Judy Marksbury- Show Breeder

[Yorkiemom1]

While you are reporting this to all these different organizations, please do NOT forget the BBB!!!!!!! They are there for a reason, and she is a member!!! They may not be able to do anything because technically, she has honored her contract......You know I do not personally agree with this method of sticking to a contract, especially given all the circumstances.....in this case, she has said, "A contract is made for a reason", and I think in this case, she is using it as an excuse to not be put out any money or trouble.....karma is a "biotch", and she will find that out.....

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by gemy

9) Breeders will provide puppy buyers with written details of feeding, general care, date and types of a minimum of two (2) inoculations, as well as dates of wormings, grooming instructions, etc. and be available to offer future advice as needed.

Bare with me for a moment. I have copied extracts of what I feel is pertinent in this situation from www.ytca.org code of ethics, I have also copied the email response from the breeder in question.

First I believe if you wish a complaint can be made to ytca as she is a breeder member.

I have not found on the cerf database where any of her breeding dogs are listed as to being tested. I can better confirm this if you send to me the Registered names of both parents. Or you can look this up yourself.

If she has not tested either of these two dogs prior to breeding them together she is contravention of one of the codes of ethics.

If either of these two dogs are not AKC registered and or not registered with an acceptable foreign registry, then again she is in contravention of a code of ethics.

If this disease is indeed autosomal dominant (which I still can't verify), she is definitely in contravention of a code of ethic. How-ever your opthamologist can confirm the diagnosis.

Secondly it is hard to fathom how she would not notice and her vet would not notice this infection, on your pups last wellness exam prior to releasing him to your care.
So the question what is the date of his last examination on the health record you received from her vet? And can you confirm he has had 2 sets of inoculations.

All dogs sold to future owners should be health cleared first through the breeders vet, and then secondly through your own vet.

Gemy,

I sent you Maxwell's Sire & Dam information in a private message this morning, but I will post it here as well.

Sire:PELLERD-ORE TOP GUN
TR66899601 (2-09) BL & TN NONE (HUN)
AKC DNA #V484482

Dam:POTRAITS TREASURE O PELLERDORE
TR60763901 (8-09) BL & GLD

Why is the AKC DNA on the pedigree?

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

I have not been on here in some months....I am so very sorry you and Max are going through this....I sit here in tears reading this. Sheila I pray for you and Max to get well and some much needed relief....
A show breeder....well to that I say....I cant say what I really want to say....this is awful...I knew there were uncaring people in the world, but this person is beyond words, I will never understand how someone can watch a little one suffer with whatever ailments...if one of mine sneezes im off to the vet...this breeder reneged on her responsibility to the babies she brought into the world...what would become of him if he is returned to her...I personally believe nothing that comes out of her mouth, based on this thread. JMO.
Sheila take care of yourself, you and Max need each other. (((HUGGZZ)))

I hadn't been here in a very long time either. After my little Kia died so suddenly in my hands, on February 28th, I went into a severe depression. My MS progressed.....I didn't leave my bedroom for 3 months. And I didn't leave the house for 6 months, other than to go to the doctors or the hospital for tests.

Everyone thought a new puppy would help me. So finally at the end of August I contacted this Show breeder. Each of my 3 beautiful girls had come from such wonderful, caring Show breeders, and when I spoke with her on the phone, she genuinely seemed to understand my depression, my grief....promised me that my puppy would have a thorough Vet exam.`

We made two trips to see the puppies. They were so afraid, huddled in one corner of the x-pen, and she said they had never been in the office before, but she had remodeling going on in the house.

So, I wasn't really able to really see their personalities, and I didn't want to frighten them, by picking them up. But at one point, I did pick up Maxwell, and he cuddled against my chest so sweetly, and it just melted my heart.

Judy was so nice. My husband has to help me out of our Jeep Grand Cherokee, and she came out and helped him walk me up the stairs to the office of her boarding kennel.

