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Old 11-20-2010, 10:41 AM   #1
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So far in the last two days Piper has squatted and peed RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME with no warning at all on my couch and my bed.

My husband is done with her and wants her out. Heck, I am almost to that point too.

I am SO over this. We have company coming for a wedding the first of Jan and I CANNOT have this dog peeing all over everything. She is crate trained, she WAS pad trained. We put her in a pen with a pad only every few hours and all she does is stare at us.

I am about to find her a new home. I love her, but I cannot tolerate this.

So, go ahead and lecture me about how an animal is a lifelong commitment. Yea, I get that...hence my paying $4000 to save my great dane's life two months ago.
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I can't tell if you are seriously considering re-homing her or not. It would be really sad to miss out on ten years of joy because of four months of potty training.

As with all undesirable dog behavior, it's a balance between training and management. If she is not trained by the day you will have company over, you can either keep her confined in an xpen, find a dogsitter, or perhaps send her to daycare for the day.

If she was trained and now she is not, perhaps she uas a UTI? That's the first thing to consider if potty habits change suddenly.

Otherwise... I have a feeling you know what I'm going to say. If you cannot watch her with both eyes, she needs to be confined. Don't give her the chance to fail.
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I am absolutely shocked at your post. You and I have PMd on many occasions about our dogs and other things as well and I thought I knew you, at least in the online sense. Actually, no, I'm not shocked. I'm completely appalled.

My Max pees and poops all over the house. Potty training stinks, but we'll get there. If it takes 2 years, we'll get there. Heck, I sure would choose him over company, but maybe that's me. I'm sure there are many options for the day company comes, however.

There's obviously a reason she's doing this. Perhaps medical...perhaps behavioral. What's the reason for the post? Seeking advice or a new home for Piper.

I have never responded to a post in this manner.
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I went back and read some of your earlier posts. I think you need to reasses your potty training strategy. Yorkies can be *extremely* difficult to train.

There are several different methods, and approximately 1,000,000 threads here on each one of them. It sounds like she is at least partially crate trained, so you can go from there.

Here's what worked with Thor: I would not let him out of his crate until he used the potty pad. If he didn't use it, he went back into the crate for fifteen minutes, and then we tried again. Once he used it, I would play with him in a small area. I gradually expanded his area as he proved reliable. If I gave him access to a new room and he peed in it, I restricted the area again. Now he has free run of my apartment (~1100 sq feet), with two potty pads.

Also, whenever he went potty on his pad, he got lots of praise and a great treat.
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I have read tons of sights on potty training so I do have Ideas. I may have to go to the crate confinement. I will also have to take her in for a urine check.

I love her as does my daughter. I do not want to give her away....I want her to be a part if the family. She was not 2 feet away from me when she peed on the bed and she was sitting right next to me when she Peed on the couch. On the bed she was playing with the dane, stopped, Peed, looked at me and kept playing. I immediately told her no! And put her in confinement with a pad while I cleaned.

She hits the pad about 60% now. She always hits it first thing in the morning. She very rarely poops on the pad now.

As for the attitude towards my post....Ahh, so be it. I am frustrated and annoyed. I vented. I will not have my inlaws dealing with this. If she cannot get It she will be confined.
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Well, keep in mind that she is not trying to spite you. If she is peeing in front of you:

1. She has a UTI.
2. She doesn't know any better.

Potty training is 100 percent the human's responsibility. If she messes up, that means you messed up. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Potty training can be incredibly frustrating, but it's not like she's peeing molten lava. Accidents are stinky, dirty, gross, and extremely easy to detect and clean.

If you haven't already, get a cheap black light (a pet boutique will probably carry it), and an enzyme cleaner. I swear by Nature's Miracle. Make sure to thoroughly clean up any accidents she has, or the scent may prompt her to strike again.
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I don't know your situation or prior threads; but if pad training does not work; have you considered outdoor training?

All of my dogs have done so much better with going outside as opposed to a pad.

Course, I have a fenced yard and that makes it a whole lot easier.

I will say that I practically have to throw Lucy out of the house; she never wants to go outside even when Ringo is out there. But, if I don't, and allow her to go too long without putting her out ~ she will have an accident. We just moved to a new house; I no longer work from home; and my 89 y/o father takes care of them during the day. She has regressed when she is no longer under my watchful eye.
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We tried outside when we first got her and she has never Peed out there....ever. She likes to go out but she just will not pee. crazy dog! I may try It again, but she could easily get out of our yard so I will have to be out there with her.
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I was thinking about things and I think this behavior started around the time we started putting her in her crate while we are gone. Prior to this we would leave her out with the dane in the living room/kitchen. I decided to crate her so that 1: she would get used to the crate for longer periods and 2: she wouldn't eat her poop or the kids things.

