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threadkillin' 6 pack Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA
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You have no idea what kind of dog you have. After everything that everyone has told you, you can still make this ridiculous statement. We have bred the ability to survive in the wild out of this particular breed!!!!!!! We have bred Yorkshire Terriers to be dependent on us!!!!!!! Like it or not, that is the way it is. With that attitude you will never GET IT!!! Sorry Ann....
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Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Peoria, IL, USA
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I'm not sure what you mean about the name dropping. If you are referring to Leno, I'd hardly be worried there could be some issues with that. The program I'm in at school has been invited to go to LA and partake in a tour of his car collection. I was working with the department head on setting up the trip and offering ideas. I'm trying to get my fiance to come out too. She likes cars, but she's worried about spending a little money when we are saving for the wedding. House shopping, no...there isn't time for that right now, but we will be experiencing a change in the schedule I'm in now at the end of December. I was just asking my fiance if she would like to start looking into what kinds of houses so when we do have more time that we can start looking and pricing them. I do know what kind of dog this is, but my statement wasn't ridiculous at all. Dogs may lack in advanced cognitive thought process, but they excel in their natural abilities. Senses of smell and instincts give them a significant advantage over people. You have to remember that these pups were bred and used to kill varmints in mines and such. I can tell you that Coyotes in my area don't kill and eat deer, they get bunnies and field mice and the occasional bird or deer carcass. I don't believe a Yorkie would fend well at high elevation or in rocky terrain, but to think they would wither up and keel over in a week without food is a gross understatement on their abilities to survive. Now, one thing they have not been exposed to is to avoid predators. They continually lose their sense of caution around large birds or larger animals that would do them harm or worse. We didn't breed any animal to be dependent on us. I'm sorry to argue your statement here, but we domesticated and bred animals to serve purposes for us. The bulldog to grab bulls and other farm animals by the snout to help bring down large animals like that. The Australian Cattle Dog was bred for herding. The Chihuahua....well, I can't really answer that one other than I suppose to put them in purses or satchels - hahaha. I do get these dogs and a pretty good idea on what I need to do. Just because I have a belief in the abilities of these dogs doesn't mean that I don't know anything or that I'm a jerk for thinking that way. So I don't think a breed of dog is helpless and 100% dependent on a person...that doesn't change the fact that I know what I should be doing and where to go on the training. It's not like I'm not feeding her because she can catch her own food or not bringing her in the house because she can find her own shelter.... Last edited by Luvdogs2; 11-30-2010 at 08:16 PM. | |
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Luvdogs2, I know my Yorkie hunts mice (rats, neighbor girl's hamster) like a lil mad man, but he only wants to thrash and kill not to eat-he doesn't understand hunting for food, he's the very definition of a lap dog completely dependent upon me and people pleasing-I'm not sure how someone could spend time even a small amount with a Yorkie and not notice how people dependent they are...people pleasers! I'm definitely not a Yorkie expert but I have a Yorkie, Schnorkie and Miniature Schnauzer the difference between the personalities and BREED TRAITS of my Yorkie and Miniature schnauzer are so drastic and they are both terriers. Again time management and effort are the underlying issues here until that's realized there can't be any effort in even taking the steps to start turning this around. I reread just about the whole forum tonight while I was waiting for a phone call and while feeding my dogs just before I had to let them out to go potty and well (wow multitasking) it's just so sad. There's no shame in re-homing a dog it shows that you have the best interests of the dog at heart and are willing to do the right thing verses continuing a cycle that's sad for everyone involved. I'm saying all this because I care, not to make you feel bad or anything else besides genuine concern. | |
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threadkillin' 6 pack Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA
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Please check the name of this forum. Please search this forum for all questions on the breed, history of the breed, care and training of the breed. Spend your time doing that instead of house shopping for a relationship that.....nevermind...rehome the poor dog... people with narcissistic personalities, will say what they need to say to keep the conversation going while they continue to point out why they are right, all from a position of arrogance, which you have done since you arrived here. when she does something right, I would imagine your tone is one of congratulatory condescension....rehome her...six years in a crate...rehome her.... I'm done, I believe I may have actually broken rules for the first time... there is no reasoning with an egoist, therefore, I bow out...
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Action Jackson ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Maryland
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| ![]() I've skimmed this thread and don't really have anything to add. Other than I don't believe Yorkies were bred to be lap dogs. People turn them into lap dogs. They are terriers first and foremost. And no, I do not believe a Yorkie would survive in the wild for very long... simply because of their size alone, but instincts, believe it or not, are still genetically in an animal. Ever seen your dog try to bury a bone? That's instinct. Or dig their 'bed' before they sleep? Instinct. Little instincts are still in our dog every single day and they would come out in an emergency situation. Just wanted to add that little comment, however I am in NO way condoning or in agreement at ALL with the OP.
