6+ years old, had it up to here - need help.

[Luvdogs2]

I don't know why some responses are being posted and others are not...

I'll make another statement here -

The dog was hit, it has been received poorly and I hope you believe me when I say that I don't enjoy doing things like that. IT'S DONE, IT'S OVER WITH - MOVE ON.

Let's focus on the problem at hand and how to correct it. Comments like Ladyjane's are immature and are 180 degrees from the intent of spending my time here. I want to fix the problem, not hear about how "I wouldn't listen either" because it doesn't do a darn thing.

You, as well as I, would like to see this dog running around and not have to spend any time in that kennel. I dated a dog show breeder, and all her dogs did was sit in the kennel and not have any time other than to go to the bathroom to run around and I said I would never let that happen to an animal I had control over. I don't want this dog living in the kennel when I'm home. I'd rather let it run around and do what dogs do! Just not on the floor!!!

I was wrong, I hit the dog - that's been made abundantly clear. Let's move ahead and fix the problem....otherwise the dog is going to bite again and what do you think will happen? Maybe call animal control and have them decide if the dog should be put down for being vicious? is that what you all would rather happen???

[Sammy Mommy]

I don't think that you have the time/patience/temperment to train a Yorkie. I hope that you will consider a Yorkie Rescue group for the dog. Just my opinion.

[ladyjane]

So, now you would call animal control on your own dog? Please, don't try to insult my intelligence. You say that some of us are stirring the pot?
As for your trying to pit YT members against one another...you are not unique. That is commonplace on ALL boards.
I told you where I think you should start...with yourself. Anyone who hits a small animal has issues of their own. Then, perhaps you might try to help the poor dog. But, from the things you have said, I don't think that dog has a chance of happiness with you.
I find it difficult to believe that you came here for help. Seriously. Your post was nothing short of mean spirited about "the dog".
Which brings up another question: What IS name of "the dog"? Did I miss it? I need it so that when I pray for it, I can say its name.

[ladyjane]

Oh...and I forgot to mention. If you don't like the opinions I have then simply put me on ignore.
You can find your Ignore List on the UserCP and put my user ID in there. Then, you won't have to read what I have to say.
I won't stop advocating for animals because you say so.
Yes, you were wrong to hit "the dog", but it does not just stop there. You have been wrong in just about everything you have said with regards to "the dog". I don't recall you saying one positive thing about that poor little baby.

[boopster]

You want advice? OK

1) start over with the dog as if you had just gotten an abused pet from the shelter. You will have to be very patient because dogs are not stupid and they do have long memories.

2) invest some time reading the many helpful posts about the issues you have with the dog. There are ways of potty training that work well with little dogs but they require patience and time.

3) Accept the fact that Yorkies are not like the dogs you're used to. You and the mythical fiancée do not know how to train this little one and you will find the help you need if YOU are willing to listen.

4) if you both are not willing or able to invest the time and PROPER attention to the dog, please ask her to call a rescue organization to take her dog. If she won't, and you can't live with her choice, then leave her. You have a toxic situation there and that dog is going to suffer unless you both grow up and do what's right. Or if you care about her too much to leave, then take it upon yourself to learn about properly training a Yorkie and just do it.

Threatening to call animal control because someone here hurt your feelings? Get over yourself. Have a good look in the mirror and man up. Being a bully, threatening helpless animals, and ordering your fiancée around as you've described are immature at best and dangerous at worst.

[Luvdogs2]

Here is my whole story....

I am a business owner that requires Federal Licensing and I'm very conscientious about having my name or relative information about me in a public spectrum, so I operate under anonymity whenever I can. I wouldn't be hard for somebody with a poor opinion or vindictive nature to try and rock the boat or cause me extensive grief in my business or personal life due to the nature of my business.

I am, point in fact, here for help because of many suggestions to seek advice from experienced people and not just some blanket operative listed on sites as a general training or advice. I want to fix this dog because I want to see it act normal and not tear up my things or stain my carpet/furniture. The dog is adorable and it is smart as can be. It knows when it goes to the bathroom on the floor that it did wrong. It KNOWS when it does something wrong, yet through all my avenues of trying to train, it resists.

I am convinced that my fiance doesn't hold the schedule and she doesn't reinforce my training attempts because it seems like the dog has the attitude of "mom lets me get away with it, so why should I listen to you."

