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lisatodd · 01-06-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrYorkiecrazy

Over and over again, I see responses from people that either didn't fully read the previous posts or, as in this case, they take what is written out of context. This is why I usually don't respond to responses. However, to clarify my position ...

That's not what I said at all. I said "... they appear to look very much like the Yorkies we see winning at AKC dog shows ..."

I KNOW they are NOT of show quality. My point was that facially, they LOOK very much like the standard - like AKC Yorkshire Terriers.

It appears to me like you girls are giving the impression that small dogs will have health problems and that non-small and AKC registered dogs do not. To be fair, generally this may be true, but is NOT ABSOLUTE. To the OP and others who may be concerned with this issue... Point of fact - Our 'teapot' yorkie we got from a small kennel, who, at that time, bred exclusively Yorkies, is AKC registered and weighs 14 lbs. She looks less like a Yorkie than these Velvet Touch Yorkies, she's had both knees operated on for LP, she's got allergies and other health issues. In addition, frankly, she's a little neurotic.

I've read many posts from YTers who have NOT had health issues with their small Yorkies.

In closing, all I ask is for us to use a little more discretion, restraint, and understanding when discussing other kennels, their breeding practices, dog sizes, appearances, etc.

everyone is just expressing their opinions here. that's it. you are the only one who seems to be getting upset over this.

but i do have to disagree with you.....we DO NOT see yorkies like her's winning in the show ring. I am sorry but NO.
And regarding the health issues of breeding tinies purposely....some may live a healthy life but MOST will not. And what about the mommies??? Most of them probably have c-section after c-section to have these puppies.
Very Sad.
There is a huge difference from a puppy who just came out small and one who is bred to be small.

BamaFan121s · 01-06-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MrYorkiecrazy

I've read many posts from YTers who have NOT had health issues with their small Yorkies.

I have a small Yorkie who has never had any problems as far as health goes. Had a pretty nasty injury due to his small size though.

In any case, having a small Yorkie that is healthy is not comparable to purposely breeding small dogs to get small dogs.

I think that when people make statements regarding small Yorkies being unhealthy, they refer more to people who are breeding them down with nothing but $$$ in their sights--clearly the dogs' health and well being are not being put first....but the same could be said for any breeder just trying to capitalize...regardless of the size pups being produced.

I'm sure there is alot that web sites don't show you that can only be assumed, but at the same time, there ARE going to be some things that you don't have to experience 'in person' in order to make an accurate statement. A 2.5 lb female being bred is just that--website or in person, makes no difference. A large number of dogs being bred is just that--website or in person, makes no difference. It is what it is.

MorkieAZ · 01-06-2008, 02:32 PM

[QUOTE=lisatodd;1652575]everyone is just expressing their opinions here. that's it. you are the only one who seems to be getting upset over this.
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Yeah, what gives, we all have opinions and this is the place to share them.
No one is bashing, just giving our opinion on what we see on the site.
Such as the tour of the kennel, all you see is a large yard and an outside play area, you don't actually see inside the kennel.
Could you be affiliated with this kennel mryorkiecrazy?

MyFairLacy · 01-06-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MrYorkiecrazy

Over and over again, I see responses from people that either didn't fully read the previous posts or, as in this case, they take what is written out of context. This is why I usually don't respond to responses. However, to clarify my position ...

That's not what I said at all. I said "... they appear to look very much like the Yorkies we see winning at AKC dog shows ..."

I KNOW they are NOT of show quality. My point was that facially, they LOOK very much like the standard - like AKC Yorkshire Terriers.

It appears to me like you girls are giving the impression that small dogs will have health problems and that non-small and AKC registered dogs do not. To be fair, generally this may be true, but is NOT ABSOLUTE. To the OP and others who may be concerned with this issue... Point of fact - Our 'teapot' yorkie we got from a small kennel, who, at that time, bred exclusively Yorkies, is AKC registered and weighs 14 lbs. She looks less like a Yorkie than these Velvet Touch Yorkies, she's had both knees operated on for LP, she's got allergies and other health issues. In addition, frankly, she's a little neurotic.

I've read many posts from YTers who have NOT had health issues with their small Yorkies.

In closing, all I ask is for us to use a little more discretion, restraint, and understanding when discussing other kennels, their breeding practices, dog sizes, appearances, etc.

Do you know how dangerous it is for those 2-3lb mommies to go through pregnancy and birth? They have a MUCH higher risk of C-sections and dying in birth. How can you be okay with such tiny dogs being bred?