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| ![]() Huh I read somewhere that Yorkies were first made popular as (they coined the phase lap dogs with them) during the Victorian era, as they were indoor "ratters" that exactly as said before some lady found interesting and thus like the Chinese imperial they were beyond domesticated.Bred for traits of people pleasing and dependence and an extreme want to be the center of attention from people. Amazing that Yorkies are one of the most aggressive breeds! I can see how having a lap dog in the days you actually needed the ratter instinct was appealing-your little snuggler that was multi-functional in jumping down and going crazy on a mouse that might wonder in to the room, kill it and then jump back to their person seeking approval and returning to sitting and continuing petting and grooming... I have a friend who's mother breeds Yorkies in England...I'll try to get an email response from her on the history showing that and I'll post it here for everyone to see, I just went from memory for this but I'm pretty confident as it was what turned me on to the breed in the first place... this isn't the link but read this from here too http://www.dogtraininghut.com/terrie...re-terrier.php "You can say that the Yorkies developed into tough breeds because of their ancestors' reputation as rat-hunters. However, their size, and playful and bright character have actually captured the attention and affection of most pet owners. Most proud owners would boast that they have the great giants inside the bodies of these little dogs. If you want a small but terrible breed of dog, grab a Yorkie now! Just a friendly reminder, they would really need your attention and companionship than any other terriers." Last edited by concretegurl; 11-30-2010 at 09:36 PM. |
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In 1870, a "broken-haired Scotch terrier" was named as a Yorkshire terrier by a reporter. He argued that the breed should be called as such because his types were bred in a town called Yorkshire. Though the Yorkies were originally bred as working dogs, they became fashionable pets is England in the latter part of the Victorian era. In 1972, Yorkies were brought to the United States and became the country's favorite pet. You can say that the Yorkies developed into tough breeds because of their ancestors' reputation as rat-hunters. However, their size, and playful and bright character have actually captured the attention and affection of most pet owners. Most proud owners would boast that they have the great giants inside the bodies of these little dogs. If you want a small but terrible breed of dog, grab a Yorkie now! Just a friendly reminder, they would really need your attention and companionship than any other terriers. Terrier Dogs | The Popular Pet and Lap Dog: Yorkshire Terrier | |
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The Yorkie was created by working men of north England, who developed the breed for catching the terrible rats and mice that infested clothing mills and mine shafts. These hunting dogs could penetrate into badger and fox burrows. The breed is not very old, but its origins are not entirely certain. However, it seems likely that Scotsmen seeking work in the woolen mills of Yorkshire brought with them various types of terrier, including the Skye Terrier, Dandie Dinmont, Manchester Terrier, Maltese and the now extinct Clydesdale. These were then crossed with local types, such as the long- haired Leeds Terrier. At first, the Yorkie was a much bigger animal than the one we see today, but by selectively breeding the smallest individuals, the dog was gradually miniaturized over the years. They were made into a fashion dog. Women carried these little dogs in their bags and under their arms. The Yorkshire Terrier was first recognized by the AKC in 1885.
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I know everyone out there has different opinions and ideas, and it can be awful hard to think about our pets as animals as what they truly are sometimes. Dogs are a carnivore and a similar species as a wolf. Nature and humans have taken regional species and bred them between each other and after thousands of years, we have the separate breeds we see today. When it all comes down to it though, they are hunters and though some are large, others are small and everything in between, they used to hunt for their food and eat their prey. Did you all know that Dalmatians weren't kept at the fire departments because they were cute and they looked good at the firehouses? They were kept there because the volunteer departments didn't have people that slept there at all times so they kept the dalmatians at the houses as guard dogs. Now, I need to give you all an update. Guess who is learning the speak at the door a little better but will go up to the other doors and instead of jumping up on them will sit down and look up to you? Yeah buddy!! She's learning the sit and being a bit more calm. What I'm REALLY impressed with is she's learning "Heel" just about perfect. She still puts some tension on the leash at times, but for the most part she's walking right next to you and there is slack in the leash. She used to just tear down the hallway and just about bottom out her leash (you couldn't stop her or call her back). It's a good thing the apartment door isn't further down the hall or she'd hurt herself. I have a question, does any of you out there with a Yorkie find them kind of grunting or "squealing" like a little pig? Like a grunt through the nose - squealing isn't really the best description. It's pretty cute how she does this...and it's only going in or out of the apartment as we are walking down the hall. I've never seen a dog do this. Last edited by Luvdogs2; 12-01-2010 at 12:33 AM. | |
