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Old 11-17-2013, 03:29 PM   #76
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It's just devastating to read about little Max's health problems. I just can't imagine. I hope this surgery can help him to live a normal life after. It sounds like it has to be so rough for him at his age.

I just can't imagine if it was Cookie dealing with this, having to put her through a surgery like that at such a young age. I still remember how rough it was on Minnie when we she had to get cut to remove a large growth, and she was a twelve pound adult. I'm happy for Max though, in that he is with you guys who sound like his only chance.

I couldn't imagine returning a puppy. I mean I was in love the very second I saw my girl both times (Minnie and Cookie), so that's just terrible that's the contract offered. I mean there is no way I'm going to send someone I love on a one-way ticket to the pound and likely euthanasia, which is what I expect when I see a "guarantee" like that which requires return of the pup.
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Are you putting any medication in the "unaffected" eye, while it is still just red? I would certainly ask about doing that if the vet is not already doing so. I am hoping this breeder comes to her good senses and if for no other reason, realizes what her best BUSINESS move would be. Forget the poor little puppy, forget the distressed new owners, forget what is right ethically.....just hope she does what is right for her business......it will cost her a lot less in the long run.
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Thank you for your post, most here feel the same. But we are praying that this will be put right and that baby Max can be treated and get well soon. He deserves a healthy and happy life and Sheila will do all she can to ensure this.
Don't know what the icon next to Max is, I don't know how it got there!

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What response did you receive when you sent all the veterinary documentation on your puppy to the breeder?
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Are you putting any medication in the "unaffected" eye, while it is still just red? I would certainly ask about doing that if the vet is not already doing so. I am hoping this breeder comes to her good senses and if for no other reason, realizes what her best BUSINESS move would be. Forget the poor little puppy, forget the distressed new owners, forget what is right ethically.....just hope she does what is right for her business......it will cost her a lot less in the long run.
Not yet. We are keeping it clean with Collyrium. Maxwell has an appt. with our Vet on Tuesday morning, and she will check his right eye then. I believe she will do the Schirmer tear test in both eyes now, instead of just the left eye.

The Ophthalmologist had told her to tell us to pay close attention to his right eye, because the Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia may yet develop in his right eye. I fear it has done so.

I agree, I wish this breeder would come to her good senses. I wish she cared about Maxwell. I wish she actually cared about me, as well, the way she said she did in so many, many e-mails and in the very 1st call I made to her, and the two trips we made down to Lanesville, IN.
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It's just devastating to read about little Max's health problems. I just can't imagine. I hope this surgery can help him to live a normal life after. It sounds like it has to be so rough for him at his age.

I just can't imagine if it was Cookie dealing with this, having to put her through a surgery like that at such a young age. I still remember how rough it was on Minnie when we she had to get cut to remove a large growth, and she was a twelve pound adult. I'm happy for Max though, in that he is with you guys who sound like his only chance.

I couldn't imagine returning a puppy. I mean I was in love the very second I saw my girl both times (Minnie and Cookie), so that's just terrible that's the contract offered. I mean there is no way I'm going to send someone I love on a one-way ticket to the pound and likely euthanasia, which is what I expect when I see a "guarantee" like that which requires return of the pup.
Valerie-On October 31st, Judy sent my husband, Rich, this e-mail: "I am so sorry. I would never hurt anyone as sweet as Shelia. My breeder friends and vet friends seem to think that the drops need to be used for a long period before giving up and doing a surgery. I agree Sometimes the body can fix itself with time I hope that is the case here... If he comes back to me that what I will do, take care Judy"

I was confined to bed, and he came and sat and talked to me. He said, "Babe, your MS is progressing due to all the stress of worrying about Max. Your medication for the Lymphocytic Colitis has stopped working, and the doctor told us, it was the last medication he could prescribe. (I've been on the Mayo Clinic protocol for almost a year.) So you know that means surgery after we see the G.I. Doc in December, so maybe it would be best to let Judy have him back. She said she will continue the drops, and take care of him".

I cried at the very thought of returning him, but I also saw the worry in my husbands eyes. My G.I. Doc had talked to us at my September appt. and told us, to see our attorney and have a Living Trust and DNR in place.

So, I said, "If you feel that is what is best".


At that time, I still so much wanted to believe that Judy really didn't know he had this condition.

So, he replied to her e-mail and said he would bring Maxwell back, but he needed to make arrangements for my two girlfriends to stay with me, and he would need to make it a round trip in one day. Because I needed to be lifted out of bed, and even though I weigh 75#s at 5'2, he didn't want them to get hurt, and he didn't want me to get hurt. And he said, he realized that her contract stated replacement puppy, but he asked her to give us a refund. He didn't ask her to reimburse us for his medical bills, which, at that time were around $250.00.