It's one thing to buy a tiny yorkie that happened to show up in a litter - it's another thing to breed it and put its life at risk

LuvmyYorkies2 · 01-06-2008, 03:12 PM

Just curious.....does anyone know the price range she's asking for these tiny babies? I noticed she didn't list on her website. Many times we see the tiny ones going for what.....$2500+? That could be a sign of breeding tinies for the big bucks first...not saying this breeder does & I won't comment on her specifically since I don't know her....

lisatodd · 01-06-2008, 03:17 PM

all i can say is the OP asked what we thought of this kennel and we did

vduback · 01-06-2008, 03:23 PM

That website was a big TURN OFF!!!!! What's the difference between that Kennel and a puppy mill? Mass breeding. Personally, it's important to me when buying my dog to get one that was raised in a family environment.

Did you see the the Sires that was only 1 lb 10 oz. That's way too small.

hha · 01-06-2008, 03:28 PM

Also under sires, she has a couple of them that are 13 years old..

I just went through all the dams and sires, and NONE of them do anything for me...Puppies are cute, but, like I've said before, all puppies are cute..

sweetr72 · 01-06-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vduback

That website was a big TURN OFF!!!!! What's the difference between that Kennel and a puppy mill? Mass breeding. Personally, it's important to me when buying my dog to get one that was raised in a family environment.

Did you see the the Sires that was only 1 lb 10 oz. That's way too small.

Thats what I would like to know too...what IS the difference between a kennel of this magnitude and a puppy mill??

MrYorkiecrazy · 01-06-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

There is no way I would consider buying from that breeder and can't believe anyone (especially a YT member) would.

This is just a mean statement. Personally, I can't believe anyone (especially a YT member) could be so insensitively negative. Though we've been watching this breeder for some time, we will visit her with due respect and a cautious but open mind. I expect breeders to expect no more or no less.

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

There is no such thing as a "teacup" or "tiny toy" yorkie OR poodle

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...59#post1652859

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

She has a LOT of dogs...business, business, business

She breeds females that are WAY too small for breeding

I must agree that it would seem so. At any rate, I would reserve that statement until further investigation.

BTW, is it cost effective to continually c-section?????

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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

She does have some cute dogs that look well taken care of in the pictures, but I highly doubt they look like that on a daily basis....not unless they have a full time grooming staff working for them

No doubt.

MrYorkiecrazy · 01-06-2008, 04:28 PM

I think it's REALLY funny that you folks see the pictures of the kennels and BELIEVE that they are not that prestine all the time.
However, you do BELIEVE the weights she states of her dams and sires.

shelbysmom · 01-06-2008, 04:40 PM

[I]Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy
There is no way I would consider buying from that breeder and can't believe anyone (especially a YT member) would.

Quote:]This is just a mean statement. Personally, I can't believe anyone (especially a YT member) could be so insensitively negative. Though we've been watching this breeder for some time, we will visit her with due respect and a cautious but open mind. I expect breeders to expect no more or no less.

I think the poster meant that it is surprising that anyone on YT would not see all of the red flags here. The dogs are too tiny for breeding, there are way too many of them to be cared for like Yorkies require and the dogs are not of quality to be used for breeding. Pet quality dogs should not be used for breeding, that is one reason reputable breeders have spay and neuter requirements.

We all need to consider more than just a cute pup. Consider the breeding program you want to support.

Rosie 1 · 01-06-2008, 04:43 PM

DAH! IT'S A PUPPY MILL..... LOOK AT THE DOGS IN RUNS LIVING IN A SHED... NOT LIVING IN HOME...ALSO MORE THAN ONE BREED AND CONSTANT PUPS ALL THE TIME FOR MONEY.... THE DOGS ARE CUTE BUT THAT'S THE HOOK..THE DOGS LIVING IN THE SHEDS ARE NOT HAPPY.. THEY ARE LITTLE PUPPY MACHINES..

hha · 01-06-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosie 1

DAH! IT'S A PUPPY MILL..... LOOK AT THE DOGS IN RUNS LIVING IN A SHED... NOT LIVING IN HOME...ALSO MORE THAN ONE BREED AND CONSTANT PUPS ALL THE TIME FOR MONEY.... THE DOGS ARE CUTE BUT THAT'S THE HOOK..THE DOGS LIVING IN THE SHEDS ARE NOT HAPPY.. THEY ARE LITTLE PUPPY MACHINES..

I so agree, none of those dames or sires look happy and healthy at all to me, nor do I think any of them are that great looking..some are pretty funky looking really..

MrYorkiecrazy · 01-06-2008, 05:23 PM

Ok, here's another take to show it can go either way and that there are no guarantees...

Sad story warning -
Many years ago, we belonged to an AKC kennel club. One active member of this club was a lady who raised and showed Great Danes. She had 7 Danes living IN her house. All things considered would lead one to believe she was a truly responsible pet owner and breeder.

