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Old 10-12-2008, 07:52 AM   #1
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Ok, So paddy is nearly fully outdoor trained. I say nearly b/c now that we've moved he is having accidents. Even though we take him out three or more times per day for some reason he decided to mark in the bathroom one day the second week we were here. Now if we wait just a little too long to take him out he thinks its ok to go in there. I know a lot of the time it is our fault so I don't blame him when it is but since he is doing it both whether he get outside or not I need some suggestions.

I've cleaned the area with tons of eliminate every time and that hasn't seemed to curb it.
I can't imagine we'll be able to ensure the door is closed all the time b/c b/w me and my hubby going in and out i don't think it'll happen. Plus hubby is home most of the day and he really sucks at remembering lol.

What I really want to do is catch him in the act so I can correct him but he is so slick and only seems to do it when we're not paying attn. I am waiting to take him out today until I catch him trying lol.

Should I go back to crate training 101??
let me know what you think.
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DO not punish him even if you catch him.
You can go stop to interrupt the pee and run him outside and reward him a great deal.
But punishment only wreaks your loving relationship with him. Teaches him not to trust you. Teaches him to hide the peeing from you as you are scary.

Yes go back to teaching him the way you first had success as dogs do not generalize so peeing outside and going to the door to ask in the old house is not the same as in the new house and must be taught all over again.

Once he is outside go with him and give him a treat of a pat or kind words or food as soon as he is DONE doing his business not before or you could stop him from finishing his business.

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DO not punish him even if you catch him.
You can go stop to interrupt the pee and run him outside and reward him a great deal.
But punishment only wreaks your loving relationship with him. Teaches him not to trust you. Teaches him to hide the peeing from you as you are scary.

Yes go back to teaching him the way you first had success as dogs do not generalize so peeing outside and going to the door to ask in the old house is not the same as in the new house and must be taught all over again.

Once he is outside go with him and give him a treat of a pat or kind words or food as soon as he is DONE doing his business not before or you could stop him from finishing his business.

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by correction i mean to stop him from peeing and take him outside to pee and praise him when he did . I wasn't planning on smacking him over the head with newspaper or rubbing his nose in the pee or anything like that. Correction does not equal harsh punishment to me. It means telling him what he did was not right and showing him/praising him for the correct behavior.
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by correction i mean to stop him from peeing and take him outside to pee and praise him when he did . I wasn't planning on smacking him over the head with newspaper or rubbing his nose in the pee or anything like that. Correction does not equal harsh punishment to me. It means telling him what he did was not right and showing him/praising him for the correct behavior.
"What I really want to do is catch him in the act so I can correct him but he is so slick and only seems to do it when we're not paying attn. I am waiting to take him out today until I catch him trying lol. "

Correction is punishment in training terms... talking with a trainer here so in my sisters words.. Be specific.. be as clear and as detailed as possible and then we can guide.
Teaching is catching them doing and being good and reinforcing that you like.

Correction was nothing to do with how you see it or what you do to the dog it is what they see and what they feel that makes it a punishment and a bad thing... look at Ceser he just grr and pokes that punishemnt and rolls and zaps, another can just look at a dog and man the dog melts, I if a dog does wrong walk away because my lack of contact is enough for my dogs to know they goofed and it is only used very rarely....it is up to and only what a dog thinks is corrcetion and punishemnt not me or you.

If he is hiding it than he is worried. So make it a non event and ignore it and clean it up when he is out of sight and try and get him out before he was another accident.
If you acting all up set and fussing he has peed inside again that is punishment enough to make him hide. In his world..My mother acts crazy if I pee.. .how is he to know it is only inside and no where else.

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"What I really want to do is catch him in the act so I can correct him but he is so slick and only seems to do it when we're not paying attn. I am waiting to take him out today until I catch him trying lol. "

Correction is punishment in training terms... talking with a trainer here so in my sisters words.. Be specific.. be as clear and as detailed as possible and then we can guide.
Teaching is catching them doing and being good and reinforcing that you like.

Correction was nothing to do with how you see it or what you do to the dog it is what they see and what they feel that makes it a punishment and a bad thing... look at Ceser he just grr and pokes that punishemnt and rolls and zaps, another can just look at a dog and man the dog melts, I if a dog does wrong walk away because my lack of contact is enough for my dogs to know they goofed and it is only used very rarely....it is up to and only what a dog thinks is corrcetion and punishemnt not me or you.

If he is hiding it than he is worried. So make it a non event and ignore it and clean it up when he is out of sight and try and get him out before he was another accident.
If you acting all up set and fussing he has peed inside again that is punishment enough to make him hide. In his world..My mother acts crazy if I pee.. .how is he to know it is only inside and no where else.

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oy, this is why i usually avoid posting stuff like this. I'm not punishing my dog and just because i call it a "correction" does not mean it is done in a negative way. I never said anywhere in my post that I was screaming at him or making a fuss. He usually has no idea I am even cleaning up his messes. All i wanted was advice not an argument over methods. I happen to like the dog whisperer so I'm sure we wouldn't agree on much in terms of dog training anyway. Thanks, I think I'll handle it on my own from here on out.
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oy, this is why i usually avoid posting stuff like this. I'm not punishing my dog and just because i call it a "correction" does not mean it is done in a negative way. I never said anywhere in my post that I was screaming at him or making a fuss. He usually has no idea I am even cleaning up his messes. All i wanted was advice not an argument over methods. I happen to like the dog whisperer so I'm sure we wouldn't agree on much in terms of dog training anyway. Thanks, I think I'll handle it on my own from here on out.
I understood what you meant by correct. As in let him know it is not appropriate. I usually clap my hands and say NO to startle them so they stop. It does not make them fear me.

