Judy Marksbury- Show Breeder

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by gemy

I am confused about the bolded statement that you will supply a health certificate... Huh don't you regularly vet check all your puppies and supply a health record for each puppy to your purchasers? It is standard practice here in Canada. We have a three fold folder entitled Puppy's Health Records, and for each puppy we bring into the vet it is filled out, and then usually 48 hrs prior to puppy departure we visit our vet again for final wellness check. THat record is signed by our vet including their printed name address and contact numbers, the microchip information usually affixed to the file as well.

Gemy,

We never received one, and Sheila was really worn out from the trip, and not thinking clearly. I was concerned about her, so, I didn't think to ask the breeder for one.

Rich

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by yorkiefan_

That's so awesome to hear you guys are bonding well! I was scared it was really hard for Sheila to spend time with little Maxwell.

Chris,

Sheila can't get down on the floor, but Maxwell has bonded very well with her.

For a puppy, he seems to understand, Mama doesn't feel well. He cuddles with her, and he play-barks at her, and brings her his Teddy Bear.

When Sheila is sleeping, which has been a lot the past few days, Maxwell is with me.

Rich

[k9lover]

I do not do a health certificate on each puppy.Only if the are leaving the state or being shipped with a courier. It is a document used for those purpose. What I was trying to say I would have the replacement puppy checked for the same problem Max supposedly has. I have a 48 hour return policy in the contract for a cash refund, I was just trying to reassure them;

[gemy]

Originally Posted by k9lover

I do not do a health certificate on each puppy.Only if the are leaving the state or being shipped with a courier. It is a document used for those purpose. What I was trying to say I would have the replacement puppy checked for the same problem Max supposedly has. I have a 48 hour return policy in the contract for a cash refund, I was just trying to reassure them;

Oh yes that is the usual usage of health certificate. So then you do supply as a general rule the health puppy records signed off by your vet to purchasers? That as you know purchasers need to show to their vet when then go in for their first wellness check after purchase of a new puppy.

And yes that is good of you to offer an additional opthamologists examination of any future puppy, but also consider testing that breeding pair with an opthamologist and getting CERF's done. Many health clinics are run at shows that allow at a very reasonable cost to get the eye checks done. In fact if either dog is a service dog you can get the eye checks for free, go to the www.avco.org to find when the clinics are run.

[JuliannaB]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Julianna,

As far as I'm concerned-this situation is resolved. I replied to the breeders e-mail this afternoon, said I would send her the medical reports, and we are keeping Maxwell.

I guarantee he is going to get the medical attention he needs and so deserves.

God answers prayers-so we put our faith in Him, to guide us in caring for Maxwell.

Hugs right back at you from Sheila & I.

Maxwell sends sweet puppy kisses.

Rich

Thank you for the hugs and the sweet puppy kisses
I hope that you didn't read what I have put in bold the wrong way. It was never meant to indicate I didn't think Max wasn't getting the right medical attention. If that's how it read to you, then I am truly sorry and please accept my apologies.
Wishing everyone all the very best and back to normal living!

[k9lover]

Yes, I agree some breeders may do this, But I would say over half of my friends that are show breeders do not. I am 62 and will be retiring from breeding soon so I wont change anything.. My puppies are kept usually until 16 weeks or sometimes longer,up to 6 months if we are evaluating a show prospect. My vet works closely with me and is also a show breeder also. My contract states a 48 hour full cash return policy in the event a problem had been missed ,such as was the case with Max .I am glad a decision has been made and we can all move on. I hope I will be told how Max is doing as time goes on. because I do love him also. I also hope these owners stop trying to attack my reputation as a show breeder.I wish all the very best, I will let you know here on the forum ,thank you

[Yorkieville200]

I just sat down and read the breeders contract very thoroughly. No where in her contract does it state "replacement puppy".

Rich

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by JuliannaB

Thank you for the hugs and the sweet puppy kisses
I hope that you didn't read what I have put in bold the wrong way. It was never meant to indicate I didn't think Max wasn't getting the right medical attention. If that's how it read to you, then I am truly sorry and please accept my apologies.
Wishing everyone all the very best and back to normal living!

You are so welcome for the hugs & kisses, you deserve them.

