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Old 01-25-2009, 10:04 AM   #1
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Default Breeder - Angela White - White Oak Kennels - Magee, MS

We bought our little Romeo from this woman. I checked her out, 14 years experience, all good reviews from what I could find. I went to her house to pick him up. She told us that Romeo had been to a vet and had papers where he had had shots, etc. She told us about his champion blood lines, we saw the parents, etc., the whole nine yards. I never bothered to register him with the AKC because his has so many health problems.

We got him on a Sunday and the next day was Memorial day so our first opportunity to take him to our vet was that Tuesday. I have known our vet since I was about 8 years old so he knew I was already in love with him. Immediately the vet said Romeo had several problems. His fontanel was not closed, his eye had a problem - possibly major - and he listed several other things. He called the breeder right then and there. She said the dog had never actually been to the vet, that she had talked to the vet on the phone - the vet - her brother! That's why no one knew about the fontanel or the eye. But she would take the dog back but her policy was to put the dogs she took back she put to sleep!!! WHAT???????????!!!!!!!!!! That wasn't going to happen.

Obviously we kept Romeo and he is loving and sweet and the light of our lives. He has cost us a fortune and has a lot of special needs. But that's ok, it's just who he is. He has had a saliva gland moved up to make a tear duct (he was born without one in one eye) so he could keep his eye. He has a severe liver problem, a pancreas problem, arthritis, his knee is loose in the joint, he has contact allergeries that make it necessary for us to wash our clothes and bedding in allergy-free detergent and only use certain products on him. He has to eat special food. He has had like 5 surgeries. We know he is going to have another one. He walks a fine line every day and we watch him closely for even minor changes. If we don't catch changes and things go to far it could spell disaster for him.

But Romeo is always happy, always great at the vet - loves to go to the vet. He loves to go anywhere. Always sweet. He is simply a true joy, a true blessing - as they all are. He is not scared of anything but Bella....lol

I did get a call when Romeo was about 2 (he is 4 now - he will be 5 on 4-10) from another woman who bought a dog that became very ill and had read a post I made on another website about this breeder. She wanted me to talk to her lawyer. I agreed but no one ever called me.

When I bought Romeo she told me she only bred Yorkie's and I never saw any other dogs besides Yorkies when I was there. I see on her website now she breeds other dogs. I guess that's new. My advice to anyone would be to find someone besides her if your looking for a breeder.
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Sorry you have had so many illnesses with Romeo's health, sounds like my Cali. I m so gad you kept him and he has such a loving caring mom
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Sorry she turned out to be a bad breeder, but how wonderful of you to see him all the rough times.
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I really appreciate your kind words. It really means alot to talk to people that understand and listen.

We got Romeo so I would have a buddy to go places with me. When Sadie (another dog of ours) was poisoned at Petco she became scared of the car. Romeo saw my husband though and decided that my 6'3" husband was HIS pet. His daddy is mush is his paws. They are best buddies and are always together. My husband even takes him to work. He builds custom furniture for him! Romeo loves his mom but nothing is better than dad. That's why this year for Christmas, dad bought Bella for mom...lol

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I am sorry to hear what you have to deal with.....did she have the same yorkies prior to you buying him because to me they all look bad and they do not look like they better the breed at all. They all are pets and should never even be bred to produce one much less litters. If my Chino looked like this, I would be so disappointed, but I searched for like ever and he fail into my lap.

Oh another thing, how come you didn't want to send the puppy back. I understand you didn't want him put to sleep, but what about what he has to live with everyday, it sounds like he is not living a productive life with constant supervision at all times and all of the danger.

What I am getting at is should we prolong life just because we feel bad, but aren't we being selfish when we allow all of that suffering also.

What is up with those UGLY hairless dogs, ugh.....boy you would really have to love them to actually like looking at them.

Don't get upset, I just wonder what is the best method for a puppy if they have to deal with living apart from the rest. Personally I would hate to put a animal to sleep, however I feel bad for allowing him/her to suffer. I did have to make this choice on my cat one time, I was leaving the vet's office with her crying, vet could no longer help her, my mom called she said do what is right go back and allow the vet to do his job.......I did, the vet assistance was po at me and started saying stuff. Jazzy could no longer use the bathroom in her litterbox without crying, stayed in the bathroom curled up for a week, do I do the right thing........most likely physically for her, mentally I regret it to this day, but I know it was right.
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Well, I guess I don't see him as not living a productive life. As I said, he is loving and sweet and always happy and the light of our lives. Being someone's total joy is hardly unproductive. Giving unconditional love is very productive in my book.