She told us, quite openingly, that she had recently bred one of her bitches for a particular color for showing. Her dam had 11 puppies... none the sought after color. They were, however, otherwise all quite normal, healthy, and excellent specimens of the breed. But there were not the sought after color. She could have had the local paper run a free ad but all it would have said was "free dog". She could have posted posters. She could have given them away from various parking lots and places. No. Instead, she chose to put them in paper bags and freeze them.

It just goes to show you that sometimes you just can never tell.

01-06-2008, 03:12 PM	#35
LuvmyYorkies2 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 1,739	Just curious.....does anyone know the price range she's asking for these tiny babies? I noticed she didn't list on her website. Many times we see the tiny ones going for what.....$2500+? That could be a sign of breeding tinies for the big bucks first...not saying this breeder does & I won't comment on her specifically since I don't know her.... __________________ Yolanda I Love My Girls Diva & Foxxy & Lexi

01-06-2008, 03:17 PM	#36
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,460	all i can say is the OP asked what we thought of this kennel and we did __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

01-06-2008, 03:28 PM	#38
hha No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seneca, SC Posts: 2,837	Also under sires, she has a couple of them that are 13 years old.. I just went through all the dams and sires, and NONE of them do anything for me...Puppies are cute, but, like I've said before, all puppies are cute.. Last edited by hha; 01-06-2008 at 03:30 PM.

01-06-2008, 02:32 PM	#33
MorkieAZ Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,276	[QUOTE=lisatodd;1652575]everyone is just expressing their opinions here. that's it. you are the only one who seems to be getting upset over this. QUOTE] Yeah, what gives, we all have opinions and this is the place to share them. No one is bashing, just giving our opinion on what we see on the site. Such as the tour of the kennel, all you see is a large yard and an outside play area, you don't actually see inside the kennel. Could you be affiliated with this kennel mryorkiecrazy?

01-06-2008, 03:23 PM	#37
vduback Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland Posts: 90	That website was a big TURN OFF!!!!! What's the difference between that Kennel and a puppy mill? Mass breeding. Personally, it's important to me when buying my dog to get one that was raised in a family environment. Did you see the the Sires that was only 1 lb 10 oz. That's way too small.

01-06-2008, 04:28 PM	#41
MrYorkiecrazy No Longer a Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: City, State, Country Posts: 1,763	I think it's REALLY funny that you folks see the pictures of the kennels and BELIEVE that they are not that prestine all the time. However, you do BELIEVE the weights she states of her dams and sires.

01-06-2008, 04:40 PM	#42
shelbysmom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,394	[I]Quote: Originally Posted by MyFairLacy There is no way I would consider buying from that breeder and can't believe anyone (especially a YT member) would. Quote:]This is just a mean statement. Personally, I can't believe anyone (especially a YT member) could be so insensitively negative. Though we've been watching this breeder for some time, we will visit her with due respect and a cautious but open mind. I expect breeders to expect no more or no less. I think the poster meant that it is surprising that anyone on YT would not see all of the red flags here. The dogs are too tiny for breeding, there are way too many of them to be cared for like Yorkies require and the dogs are not of quality to be used for breeding. Pet quality dogs should not be used for breeding, that is one reason reputable breeders have spay and neuter requirements. We all need to consider more than just a cute pup. Consider the breeding program you want to support.

01-06-2008, 04:43 PM	#43
Rosie 1 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 191	DAH! IT'S A PUPPY MILL..... LOOK AT THE DOGS IN RUNS LIVING IN A SHED... NOT LIVING IN HOME...ALSO MORE THAN ONE BREED AND CONSTANT PUPS ALL THE TIME FOR MONEY.... THE DOGS ARE CUTE BUT THAT'S THE HOOK..THE DOGS LIVING IN THE SHEDS ARE NOT HAPPY.. THEY ARE LITTLE PUPPY MACHINES..

01-06-2008, 05:23 PM	#45
MrYorkiecrazy No Longer a Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: City, State, Country Posts: 1,763	Ok, here's another take to show it can go either way and that there are no guarantees... Sad story warning - Many years ago, we belonged to an AKC kennel club. One active member of this club was a lady who raised and showed Great Danes. She had 7 Danes living IN her house. All things considered would lead one to believe she was a truly responsible pet owner and breeder. She told us, quite openingly, that she had recently bred one of her bitches for a particular color for showing. Her dam had 11 puppies... none the sought after color. They were, however, otherwise all quite normal, healthy, and excellent specimens of the breed. But there were not the sought after color. She could have had the local paper run a free ad but all it would have said was "free dog". She could have posted posters. She could have given them away from various parking lots and places. No. Instead, she chose to put them in paper bags and freeze them. It just goes to show you that sometimes you just can never tell.