She and I exchanged many, many e-mails and I truly wanted to believe that she didn't know he had this condition, but a Vet wouldn't have missed yeast infections in a puppy's ears, or a bacterial infection in his eye, or Giardia.

The stress of his diagnosis of Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, has caused my MS to progress to the point, that I can't even sit on the floor to play with him. My husband piles lots of pillows in my bed to support me, and he brings Maxwell in to visit me.

Thank you so much for your prayers for Maxwell and I.

I am truly worried about his Vet appt. tomorrow.

(((HUGS)))

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

Maybe you should have your vet email them to her and to her vet. Maybe a consult between the two vets are in order.

I told my husband that this morning, and he said, "Do you really think Maxwell has ever been to a Vet, before we took him to our Vet?"

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

While you are reporting this to all these different organizations, please do NOT forget the BBB!!!!!!! They are there for a reason, and she is a member!!! They may not be able to do anything because technically, she has honored her contract......You know I do not personally agree with this method of sticking to a contract, especially given all the circumstances.....in this case, she has said, "A contract is made for a reason", and I think in this case, she is using it as an excuse to not be put out any money or trouble.....karma is a "biotch", and she will find that out.....

Oh, I promise, I will NOT forget to report her to the BBB. They may not be able to do anything, but at the very least, it will be on they site.

She wrote her contract to protect herself, not her puppies.

And yet, karma is a "biotch". My Mother always used to say, "What goes around, comes around".

[theporkieyorkie]

Maybe you and Maxwell found each other for a reason...you both need each other. You need him to help you get through your illness and he needs you to help him through his.

Who knows what would have happened to him had someone else adopted him. Would they have taken him to the vet right away to even know he was sick?? Would they have wanted or been able to do the surgery?? Who knows what would have happened if the breeder had said yes to returning him for a refund when you originally ask for it...would she have got him medical help?? Would she just put him to sleep, or would she just adopt him out to some other unsuspecting person?? Had anything happened differently....who knows what the fate of this little guy would be.


Try not to stress out too much and let the powers that be(AKC, YTCA, and the BBB) take care of the breeder. The show/breeding community isn't very big and world will travel fast about the way she's handled everything.

I am hoping you get some good news tomorrow on Max's condition. Hopefully, it hasn't impacted his other eye yet. I am sure once you get him through this trying time, he will return the favor tenfold by being your devoted companion who will sit by your side, giving unconditional love and affection while you battle your own illness. It's truly amazing how healing and soothing the love of an animal can be. I hope you get to experience that magic with Max.

[dottiesyrky]

Talk about heartless! Judy must read all this via email, and how a Christian and humane lady cannot be moved I do not know. Does she not realize all this drama is causing Sheila to be really sick and does she want her health decline on her conscience? I thought that good breeders had feelings and cared for living things and yet she seems to have no empathy for Max, Sheila, or her very concerned husband. If this an ego thing for you Judy, swallow your pride and end this now, please!!!

[theporkieyorkie]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

If this an ego thing for you Judy, swallow your pride and end this now, please!!!

I'd guess it has more to do with the $$$ almighty dollar $$$ than it does ego, pride or anything else

It's cheaper for her to just replace the puppy than it is to pay for Max's vet bills!!


This "disposable world" we live in can be so depressing!! I get sick of hearing about life being measured in dollar bills...it's not just dogs or animals in general either. It includes humans and ALL life really....

[dottiesyrky]

You may be right, I guess to Judy, money is king and this is all about money to her. The driving force for breeding is not for betterment of the breed and joy for new moms and their healthy pups.....but the almighty dollar! So pleading to her moral duty has no meaning to her?? Very sad.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Gemy,

I sent you Maxwell's Sire & Dam information in a private message this morning, but I will post it here as well.

Sire:PELLERD-ORE TOP GUN
TR66899601 (2-09) BL & TN NONE (HUN)
AKC DNA #V484482

Dam:POTRAITS TREASURE O PELLERDORE
TR60763901 (8-09) BL & GLD

Why is the AKC DNA on the pedigree?