No, I didn't read what you wrote in bold the wrong way.

No apology necessary, at all.

Thank you-hope to get back to normal living soon.

Rich

[Buster Brown]

I did a little research on genetic/hereditary issues common with Yorkies compiled by Dr Jean Dodds of the 26 issues 9 relate to the eyes, eyelid, or eyelash. http://www.hsvma.org/assets/pdfs/gui...-disorders.pdf and specifically for Yorkies.
GUIDE TO CONGENITAL AND HERITABLE DISORDERS IN DOGS
Includes Genetic Predisposition to Diseases
Special thanks to W. Jean Dodds, D.V.M. for researching and compiling the information contained in this guide. Dr. Dodds is a world-renowned vaccine research scientist with expertise in hematology, immunology, endocrinology and nutrition.
Published by The Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association
P.O. Box 208, Davis, CA95617, Phone: 530-759-8106; Fax: 530-759-8116
First printing: August 1994, revised August 1997, November 2000, January 2004, March 2006, and May 2011.

Yorkshire terrier: 42, 57, 70, 71, 80, 88, 103, 149, 154, 160, 162, 166, 179, 181, 185, 199a, 235, 236, 245, 252a, 256, 269, 270, 276, 313, 330

42. Cataract: as in humans, a change in structure of the lens of the eye leading to cloudiness and usually to blindness.

57. Collapsed trachea: a condition where the cartilage rings that make up the trachea are malformed and tend to collapse easily

70. Cryptorchidism: a condition where one testicle does not descend into the scrotal sac.

71. Cushing's disease (hyperadrenocorticism): a common disease characterized by an
excess secretion of corticosteroids from the adrenal glands. Most often seen in middle aged females. (See #156)

80. Demodicosis: a kind of skin disease (mange) caused by microscopic

Demodex canismites living within the skin layers and producing an immunodeficiency syndrome.

88. Distichiasis: abnormally growing eyelashes.

103. Entropion: an abnormal rolling in of the eyelid.

149. Hepatic portosystemic shunt or arteriovenous fistula: a malformation of blood vessels in the liver or an abnormal communication between the arteries and veins in the liver. (See #199a, 252a)

154. Hydrocephalus: a condition where there is an abnormal accumulation of fluid in the ventricles of the brain.

160. Hypoglycemia: a syndrome where the animal has an abnormally low blood glucose.

162. Hypoplasia of dens: a condition where part of the second vertebra fails to develop fully and leads to instability.

166. Hypothyroidism: a very common endocrine disease where the body produces an
abnormally low amount of thyroid hormones. An autoimmune destruction of the thyroid gland which affects more than 50 dog breeds. (See #192, 312)

179. Keratitis sicca: a condition where one or both eyes do not produce a normal amount or type of tears. (See #181)

181. Keratoconjunctivitis sicca: Also called “dry eye”, and associated with hypothyroidism in some breeds such as the American cocker spaniel. (See #179)

185. Legg-Perthes disease: a disease where the blood vessels feeding the femoral head (top part of the thigh bone) shrink, leading to starvation and death of the femoral head (the ball of the ball-and-socket joint of the hip). Also called Legg-Calve'-Perthes disease. Most common in large breeds.

199a. Microvascular dysplasia: (See #252a)

235. Patella luxation: a condition where the knee caps slide in and out of place.

236. Patent ductus arteriosus: failure of the vessel remnant joining the aorta and pulmonary artery in fetal life to close properly at birth, thereby shunting blood away from the lungs.

245. Persistent pupillary membrane: a developmental abnormality where the membrane
forming the iris does not form properly.

252a. Portosystemic shunt: a congenital anomaly of blood vessels supplying the liver, causing varying degrees of liver dysfunction or failure. Also can be manifested as microvascular dysplasia. Common in breeds such as the Yorkshire and Cairn terrier, but can occur in any breed. (See #149, 199a)

256. Progressive retinal atrophy: a disease where the retina slowly deteriorates, producing night blindness.

269. Retinal detachment: where the retina is unattached to the back of the eye.

270. Retinal dysplasia: a condition where the retina is malformed.

276. Seborrhea: a skin disease with excess scaling of the skin and often an excess of sebum (oil-like substance) and odor.