No to address the issue. New house New rules. Just because they are trained in one house, or even in one room does not mean they are trained in all houses or in all rooms.

You might need to go back to crate training or at least restrict the areas that he is allowed to roam in.
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I understood what you meant by correct. As in let him know it is not appropriate. I usually clap my hands and say NO to startle them so they stop. It does not make them fear me.

No to address the issue. New house New rules. Just because they are trained in one house, or even in one room does not mean they are trained in all houses or in all rooms.

You might need to go back to crate training or at least restrict the areas that he is allowed to roam in.
Thank you! I swear my dog isn't afraid of me. All I meant was I would pick him up and say no calmly but firmly to stop the peeing..take him outside so he sees where it is appropriate to pee. Just like i did when i first taught him.
I was aware of the new house new rules, and we crated him when we first got here. I think I should have just made more of the apt off limits during free time. You wouldn't think a 1 bedroom apt would be too big but for a yorkie it is. I'm definitely going to go back to step one.

What I don't get is if you block off an area how do you know when to unblock it? I feel like if he isn't specifically told its wrong to pee there wouldn't he just go right back in as soon as we moved the barricade?
I don't want to have to step over a fence to get into the bathroom for the rest of my life. I'd probably break my neck in the middle of the night.
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oy, this is why i usually avoid posting stuff like this. I'm not punishing my dog and just because i call it a "correction" does not mean it is done in a negative way. I never said anywhere in my post that I was screaming at him or making a fuss. He usually has no idea I am even cleaning up his messes. All i wanted was advice not an argument over methods. I happen to like the dog whisperer so I'm sure we wouldn't agree on much in terms of dog training anyway. Thanks, I think I'll handle it on my own from here on out.

Take a breathe.

I never said you had done anything wrong I was pointing out that if you react to the dogs mistake even by grr under your breath, your body tense and some dogs are just that sensitive and that is enough to cause them to sneak around.
I giving advice as it not what you deem right or what you need that is fine.

You said he hides his inside peeing that tells a professional trainer he is hiding cause he is scared so your job is to figure out of what.
Or not.

Your not going to get a quick fix unless you get to why he hides it and he learns it ok to pee even infront of you.
I had one that I got second hand that ran away and pee... it will now when ill toss its cookie and pee infront of me in the house and not run.. it gives me a clean that up would you..... I may grrr in my head but I breath through it and get it cleaned up and once well outside peeing and pooing continues.
Just like to add that with being as sensitive to this as you are he is too.
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I understood what you meant by correct. As in let him know it is not appropriate. I usually clap my hands and say NO to startle them so they stop. It does not make them fear me.

No to address the issue. New house New rules. Just because they are trained in one house, or even in one room does not mean they are trained in all houses or in all rooms.

You might need to go back to crate training or at least restrict the areas that he is allowed to roam in.
I pretty much said that in the first post I made to this thread.

"Yes go back to teaching him the way you first had success as dogs do not generalize so peeing outside and going to the door to ask in the old house is not the same as in the new house and must be taught all over again."


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After moving, many dogs have set backs. I not sure what Eliminate is, is it an enzyme cleaner like Nature's Miracle? You need an enzyme cleaner to get rid of the protein that causes a dog to return to the spot. If you have a black light you might be surprised, on how many urines stains will show up in a bathroom. I've read that Odoban is great on hard surfaces. Depending on the flooring, if the urine get into the grout, of ceramic tiles, this can be especially tricky to deal with. Remember too, that enzyme cleaners take "time" to work; the area most be left wet, and the enzymes, which are really a "good" bacteria, eat the protein in the urine, but this takes some time. Also, after a through cleaning, grout should be sealed so that nothing can penetrate, a step too many contractors overlook because it should be done 30 days after grout has cured.

The reason we block off in area is that a dog is always fairly close to a pee pad. If your not using those, I recommend crate training, and taking him outside every hour or so, only letting him play outside the crate for a few minutes after he has peed outside. During this playtime he should be carefully supervised, and the only time they should be free to roam is when you can watch them carefully and notice any signs that looks like he's starting to pee, at this point you can pick him up and place him on a pad, or take him outside. With some dogs this is very hard to catch though, it seems they like their privacy, and go when you're not looking. I've owned many dogs, who even on walks when they lift their leg, they would look in my direction, and seemed to prefer it if I looked away. I don't think this means that they were scared of me, I think of it as them liking their privacy.
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Eliminate is an enzymatic cleaner made by Vets Choice. I think its only sold in NY where I just moved from. I put it on the whole area he peed on and the edge of the toilet, let it sit for 30 minutes and then wiped. I think my paddy likes his privacy too!
I used pee pads when he was puppy but we haven't for awhile now. I got him trained out doors only despite living in a 5 floor walk up so I think I should be able to do it here. Just trying to decide on the best option. I'm leaning twd recrating or otherwise limiting freedom as opposed to blocking the bathroom b/c i don't think that will work.
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Eliminate is an enzymatic cleaner made by Vets Choice. I think its only sold in NY where I just moved from. I put it on the whole area he peed on and the edge of the toilet, let it sit for 30 minutes and then wiped. I think my paddy likes his privacy too!
I used pee pads when he was puppy but we haven't for awhile now. I got him trained out doors only despite living in a 5 floor walk up so I think I should be able to do it here. Just trying to decide on the best option. I'm leaning twd recrating or otherwise limiting freedom as opposed to blocking the bathroom b/c i don't think that will work.
I think I would be tempted to put a pad in the bathroom. I swear I love the pads, so convenient, and they can go when they want. Others who have said they have had difficulty after moving, say that in a couple of weeks, it clears up. Best of luck with this.
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