AKC DNA on the sire is on all the paperwork for sires AKC registered that have been used for breeding in order to register that litter produced. A DNA profile is required on the sire only to register a litter produced by that sire. The DNA profile is for the purpose of ensuring that sire is indeed the sire of that litter should there be any doubt about the parentage of the progeny. If the dam is in doubt via the registration number for the dam, the owner of any of the progeny can file a complaint with the AKC who in turn can request the breeder to obtain a DNA profile and one would be provided for the pup to ensure that is indeed the dam.
DNA profiles are NEVER about genetic codes for health issues. Don't be fooled about what they actually are into thinking they ensure health, they do not.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Gemy,

I sent you Maxwell's Sire & Dam information in a private message this morning, but I will post it here as well.

Sire:PELLERD-ORE TOP GUN
TR66899601 (2-09) BL & TN NONE (HUN)
AKC DNA #V484482

Dam:POTRAITS TREASURE O PELLERDORE
TR60763901 (8-09) BL & GLD

Why is the AKC DNA on the pedigree?

Since the sire was imported from another country (Hungary), the AKC requires that DNA be sent in to to them to give them an AKC registration number. Anytime an imported dog is registered with AKC they must be registered with a reputable registry from the country of origin, you have to send a front photo and side photo, and you must send in DNA.

Another reason you'll see DNA sometimes is because AKC will require that DNA be sent in on studs that have sired a certain number of litters.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

My husband plans to send her copies of all of Maxwell's tests and results, even though we have heard nothing from her.

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

My husband plans to send her copies of all of Maxwell's tests and results, even though we have heard nothing from her.

As a retired law enforcement officer, proof is a big key. Also, as a human being who also lives everyday with a life threatening diseased, the truth is the most important.
You are asking for an absolute resolution on your terms without providing any proof to the breeder. Mrs. Marksbury has agreed to honor her contract.
The truth... You are defaming on a public forum, a wonderful, caring person with an unrelenting love and devotion to the Yorkshire terrier. I have known Judy for years, been to her home, have had my dogs at her home and her dogs at mine.
She is a very caring breeder who does her best to preserve the integrity of our breed. I know first hand how Judy cares for her babies. I also know her vet, I travel 600 miles just to consult with her, she shows her own breed.
Judy would never knowingly sell a puppy with any issue without full disclosure to the new parents. Shelia, you spent several hours in Judy's home playing with puppies, the eye issue you are stating as fact has symptoms, did you see the puppy display signs that would lead you to believe there was an issue? I would think not as you picked him. Considering your situation, Judy did everything in her power to make you happy including giving you the registration paperwork on a puppy BEFORE proof of spay or neuter, something we never do. Truth... You told Judy your passing will be before the first of the year and you needed the papers so you could update your will....emotional blackmail.
I have read your posts on all of the threads you have started. You are on a mission to defame a wonderful and caring person. You have mentioned several times the clubs she is affiliated with. You do not devote to these clubs and the breed if you do not care.
Judy has agreed to honor her contract. If you do not want to give up your puppy, take the puppy back, let Judy take the puppy for a second opinion and treatment otherwise return the puppy per the contract and select a replacement.
You have not backed up you allegations with any proof... Without proof, what does Judy have to respond to? Defamation is not taken lightly.
On another note, I understand your disease, mine is blood cancer.

[dottiesyrky]

Wow!! I think you are the only one here who thinks this way? I wish she had the love and devotion to the the health of the Yorkshire Terrier ( and their new moms.) as you stated. She sold Sheila a sick animal and there is vet proof of this fact. Judy should be so happy that one of her pups found such a caring mom or I am sure Max would no longer be on this earth. Judy has no compassion and could make exceptions to her contract rules if she had a heart. In life there are always exceptions to the rule, but I suppose where hard cash is at stake to a heartless breeder, contracts rule over compassion. If you were a good friend to Judy you would advise her to come to some mutual settlement and stop the pain for her and Sheila. As you well know going to law as a solution is hard on all parties.
At least you understand how this is affecting Sheila's disease, and I am sorry that you have a serious disease as well. I pray that you can be treated and restored, but I know it is a tough road to hoe.