313. Tracheal collapse: (See #57)

330. von Willebrand disease: a type of bleeding disorder caused by defective blood platelet function. Occurs in 59 dog breeds but most often in Doberman pinschers. An autosomal trait affecting both sexes.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

I did a little research on genetic/hereditary issues common with Yorkies compiled by Dr Jean Dodds of the 26 issues 9 relate to the eyes, eyelid, or eyelash. http://www.hsvma.org/assets/pdfs/gui...-disorders.pdf and specifically for Yorkies.
GUIDE TO CONGENITAL AND HERITABLE DISORDERS IN DOGS
Includes Genetic Predisposition to Diseases
Special thanks to W. Jean Dodds, D.V.M. for researching and compiling the information contained in this guide. Dr. Dodds is a world-renowned vaccine research scientist with expertise in hematology, immunology, endocrinology and nutrition.
Published by The Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association
P.O. Box 208, Davis, CA95617, Phone: 530-759-8106; Fax: 530-759-8116
First printing: August 1994, revised August 1997, November 2000, January 2004, March 2006, and May 2011.

Yorkshire terrier: 42, 57, 70, 71, 80, 88, 103, 149, 154, 160, 162, 166, 179, 181, 185, 199a, 235, 236, 245, 252a, 256, 269, 270, 276, 313, 330

42. Cataract: as in humans, a change in structure of the lens of the eye leading to cloudiness and usually to blindness.

57. Collapsed trachea: a condition where the cartilage rings that make up the trachea are malformed and tend to collapse easily

70. Cryptorchidism: a condition where one testicle does not descend into the scrotal sac.

71. Cushing's disease (hyperadrenocorticism): a common disease characterized by an
excess secretion of corticosteroids from the adrenal glands. Most often seen in middle aged females. (See #156)

80. Demodicosis: a kind of skin disease (mange) caused by microscopic

Demodex canismites living within the skin layers and producing an immunodeficiency syndrome.

88. Distichiasis: abnormally growing eyelashes.

103. Entropion: an abnormal rolling in of the eyelid.

149. Hepatic portosystemic shunt or arteriovenous fistula: a malformation of blood vessels in the liver or an abnormal communication between the arteries and veins in the liver. (See #199a, 252a)

154. Hydrocephalus: a condition where there is an abnormal accumulation of fluid in the ventricles of the brain.

160. Hypoglycemia: a syndrome where the animal has an abnormally low blood glucose.

162. Hypoplasia of dens: a condition where part of the second vertebra fails to develop fully and leads to instability.

166. Hypothyroidism: a very common endocrine disease where the body produces an
abnormally low amount of thyroid hormones. An autoimmune destruction of the thyroid gland which affects more than 50 dog breeds. (See #192, 312)

179. Keratitis sicca: a condition where one or both eyes do not produce a normal amount or type of tears. (See #181)

181. Keratoconjunctivitis sicca: Also called “dry eye”, and associated with hypothyroidism in some breeds such as the American cocker spaniel. (See #179)

185. Legg-Perthes disease: a disease where the blood vessels feeding the femoral head (top part of the thigh bone) shrink, leading to starvation and death of the femoral head (the ball of the ball-and-socket joint of the hip). Also called Legg-Calve'-Perthes disease. Most common in large breeds.

199a. Microvascular dysplasia: (See #252a)

235. Patella luxation: a condition where the knee caps slide in and out of place.

236. Patent ductus arteriosus: failure of the vessel remnant joining the aorta and pulmonary artery in fetal life to close properly at birth, thereby shunting blood away from the lungs.

245. Persistent pupillary membrane: a developmental abnormality where the membrane
forming the iris does not form properly.

252a. Portosystemic shunt: a congenital anomaly of blood vessels supplying the liver, causing varying degrees of liver dysfunction or failure. Also can be manifested as microvascular dysplasia. Common in breeds such as the Yorkshire and Cairn terrier, but can occur in any breed. (See #149, 199a)

256. Progressive retinal atrophy: a disease where the retina slowly deteriorates, producing night blindness.

269. Retinal detachment: where the retina is unattached to the back of the eye.

270. Retinal dysplasia: a condition where the retina is malformed.

276. Seborrhea: a skin disease with excess scaling of the skin and often an excess of sebum (oil-like substance) and odor.