I DON'T HATE THIS DOG!! I want to see many years of life from this dog and I want it to be a part of the family as a whole. I want my fiance to train and act in a way that is moving towards this dog behaving like a dog should. I want to take pictures of this dog sleeping with my children. I want to see this dog interact with other dogs and not fight with them (like it does with other dogs). I want to see this dog happy - bottom line.

I don't want to see it gone. I don't want to see my fiance sorrowed by this dog anymore. I don't want to walk in from a late night in the library and see her bent over the bathtub and washing out the crate at 2am and bathing the dog because it pooped in the crate anymore.

All I want is a dog that acts like a behaved dog should. Bathroom outside, well tempered inside.

If Ladyjane or anyone can't read this and understand - then so be it. Lack of ability to read or comprehend the posts is a problem only those who are confused or challenged have to deal with.

If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here. If I didn't want help, I wouldn't be wasting time here. If I liked hitting the dog, I'd just hit it and not be here asking for the proper alternatives. If I wanted to call animal control, it would be easier to dial the 10 digit number than type the thousands of words I did.

Please don't ridicule the previous actions of a person with low experience with dogs under 10 pounds and help this person know where to go from here.

If you wish me to leave, then tell me to leave and I'm not worth helping. If you wish me to stay, let's start developing solutions so I can help the dog and help my fiance...all of which helps me too - which is why I'm here in the first place.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Luvdogs2

More insightful posts by our friend ladyjane... I didn't say "some of you" I said "YOU"

Perhaps a remedial reading course would be of great benefit. I'm not pitting you against other members, I'm simply asking that you don't post in my thread if you aren't going to contribute.

Let me guess, Democrat?

Go do something else, I shouldn't have to put you in ignore - you've been asked to leave. I believe this is what a forum patron would call "Trolling"

Again, please leave.

ETA: the reference to no names is in one of those posts I made that is waiting for moderator approval. Anonymity is the reason no names have been used.

Well I guess in the USA Democrats leaning is supposed to be perjorative?

I'm in Canada and I am proudly a Liberal. Well mostly a Liberal

You can ask someone not to post in your thread, but alas this forum does have democratic rules, what your post here is public, and anyone can post on the threads you posted. For you see you don't Own the thread you posted.

So let us just go on from here. We are all very concerned with the health and well being of Yorkies, and of course other dogs.

I've read a couple of posts to you and your response, which I'm really trying to fit into what your first post was, as to who is at home when, and when you are home you keep dog in crate, etc.

I think that you are on the route to get help. You that means you and your finace and dog et al need help. So I support you in this effort. \

We all here on YT want our furbabies to have the bestest of life

All I can say in summary. forget what posts pissed you off, always work from the best interests in this life you have in your hands.

[kalina82]

ok, so i think we've all come to the conclusion that hitting the dog is the wrong thing to do. I know you were angry because the dog bit you but please try to refrain from using a physical reprimand next time. Lesson learned (hopefully) and moving forward!


I don't doubt that you can train a dog to do what you want (hopefully with positive re-enforcement) but I'm guessing these were all larger working type breeds since you lived on a farm. Those types of dogs were bred to listen to people and do a job. A yorkie on the other hand is not a working breed, they are now a companion breed. A long time ago they were ratters, I believe, and most still retain the need to chase down critters and kill them (even if that "critter" is now a piece of paper on your table). Also, yorkies are known for being very hard to house break and it takes a long time for them to be 100% successful. That is why some people opt to have potty pads in the house or in the dogs pen so they have somewhere to potty if needed when nobody is home.

I believe you can train your fiancee's yorkie but both people in this relationship have to be working on the same page. You cannot be doing one thing, and your fiancee another. You two need to sit down and write up a schedule for feeding, walking, playing, etc... I understand you do not want to be looking after the dog while you are studying because you need to concentrate on your work. There is nothing wrong with that. However, i do think attention should be given to her when you come home from work/school for at least a half hour before you start your studying.

Also, about the food, since she is not housebroken she needs to be on a feeding schedule which correlates with a potty schedule. No more free feeding and no more over feeding. She's pooping so much because she's getting way to much to eat (unless she is a very large yorkie). You need to treat your adult yorkie like she is a new puppy. Here is a schedule you should adopt and make work with your situation.