Maybe I should try leaving her out again and just clean the area from all chew type things before we go?

On a side note, she clawed her way out of her pen (there goes $50 down the drain) and was running free when my husband got home. Incidentally, while out, she peed and pooped on the pad (and didn't eat the poop).
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Are you totally positive she wasn't peeing or pooping while left free? Small dogs = small puddles = quickly absorbed into rugs. Also, she or the dane may have eaten her poop.

How long are you crating her for? As a rule, more freedom means less reliable pottying, but you never know, I guess.
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Yea, hers are easy to see on our carpet and there was a recent wet spot/fresh poop on the pad.

She has been peeing often on the upstairs landing....despite my saturating the area in Natures Miracle and running the deep cleaner over the area. So, I took a pad and put it out of the way on the landing. Less than on hour later she has peed on it.

So now she has a pad in the living room, pad on the landing, and a pad in our bedroom.
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A few things from a fellow big dog/small dog owner.

1. How long has this been going on or has it only been the 2 times? My Piper had a horrible 2 week span. I didn't know what the h*ll was going on with her. She would also just pee- where ever, when ever. Finally one day it just stopped again.

2. I would suggest (even though may be more work) outside training. She sees your Dane go out. Try bell training. This way you know when she needs to go.

3. It is really different potty training a big dog vs. a small dog. Duke can hold it for hours and hours, Piper if running around can't hold it very long and when she needs to go, she needs to go. If we don't let her out within a minute or so when she rings the bells, she will pee by the door.

4. Try an x-pen. That way she can see your Dane and even interact with him a little, but is still confined.

I really do feel your pain, as it is so very different with a large dog vs a small dog. (My mom calls Piper, pee pee Piper, or pee pee for short, because of the first few times I took her to my parents)

If nothing else, start ALL over. Confine in a crate at all times if you can't watch her. Tie the leash to you.

If nothing else, stick a diaper on her I've done that as well when we first went to my parents.
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How old is Piper?

I brought Poppy home at 6 weeks old and started to pad train her straight away, after about 2 months she would go to the pad all by herself to potty.
Then when she hit around 5 months old she started to ignore the pad all together and go else where in the house.
Because of that I started to train her to go outside, and crate her at night.
She has done so much better because of this so I do think dogs have a preference.
Poppy had gone without an accident in the house for around 3 weeks, then on Saturday she pooped in the house twice. Needless to say I was very dissapointed.
BUT she has been loosing her baby teeth so her adult teeth are coming through, I am hoping that she has had this set back because of her teething again.
Which is why I ask how old is Piper? it could well be that she is teething too.
If it is none of these things I too think you should take her to a vet to rule out a UTI.
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Thanks Poochie and Rachel!

Piper just turned 10 months old last week. The weather right now is great so I am going to start letting her have more outside time and I may set the pen up out there again as suggested by Poochie. She really loves it outside, maybe she will adjust to peeing out there now.

She has been peeing anywhere and everywhere for about 2-3 weeks now. I thought she was just having a few accidents but with it dragging on it is killing me! I have started making her sleep in her crate again at night. She was actually doing great with night training but this way I can put her in the pen with the pad first thing in the morning and praise the crap outta her when she goes.

This is why I titled the thread 'venting'. I know she will get it again and I am not going to give her away. I am just so frustrated and antsy to get her back on track before my husbands aunt/uncle/cousins come to spend a week with us. I would seriously be mortified if she peed on their bed or clothing.
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Thanks Poochie and Rachel!

Piper just turned 10 months old last week. The weather right now is great so I am going to start letting her have more outside time and I may set the pen up out there again as suggested by Poochie. She really loves it outside, maybe she will adjust to peeing out there now.

She has been peeing anywhere and everywhere for about 2-3 weeks now. I thought she was just having a few accidents but with it dragging on it is killing me! I have started making her sleep in her crate again at night. She was actually doing great with night training but this way I can put her in the pen with the pad first thing in the morning and praise the crap outta her when she goes.

This is why I titled the thread 'venting'. I know she will get it again and I am not going to give her away. I am just so frustrated and antsy to get her back on track before my husbands aunt/uncle/cousins come to spend a week with us. I would seriously be mortified if she peed on their bed or clothing.
Don't be afraid to crate her during the day as well. Also keep a leash on her and attach it t you so that you will know if she goes somewhere she is not supposed to go.

It will work. Good luck!
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