313. Tracheal collapse: (See #57)

330. von Willebrand disease: a type of bleeding disorder caused by defective blood platelet function. Occurs in 59 dog breeds but most often in Doberman pinschers. An autosomal trait affecting both sexes.

Great job, Carolyn.

Our Vet explained the reason she did the 1st Schirmer tear test was because Max's left eye was so dry.

Sheila had sent the breeder all the information and included a link about it.

She couldn't understand how the breeders Vet missed it.

It's sad that it went undiagnosed so long, that he developed the bacertial infection in his left eye.

Now his right eye has it. So, I am treating both eyes.

She e-mailed me yesterday evening, and I replied and told her that I am not sending her Maxwell's medical records, until she sends me his medical records from her Vet.

Rich

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Great job, Carolyn.

Our Vet explained the reason she did the 1st Schirmer tear test was because Max's left eye was so dry.

Sheila had sent the breeder all the information and included a link about it.

She couldn't understand how the breeders Vet missed it.

It's sad that it went undiagnosed so long, that he developed the bacertial infection in his left eye.

Now his right eye has it. So, I am treating both eyes.

She e-mailed me yesterday evening, and I replied and told her that I am not sending her Maxwell's medical records, until she sends me his medical records from her Vet.

Rich

You need to send the breeder all information you have received about her puppy. You are the one making all these accusations and have provided no proof. She has done all she can do and nothing is good enough. You have proven nothing to her. As I have stated, before, I have traveled 600 miles just to consult with Judy's vet. You stated before as far as you are concerned this is closed but you won't let it go. Take the puppy back and be done.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

You need to send the breeder all information you have received about her puppy. You are the one making all these accusations and have provided no proof. She has done all she can do and nothing is good enough. You have proven nothing to her. As I have stated, before, I have traveled 600 miles just to consult with Judy's vet. You stated before as far as you are concerned this is closed but you won't let it go. Take the puppy back and be done.

The breeder should have given all Vet records on said puppy to the buyer and from reading she didn't do this. Is there a reason this wasn't done??? I know with the puppies I have purchased I was always supplied ALL copies of Vet records on said pup that I had.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

The breeder should have given all Vet records on said puppy to the buyer and from reading she didn't do this. Is there a reason this wasn't done??? I know with the puppies I have purchased I was always supplied ALL copies of Vet records on said pup that I had.

Vicki,

You're absolutely right. The breeder didn't give us any Vet records.

We've always gotten all the medical records on each of our three girls.

I've e-mailed her and told her that I am not sending her any of Maxwell's medical records, until she sends me his medical records from her Vet.

Rich

[Dixies Mom]

I'm sure health and vaccinations records went with the puppy when he went to his new family. Regardless, there are some very powerful accusations being alleged here and nothing being proven. If the puppy is suspected of possibly having this congenial eye disorder, the puppy should have personally be seen by the specialist, to confirm diagnosis, this has not happened. So what is the truth? The truth is a good breeder is being slandered with out any proof being presented. All I see is the OP and her significant other, coming up with excuse after excuse to NOT provide proof of the allegations.

[ColesMommy01]

I'm a bit confused although I've been following this thread from the beginning...Is the OP refusing to send this breeder proof of the condition he has? If it were ME I wouldn't wait for my breeder to ask for the info I would send it myself scanned through email and also priority mail with confirmation of receipt. It seems like this has turned into a "Mexican Standoff" but really I can't fault the breeder for not coming back on here to "defend" herself when this matter should honestly just be between her and the buyer. I also can't fault the breeder for just doing what this buyer wants without any proof or records to confirm the pups condition...if the contract you signed was for a replacement pup ONLY in terms of a genetic defect resulting in death and both the buyer AND breeder agreed to the transaction why do you feel wronged now when you agreed to it at the time of purchase? There are many other breeders out there that have "better" health guarantees or who like many breeders on here go above and beyond the terms of their contract. Just because they would doesn't mean they have to though if they're contract states otherwise. Imo this may make resolving the issue even harder because both parties(buyer and breeder) feel slighted.