Morning:
-When you wake up in the morning the FIRST thing you do is take the pup outside. At this point she will probably only pee which is fine, but if you think she has to poop then stay out there with her on a leash until she does her business.
- After a successful morning potty she gets free rein for a little bit. Then its into her enclosed area for breakfast time. During this time you should be getting ready for work while she eats and digests. After you're finished getting ready but before you leave for work you need to take her back outside to potty again. This time she most definitely should poop and pee.
-When you leave for work and no one else is awake or home to watch her she needs to go back into her enclosed area.

Late morning/afternoon:
-During the day she'll need to go outside every few hours. If she's in her area for a while and someone wakes up or comes home, she needs to be taken outside at once. If she has a successful potty then she gets free rein for a little while as long as she can be watched. This way accidents can be prevented. If she does manage to have one, then its your fault because no one was paying attention to her. Clean up the mess and move on. Do not scold her, hit her, or rub her face in it. She's already done it and won't associate the yelling with her peeing/pooping on the floor a few minutes ago. If you catch her while she's doing it then you can correct her. Clap your hands and say "No" to startle her, then quickly take her outside to finish.
-Basically she needs to go outside after being in the crate for a few hours, after eating, after playing, and after sleeping. Dogs are just like babies for the most part. they eat, sleep, poop, and play.

Evening:
-Dinner is the same as breakfast.
-Free rein after potty time after dinner until bed time. Depending on what time she eats dinner and what time you go to bed she may need to go out a few times.
-Right before you go to bed she needs to go outside, then put in her crate for bed time.
-when fiancee comes home at midnight she should probably take her outside again because she will be woken up from sleeping and probably have to pee again

Crate/Ex-pen Time:
-She needs to be given as much attention as possible when you are home because both of you work and/or go to school. play with her, walk her, cuddle with her, tire her out basically...
-If you are home and cannot watch her for whatever reason (studying) she should go into her enclosed area. This way she won't have an accident. Set her up for success, not failure.

Tips:
-Buy an ex-pen to give her a larger area to spend all those hours in while no one is home. This way you can put a wee wee pad in there that she will hopefully use. Also put a bed, some toys, and a bowl of water in there.
-Take her for long walks. If she is exercised properly she will be happy and tired, which will make her less likely to get into mischief.

Now for the biting issue. What were you doing right before the dog bit you? Were you trying to get close to your fiancee while the dog was sitting with her (bed, couch, kitchen table)? Were you just walking by and not even paying attention to her? Were you trying to leash her up to take her outside? There is a reason she bit you, even if you can't figure it out. Tell us what happened and maybe we can shed some light. I agree that a trainer is a great investment. You BOTH need to see the trainer with the dog so that you will both be using the same methods of training.

The situation right now between your fiancee, the dog, and yourself is not a good one, but you already know that. If you BOTH can commit yourselves to finding a solution then you can make it work. However, if you BOTH can't agree with what needs to be done then PLEASE, for the dogs sake, give her to a yorkie rescue. They will be able to find her a home with people who have more time for her so that she can be properly trained and have a happy life.

Oh and as for the dog biting children, i agree that it should NOT be acceptable. Even if the child did something to provoke the bite (intentionally or unintentionally), the dog should be re-homed because it is an unsafe living situation for both the child and the dog. Yorkies are little and some kids just cannot be trusted with tiny creatures.

That is my honest opinion. Make of it what you will.

[ladyjane]

Political and religious topics are against YT rules.

Anyway.....as we move on...again I suggest that you do some soul searching about your, what I perceive to be, poor impulse control. If I am wrong on that count, ignore the advice. You asked for help...and honestly, I don't see that I am not helping by pointing out the obvious. It is not that dog's fault that you hit things rather than first seek an appropriate way of venting your frustrations. You need to be trained first..not the other way around.

Interesting that the one thread with the name is being held up. Perhaps you could post it again? I really hate referring to the dog as "the dog". And...OH since you are so worried about anonymity, make up a name! No one really cares if it is the real name. The point here is to help the pups.

You may not think my posts help, but I disagree. A good forum allows for open discussion. They don't necessarily moderate everything to their liking...well that is the GOOD ones don't.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kalina82

- f.