[Dixies Mom]

You are reading one side... I would like to see this proof. As I stated, I know Judy. I know her heart. She did alter her contract for this person when she asked for the registration papers now, for her will which makes no sense to me, he was sold as a pet.
I also know how Judy keeps and treats her dogs. Judging someone without actually knowing them and dealing with them first hand is wrong. Taking someone else's word about someone with taking the time to find out facts is wrong.
Judy has offered to go and get the puppy and refund her money... What more can she do?
You are all attacking her with out all of the facts.

[theporkieyorkie]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

As a retired law enforcement officer, proof is a big key. Also, as a human being who also lives everyday with a life threatening diseased, the truth is the most important.
You are asking for an absolute resolution on your terms without providing any proof to the breeder. Mrs. Marksbury has agreed to honor her contract.
The truth... You are defaming on a public forum, a wonderful, caring person with an unrelenting love and devotion to the Yorkshire terrier. I have known Judy for years, been to her home, have had my dogs at her home and her dogs at mine.
She is a very caring breeder who does her best to preserve the integrity of our breed. I know first hand how Judy cares for her babies. I also know her vet, I travel 600 miles just to consult with her, she shows her own breed.
Judy would never knowingly sell a puppy with any issue without full disclosure to the new parents. Shelia, you spent several hours in Judy's home playing with puppies, the eye issue you are stating as fact has symptoms, did you see the puppy display signs that would lead you to believe there was an issue? I would think not as you picked him. Considering your situation, Judy did everything in her power to make you happy including giving you the registration paperwork on a puppy BEFORE proof of spay or neuter, something we never do. Truth... You told Judy your passing will be before the first of the year and you needed the papers so you could update your will....emotional blackmail.
I have read your posts on all of the threads you have started. You are on a mission to defame a wonderful and caring person. You have mentioned several times the clubs she is affiliated with. You do not devote to these clubs and the breed if you do not care.
Judy has agreed to honor her contract. If you do not want to give up your puppy, take the puppy back, let Judy take the puppy for a second opinion and treatment otherwise return the puppy per the contract and select a replacement.
You have not backed up you allegations with any proof... Without proof, what does Judy have to respond to? Defamation is not taken lightly.
On another note, I understand your disease, mine is blood cancer.

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According to Shelia, the breeder has never ask for proof. Why doesn't the breeder call her vet...or have her vet consult with Shelias?? I would think she would have the name of Shelia's vet. I know I've had to provide the name of mine when adopting a dog.


So what happens if/when Sheila provides proof??? Will it change anything?? Will she then refund the money and/or pay for some or all of Max's medical bills without having to return her beloved pup??

Whenever someone comes on here to write a complaint about a breeder, there is always someone else who comes on and says it unfair because their experience was good. She has a right to state what happened with her, just as you have the right to come on and share your experience with her as well. Just because you have had a good experience, it doesn't mean that it's impossible that someone else has had a bad one. It happens all the time.

Genetic defects and health issues can happen to the best of breeders...but how that breeder handles issues like that is what separates a good breeder from a bad one.

I understand that these people signed a contract, but I think it would have been MUCH easier to refund the money and return the pup when they asked for it rather than have her shouting from the rooftops about what her experience was like. I can't blame her either if the puppy is sick.


You are right though...we are only hearing one side of the story. The only other side I've seen and heard from her directly in this thread is that she is willing to exchange Max for another dog...which the OP is not willing to do...So, the stand off continues.

I don't know the breeder...but I hope you are right and that she cares about her pups and her buyers and I hope she will be willing to work with Sheila.