At that point, we were willing to let the fact that she lied about the Dam and lied that she imported Treasure, slide.


She wrote him a nasty e-mail and said, "You know I am very disappointed . I have a contract for a reason. You knew that when you bought Max. I really like Shelia and I am sorry for her illness. I have mailed AKC papers to you and the ownership can't be changed until you register him and then return the papers to me. I never give papers on a puppy until they are spayed or neutered but I did it for Shelia . You have told me I did not send the real picture of Treasure which you saw her when you were here! Basically you have called me a liar. Now you want a refund, not a replacement puppy? I still have the tiny female and 1 other small male. I will let you have either one of them . I will take Max back but by my contracts terms. I am sorry but that is all I will do .if I had known he had any problems at all I would of never offered him to you. If you want to return him let me know what day so someone is here."



After that e-mail, and the scathing e-mail she sent me, she can forget it.


We will file a complaint with YTCA & AKC. (I am so glad her friend here in YT told her about my review, because last night, I remembered I had checked the YTCA breeder referral list, before I contacted her, and she is a member.)


Maxwell has his 3rd appt. with our Vet on Tuesday, and it appears that the Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia has developed in his right eye. Yesterday morning, when I cleaned his eyes, to put the Tacrolimus drops in his left eye, I saw that his right eye was red with inflammation. The Ophthalmologist had told our Vet to tell us to pay close attention to his right eye, because it may yet develop in his right eye.


So, at his appt. I believe our Vet will do the Schirmer tear test in both eyes. I am terrified at the thought of this tiny boy having surgery, because it is not without problems, after.

I pray so hard that there is some tissue that the Tacrolimus drops will stimulate tear production, but we are seeing what appears to be white pus in his left eye.
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What response did you receive when you sent all the veterinary documentation on your puppy to the breeder?
The breeder has never so much as asked us how Maxwell is doing, let alone asked for the veterinary documentation.

We've exchanged many, many e-mails with her.
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Thank you for your post, most here feel the same. But we are praying that this will be put right and that baby Max can be treated and get well soon. He deserves a healthy and happy life and Sheila will do all she can to ensure this.
Don't know what the icon next to Max is, I don't know how it got there!
Dot-I suspect the only way this is going to be put right is after we file the claims with YTCA and AKC.

And we are only waiting until our Vet does the Schirmer tear tests on Tuesday.

Maybe the birthday cake icon appeared, as an omen that Maxwell will celebrate his 1st birthday.
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Gemy-I *think* from what other breeders have posted about dry eye, if Maxwell's breeder had treated him for dry eye, maybe his left eye wouldn't have developed such a severe bacterial infection.

Still-the Ophthalmologist said Maxwell has Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, but at least, maybe he wouldn't have suffered with the infection.
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I sincerely hope it does not come to that as it would be so much easier for all to settle now. If you do have to do this it is a good idea to await the test results and then you have the certain facts to present. I still pray that she has a heart and will negotiate a suitable settlement with you. All this bad publicity cannot be good for her either. Bad news travels far and fast!!
So it was a birthday icon?? Perhaps it is a good omen, hope so.
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The breeder has never so much as asked us how Maxwell is doing, let alone asked for the veterinary documentation.

We've exchanged many, many e-mails with her.
Maybe you should have your vet email them to her and to her vet. Maybe a consult between the two vets are in order.
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I sincerely hope it does not come to that as it would be so much easier for all to settle now. If you do have to do this it is a good idea to await the test results and then you have the certain facts to present. I still pray that she has a heart and will negotiate a suitable settlement with you. All this bad publicity cannot be good for her either. Bad news travels far and fast!!
So it was a birthday icon?? Perhaps it is a good omen, hope so.
Dot-I agree with you, it would be easier on all of us to settle now. And we will wait for the tests on Tuesday, before we file our complaints.

So far, we have heard nothing from the breeder.

Yes, it is a birthday icon, so I hope, too that is is a good omen.
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Maybe you should have your vet email them to her and to her vet. Maybe a consult between the two vets are in order.
My husband plans to send her copies of all of Maxwell's tests and results, even though we have heard nothing from her.
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I have not been on here in some months....I am so very sorry you and Max are going through this....I sit here in tears reading this. Sheila I pray for you and Max to get well and some much needed relief....
A show breeder....well to that I say....I cant say what I really want to say....this is awful...I knew there were uncaring people in the world, but this person is beyond words, I will never understand how someone can watch a little one suffer with whatever ailments...if one of mine sneezes im off to the vet...this breeder reneged on her responsibility to the babies she brought into the world...what would become of him if he is returned to her...I personally believe nothing that comes out of her mouth, based on this thread. JMO.
Sheila take care of yourself, you and Max need each other. (((HUGGZZ)))
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