Oh and as for the dog biting children, i agree that it should NOT be acceptable. Even if the child did something to provoke the bite (intentionally or unintentionally), the dog should be re-homed because it is an unsafe living situation for both the child and the dog. Yorkies are little and some kids just cannot be trusted with tiny creatures.

That is my honest opinion. Make of it what you will.

Actually, I do not agree with that. When my son was young, he had a friend who had a cocker spaniel named Joey. Joey was a sweet pup UNTIL you approached his food. He was very food aggressive.

The friend's mother told all of her son's friends and their parents all about Joey. She made it very clear that she did not want children to come to her home unless the parents and children were VERY aware of Joey and agreed to not bother him when he was near his food.

One day my son called me from their home to inform me that Joey had bitten him. The very next words out of his mouth were, "it was my fault". And, yes indeed it WAS his fault. My son has always loved dogs, and gotten along well with them....he made the mistake of reaching into the dog bowl and Joey snapped.

No reason for Joey to be rehomed. And, I had a choice to make. Allow my son to go there again....or not. I chose to agree with my son that it was his fault...and there was never another incident. Lesson was learned.

I believe that parents need to teach children how to behave around dogs. Now, I am NOT advocating keeping a terribly unstable, aggressive dog around children. I just think that sometimes there is a bit of leeway.

[Luvdogs2]

testing one two

[Luvdogs2]

The dog's name is ladyjane, it knows better but still acts in a manner that has been discouraged. If religion is not to be discussed, why do you want to know the name to pray?

Moving on...

There is a lot of information posted yet is waiting for moderators to approve of the posting. The dog bit me when I went to take it outside the first time. The second time was when I went to pick it up an play with it. The third was when I put my hand down to move a blanket on the couch when I wanted to sit down and it charged me and bit me.

As far as kids and dogs go, my first dog - who also will remain nameless - was a mutt given to me on the farm. She would walk around me in circles to keep hogs away when I went in the pens to check my stock (I was an entrepreneur at a young age of 10). This dog would allow you to walk up and take a treat out of her mouth and give you the look like "hey, I was going to eat that but you must have a good reason" and my infant nephew would grab tufts of hair and crawl all over her. My aunt was over at one point and made repeated comments about how the dog was going to nip - but my pup would only use her teeth on kibble and bones. I walked over and told the dog to open her mouth and "let me see" - which she did and I stuck my hand in there and grabbed her tongue and wouldn't let go. This always pissed her off, but she slapped my hand with her paw and gave me that look like "jerk - you know I don't like that." and walked away.

No dog have I ever trained or worked with has bitten me other than puppy love or me sticking my hand in their mouths TRYING to get them to bit me to show off they wouldn't do it.

Everyone has a difference of opinions on everything, but KALINA82's post is exactly what I'm here for. If those reading and keeping up with this thread would read this post and offer suggestions or alternatives if they see a difference of opinion to the routine, that will give me a proper base to work off of and alternatives should the schedule or ideas need to be tweaked.

I'm here to make life better and learn too - I'm not a master dog trainer and I don't consider myself a master of my business trade either...a master has nothing left to learn.

[Sammy Mommy]

ladyjane, you are right. Children should be taught not to bother a dog's food or bother a dog when they are eating or sleeping. I always taught my kids that. Also I taught them to ask someone if they can pet their dog. Maybe the dog doesn't feel well or is afraid of strangers, or some other reason, and wouldn't want to be petted. I always tell people if I am holding my dog not to pet him or hug me because my dog is very protective of me and would probably snap at them.

[ladyjane]

There now! You have lots of work to do.....take Kalina's post, print it out and FOLLOW IT! Hopefully, you will learn something and enjoy ladyjane and she you.

[kjc]

Some questions for you:

What food is she being fed, and when and how much? (Brand, main ingredient)

What kind of feed bowls do you use for her? (Plastic, Stainless steel, ceramic)

How much does Bdog weigh? Is she over/under weight for her size?

When did this behavior start? Has it gotten worse since you moved in?

Does Bdog act differently when you are not there?

How old was Bdog when your fiancee got her? Where did she get her from?

Has Bdog been to the vet's for a general check up recently, or for anything else? Was a fecal exam done to check for any parasites?