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07-01-2009, 06:34 PM | #1 |
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| Will work for treats ONLY! Libbie is a great dog but only when she wants so be. She knows the simple commands like sit, stay, down and roll. But when I don't have treats she will NOT do it unless shes getting something out of it. What can I do to break that? Sometimes I just want her to sit w/o me always giving her treats. She would be 6 months on July 11th. The come command is sooo hard for me. She again...only comes when I give her treats. Once she gets is she'll start running away with it. When I'm outside with her in my fenced back yard I let her roam free with out using a leash. She has escape through the crack in the fence two times. She start running and when I tell her to come she won't. WHen I walk towards her she'll start running. The only way to catch her is if I trap her or have someone help me get her. I don't know what I'm doing wrong! please HELP!
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07-01-2009, 06:49 PM | #2 |
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| In order for her to come and not immediately run away you could pair it with a sit. I'm having similar issues with Bandit. He'll do most commands without treats, but I have to 'trick' him. We have a contract with Bark Busters and the trainer will be coming again next Thursday to help us work on coming and barking at people who come into the house. Good luck, and I hope that helps with the come. I'll let you know if the trainer gives me any other good ideas |
07-01-2009, 07:07 PM | #3 |
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| I havent went through that.. I started with treats at first and then every other time I would give her a treat. They have such personalities....
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07-01-2009, 10:40 PM | #4 |
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| OMG yes they do have such personalities. lol. Yes please do give me some tips. I was going to get her a trainer to but I recently lost my job so I don't even have extra money for that....not yet at least.
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07-02-2009, 01:15 AM | #5 |
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| Hiya One of the important things I had drummed into me at training classes was never to treat until you have touched their harness (or collar). Let them smell the treat, touch or hold their harness, treat, then let go. Every time they are recalled, they should be touched on their harness before treating. If every time you reach for the harness, it is to put them back on leash (restraint), they will quickly learn that it is going to end their free running if they allow you near the harness, so it's important to ensure they never make the association between touching the harness, and being restrained. Touching the harness at every single recall, and recalling several times during a walk, helps prevent this association. Pairing the recall with a sit is the next step after a recall (in the UK this is part of the silver award in the Good Citizen Dog Scheme – recall alone is the bronze award). They need to learn that replying to a recall is the correct behaviour but, if you recall, then ask your dog to sit, then treat, she or he thinks the treat is a reward for the sit, not the recall, and the actual recall would (in the dog's eyes) have gone unrewarded. So the recall should be learned first before it's paired with a sit. It might be worth trying this method I can't take any credit for it, but using this technique, my own dog has 100% success rate with recall, so it might just work for yours I hope it goes well for you! If your trainer has any other suggestions, I'd be interested to hear how he does it! Last edited by allyboo; 07-02-2009 at 01:17 AM. |
07-02-2009, 03:05 AM | #6 | |
Yorkie Yakker | OMG Jada doese the same thing.Can someone please tell us what to do. Im totally lost Quote:
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07-02-2009, 04:12 AM | #7 |
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| i am a little bit confused. you have two questions right? one is how to get your dog to do something without getting a treat. and the other one is emergency recall. ok, i dont really know the answer to the emergency recall, the only thing i know about that is sometimes asking a dog to come back to you during an emergency is too hard, because it requires 3 steps. the dog has to 1)stop 2)turn around 3)come back to you. that is actually a lot of steps in an emergency. so the best thing to do if you need your dog to stop running away is to use DOWN commend. because it is a simple ONE STEP command. and it stops your dog from getting further away from you. i practice this with milu often. when she is running around playing, i will say DOWN suddenly, and she will do it, and i will treat her. just to make sure she remembers to do it all the time. as for the only doing commands for treats. i personally really don't think it's a bad thing. i mean, a dog getting a treat for following a command is really kind of like you completing a task you boss ask you to do and getting paid for doing the work. i really don't think it's a bad thing to reward with treats (just make sure you get healthy treats) if you must take away her treats (remember, how would YOU like to do things for your boss without getting paid? ) then maybe you can try this. use YES as a key word, everytime your puppy does something, say YES (every single time) and then give her a treat. just keep doing this. always give her a treat after you say YES. try to have her think "yes = treats" i am not sure if this will work or not, but i am thinking about trying this. but like i said, i do like to reward her with treats for following commands. i think it's a good thing to do that. because i wouldn't want to do something without getting paid either!
