges. I would imagine the same would be true about ARBA, but I do not know that personally. I'm sure someone else can confirm that. | |
06-10-2008, 03:50 AM | #70 |
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| IABCA is not a rare breed association. They register and allow to show all AKC recognized dogs and also several that are not recognized (this is usually considered "rare breeds" |
06-10-2008, 04:50 AM | #71 |
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| It is awesome to have these opportunities with the different show venues. Here is a little history for the IABCA - International All Breed Canine Association International Dog Shows - Alle Rasse Gruppe International Dog Shows (also known as Alle Rasse Gruppe, German for All Breed Club) is the Dog Show arm of IABCA. It is a family business that has been operating nationally for twenty years. We put on dog shows all across the US (with some shows in Canada as well). The company is licensed through our parent company, Union Cynologie International (UCI). UCI is a German dog club that has shows throughout Europe, as well as licensed shows in parts of Asia, Mexico, and South America.
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06-10-2008, 05:17 AM | #72 | ||
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This is the misson statement for ARBA; Quote:
Rare Breed Dog registrations Rare Breed Conformation Dog Shows Judges Seminars Public awareness and education. Conformation Dog Shows Championship Titles Obedience Titles Canine Citizenship Program Having the different venues to show the Biewers is great, but eventually getting to show AKC would be super great. We know the Biewers can hold there own at these other venues, but AKC would be the real test if we are breeding truly great dogs. | ||
06-10-2008, 05:54 AM | #73 |
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| I cringe to think about what would happen if they ever were accepted into the AKC. As it is, there are many who don't give them much consideration because of their lack of AKC recognition. Theorectically speaking, if and when that ever happened, there will come a time when the Biewer is the current going fad and they are poorly bred and mass produced for the sake of the almighty $$$ (as the Yorkies are being now) thus doing the dogs a HUGE injustice. I'm sure it will happen sooner or later, just not a pleasant thought to entertain. |
06-10-2008, 06:09 AM | #74 |
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| Unfortunately I know of a couple of places already breeding without regard for the breed. The high prices that bring in comparison to most dogs has brought that to be. I unfortunately sold one of the dogs into these conditions. A reference check was done, but did not bring up the conditions at this place. I now do a background check and call state and local animal agencies. We should never trust just the given references alone, as they would not knowingly give a bad reference. (I did have a person give their vet, who in turn told us that the dogs were filthy. Oops! they did not get a dog from me!) I don't want to ever have this on my conscience again. I love my dogs too much to let them end up in a place that has no regard for them. I don't know if the other breeder even knows that one of her dogs is in the situation it is in. I know about it because I called about the dog when it was put into an auction. I was hoping that a rescue could purchase it. Unfortunately it was beyond the budget of the rescue. The Biewers that have been sold at the dog auctions, no one cares where they go except that the person was willing to pay the highest price. If the owner would have cared they would not have put them in the auction. |
06-10-2008, 06:09 AM | #75 |
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| "And how does anyone know there aren't three breeds in the Biewer--like the Yorkie, Maltese and Pom, maybe? Over 100 dogs have been tested and continue to be tested--if you are not one of the dogs' owners, how would any of you know what the results are??? Facts, go a lot further IMHO than pontificating. " I agree so it would sure be helpful to end all the drama if you would post your facts. I have personally seen 3 emails with the results and they were all with different breeds. While I realize that is a small number it doesn't help. I am sure everyone in the Biewer community would end the back and forth stuff if the facts were posted. I am sure there are some mixes in the bunch as we saw the so called Biewer in California. We can't just point fingers at Germany because they did not have DNA on their registered pups because neither did the AKC until 1999. So I am also sure some Yorkies were sold that were not pure yorkies either.
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