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Senior Yorkie Talker | ![]() Sounds like you really hate the poor dog - I feel desperately sorry for the animal in this case. Dogs need time, attention, exercise, love, discipline and training to mention only a few. For a man claiming to have 24 years experience in dog handling and training you sure dont know much. And by discipline I think it's pretty disgusting that you could physically hit a small dog like that. Or any animal infact. You should rule by your leadership qualities and control the pack, even if your pack only has one member...not rule by fear. Do you have any idea that hitting an animal, especially one so small, could cause brain damage or broken bones? you admit to hitting the dog in the face. If you are an average sized man weighing 80kgs that means that you are at least FORTY times the dogs size, not to mention strength. Who taught you THAT method in those 24 years of yours?? Someone I loved abused me once...he justified it by saying he never punched me or hit me, but abuse is abuse no matter the level of intensity. the same man claimed he could never hurt me...he hit my dog regularly...then he hurt me...left me black and blue but claimed it wasnt abusive because he only threw me around into things and slapped me a little. It's called denial.... I get upset with my dogs too, but I take their circumstances into account before acting on impulse. Most times they are acting out because they are frustrated or need something from me. And I remember that we communicate in a different way. I have never raised a hand to mine and I have 2 well balanced, YOUNG dogs with manners worth talking about. They are welcome in anyone's home, the are polite, they dont beg, they do their business outside 99% of the time which i am personally happy with, and they wear big happy grins on their faces every day. I treat them with love and kindness. And in the long run I bought them and that means that i knowingly took on a responsibilty to love them and care for them for the rest of their lives. The same way you did when you KNOWINGLY started to date your fiance who KNOWINGLY bought the dog. If you dont have the time to walk the dog then you should pay someone to take him out daily. or get up earlier than normal and walk him. I walk mine at 4:30am so that im home early enough to feed them, play with them, make sure they have everything they need for the day and then i go to work. during which time they are either at home playing safely in a yard and the neighbour kindly checks on them, or they go to my parents house for a play date and social time with her dogs. Dogs cant be cooped up, ALONE all day every day and be expected to be well balanced. If you and your fiance are never at home and arent willing to make small changes to your lifestyle to include and help the dog then the dog should be placed in a home that will give him what he needs physically, emotionally, educationally and devote their time to him as a responsible dog owner. Perhaps you should watch those programs by Cesar Milan - he trains people...you need training. you might think you have spent 24 years training dogs but you have forgotten about training yourself on how to behave. You're the "big tough human" who rules the house by fear and picks on those who are weaker. Your fiance (who apparently is "THE fiance - how rude! you speak of her and the dog in the same third party manner. If i read your post i would be really insulted) can rehabilitate the dog. Remember she had the dog before she had you - if my fiance laid a hand on any of my animals or me in rage and anger I would throw him out. I dont stand for animal abuse of any kind. You worry about the dog biting your kid...I worry about you flying into a rage and hitting your child like you do the dog...because with children you have ZERO years experience...that's 24 less than you have with dogs and you sure arent great there! by the time you have 24 years experience with kids your kids will be treating their pets and kids the same way as you do. YES, the dog needs some discipline and some guidance - it is like a child who has never been educated. Would you slap your child in anger when you have never taught him or her how to behave? Dogs often bite out of fear. Can the dog see properly through the hair on it's face??? are his eyes ok? is he fearful? he wont bite for no reason! You have to remember that dogs are intelligent, emotional animals that dont respond to anger and violence. if i was to live in a crate day in and day out with no exercise and i had to urinate and defecate where i ate i would bite you too. i also got the odd hiding as a child, but NEVER out of anger - that's my point. it was never a reflex to turn around and hit me because i misbehaved. My parents would discipline me when we got home, never in public, talk about what i had done and guide me the right way. If i had been promised a hiding i got one, not with a belt!and when I had done well i was rewarded...do you ever once stop and reward your dog when he/she (or IT!) has done something good? do you give him a treat when he does get out his crate and go potty outside? Here's hoping that you find the dog a good home where someone will devote time to him and help him learn. There will be plenty of people on this site willing to take the dog from you and rehabilitate him im sure. If i didnt live on the other side of the world i would give him a home. Your fiance may spoil the dog by feeding it too much but im sure she feels she is doing the right thing OUT OF LIVE. maybe she needs a little guidance but not everyone knows everything. You on the other hand need some serious help. All JMHO of course - my day however is ruined and I will probably spend days wondering about how this poor little dog is being treated. Shame, I often look at my dogs and think how lucky they are to be in such a loving home, as am I, with a man who loves us, respects us and doesnt slap us around. If I was your fiance i wouldnt let YOU into the house...the dog would sleep in the bed! I feel better getting that off my chest in the dog's defense!!!!!
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WOWEEE!!! all humans in the house need to be pack leaders - a dog cant only have ONE person it responds and listens to. you really are clueless. This poor dog stands no chance in YOUR home. Your aggression is "over the fence" and then your justification of your statement is just crazy...I cant even comment - this post is making me more and more angry ![]()
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Senior Yorkie Talker | ![]() Is it shame? Do you think some crazy bunch of Yorkie lovers might ambush your house and save your dog from the life it leads? What should we call you? "The Boss"????
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2. Getting on the table or into things and tearing them up. - Frustration and attention seeking in my opinion. Mine sneak their jerseys and toys off the coffee table too which is naughty but then i bring them back to basics and give them something else to do in its place. Remember firm but kind, aim the dog away from bad behaviour and towards something good rather. 3. Biting - probably a defense mechanism to you hitting her - eye problems can also be a legitimate problem causing fear. A dog that can't see or has hair across it's face can be snappy and scared. 4. Growling and snapping inside the kennel when I walk by to go to bed. - I would also do the same thing to you because that is what you do to her. you "bark" and "snap" at him/her and lash out in anger.
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