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07-02-2009, 08:16 AM | #8 | |
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07-02-2009, 08:25 AM | #9 | |
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i always treat milu, and i am always fair. so now she trusts me. i don't always have treats with me, and sometimes i am busy, and cant get her a treat right the way. but she has learned to understand the word wait. i will praise her for doing whatever good thing she did, and say "wait ok?" and she will be okay with that. and of course i always always treat her as soon as i can get a hold of some treats. i will try to explain to her what she is getting the treat for. i will say "good wait" give a treat, and then i will say "good potty" (or whatever) and give her a treat. in case she had forgotten what she was getting the treat for. hehe
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07-02-2009, 09:15 AM | #10 |
Thor's Human Donating Member | I am struggling with this too. I have several suggested strategies, with the caveat that they are not working that well for me: * I think the classic advice is to try not to give commands you can't enforce. If you tell your dog to Sit and he doesn't, gently push his hindquarters down until he does. Teach him that commands are not optional. * I think the newer advice is that your dog may need to perform a command hundreds of times before it comes automatic. Just keep working at it. This is paired with... * Random rewards. Supposedly rewards given at random are actually much more powerful motivators than steady ones. When you are teaching a new command, you need to treat reliably to guide the dog, but once he gets it, only give treats every so often, and unpredictably. Finally... * Some people say there is a difference between rewarding your dog and bribing him. Bribing is when you have the treat already in your hand when you give the command. Try to make it less clear when you will give him a reward - maybe have the treat bag near you, but don't open it and give him a treat until he does the command. I always have treats in my purse, so Thor always has a chance I'll give him a treat. * Try switching out rewards. For instance, I make Thor sit before I'll take off his leash, or before he gets his dinner. Also.... * Try effusive praise when he obeys a command without demanding a treat first. Hey, one of these has to work.
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07-02-2009, 09:26 AM | #11 |
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| ok. i really don't understand why you guys are all trying to take the treats out of the equation? i think i need to be the yorkie's union leader or spokesperson! i say that they should be given a treat each time a command is obeyed!!!! if you don't give a treat, you are violating the yorkie labor union laws. and the fine will be steak! seriously, why are you guys having an issue with giving them treats?
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07-02-2009, 10:20 AM | #12 | |
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I always give a treat if I am home and have one available. After 5 years of keeping up with training they will 'come' to me when I call them when they are running after a bunny, barking at a dog or neighbor in the back yard. They know I will take them inside and give them a small treat. I have trained Daisy that when I say 'come' and hold my hands out she will walk into my hands. She was the escape artist in the family and I really needed to get her to obey the 'come' command because of her getting loose and running into the street. It took a loooong time but she will come to me now because she knows she gets a treat. Recently she got out of the yard and started chasing a bunny towards the street and I yelled Daisy 'stop'. I was amazed to see her stop immediately where she was free to run off, and come back to me. I didn't have a treat but I praise her immensely. I never thought I would see that day, I almost cried. They obey me at the park and Petsmart without any treats. I don't know if I used the best training methods but I am so happy that with repetition over the years they are finally obeying me pretty well.
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07-02-2009, 12:22 PM | #13 |
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| I'll defiantly the YES thing with her! But the main things is..... when I do not have a treat and tell her to do a command she will not budge. But when I do have a treat in my had...or a fake treat she'll do it right away. I used to think that maybe she doesn't really know what the command was. But she does cause she does it right every time I have a treat in my hand. When I don't she'll just look at me with her puppy eyes. ??
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07-02-2009, 05:58 PM | #14 |
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| Try woeking through it so that she starts working two of a comand as in sit twice or a down sit before a treat then expand to three things. What you want to do is go from a treat each request to random reifocement to non as fast as you can so the treat is a tool and a pay cheque ( check) not a bribe. JL
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