What you see as constant supervision we see as constantly being together. We are constantly with all of our dogs - and he is the only one with health problems. I guess the fact that we want to be with him and the others, we see as love and desire but you see it as a duty and a job.

We make sure - VERY sure - that Romeo does not suffer. Ever. Yes, he is sick alot. But, as I said, we notice even the smallest changes and we are right on top of them. So nothing goes on and on. There is no suffering. The suggestion of it is unappreciated.

I never said nor did I even suggest that Romeo lives apart from the rest. He sleeps with us, goes places with us, does it all with us.

If you have to put "don't get upset" in your post. Then you must be pretty sure your going to upset someone. Here's a suggestion - get the facts straight...then post. The no one will "get upset"

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Well, I guess I don't see him as not living a productive life. As I said, he is loving and sweet and always happy and the light of our lives. Being someone's total joy is hardly unproductive. Giving unconditional love is very productive in my book.

What you see as constant supervision we see as constantly being together. We are constantly with all of our dogs - and he is the only one with health problems. I guess the fact that we want to be with him and the others, we see as love and desire but you see it as a duty and a job.

We make sure - VERY sure - that Romeo does not suffer. Ever. Yes, he is sick alot. But, as I said, we notice even the smallest changes and we are right on top of them. So nothing goes on and on. There is no suffering. The suggestion of it is unappreciated.

I never said nor did I even suggest that Romeo lives apart from the rest. He sleeps with us, goes places with us, does it all with us.

If you have to put "don't get upset" in your post. Then you must be pretty sure your going to upset someone. Here's a suggestion - get the facts straight...then post. The no one will "get upset"

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Facts are straight, you bought a sick dog, she said she would take the puppy back, you came on here to bash the breeder...........um what else, oh yeah you listed all of these health issues, ...........um sounds like I have my story straight.

I see it this way, the breeder did want to take the puppy back, even if she would have put him to sleep, that would have been her right to decide what needs to be done. Why did you come on to bash a breeder when you had been given the chance to return the puppy. Some puppies are born different as some humans are. We all have a right to our thoughts, and I took what youy wrote meaning that your yorkie is very sick and does suffer compared to the others. Is that right to make a puppy suffer to keep you company and put a smile on your face. No I don't see it as a job or duty.........I see it has a poor baby suffering. And yes I also feel this way about humans. IF I am going to be attacked by my feelings.....oh well a free country with free thoughts and get this a FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
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Facts are straight, you bought a sick dog, she said she would take the puppy back, you came on here to bash the breeder...........um what else, oh yeah you listed all of these health issues, ...........um sounds like I have my story straight.

I see it this way, the breeder did want to take the puppy back, even if she would have put him to sleep, that would have been her right to decide what needs to be done. Why did you come on to bash a breeder when you had been given the chance to return the puppy. Some puppies are born different as some humans are. We all have a right to our thoughts, and I took what youy wrote meaning that your yorkie is very sick and does suffer compared to the others. Is that right to make a puppy suffer to keep you company and put a smile on your face. No I don't see it as a job or duty.........I see it has a poor baby suffering. And yes I also feel this way about humans. IF I am going to be attacked by my feelings.....oh well a free country with free thoughts and get this a FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


I don't see that the OP was bashing the breeder. She was informing others of what she encountered, so others could avoid purchasing from her. As a breeder, the woman has a responsibility to breed only dogs with qualities that will contribute to the betterment of the line. The way I see it, she should have given the OP her money back, and let her keep the puppy......being thankful that someone was willing to give one of her puppies (no matter it's ill breeding) a wonderful, loving home!

No one was attacking your feelings, but you were stomping on the OP's.
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Let me clarify that I was not "bashing" the breeder but merely passing on the facts. Bashing is a very different thing.

I happen to feel that we are very lucky to have Romeo because he is so special. Not everyone would be willing to spend the time or money that we have on him. Let me be VERY clear with you. When I have a pet I make a COMMITMENT! I don't just say ...ohh he's not perfect so let's put him to sleep. Romeo does not have anything terminal or painful so WHY would I put him to sleep????? I'm sorry if my commitment to my dog offends you. Is it my time or money that offends you or maybe it's both? If he was terminal or was in pain, then I would put him to sleep. I am not cruel. When or if that day arrives I will cross that bridge.

Thank goodness you were not the one to end up with him. I guess that's God's way of working things out.

Are you sure your name's not Angela because you certainly seem to have taken offense when you don't know me from adam...lol
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Let me clarify that I was not "bashing" the breeder but merely passing on the facts. Bashing is a very different thing.

I happen to feel that we are very lucky to have Romeo because he is so special. Not everyone would be willing to spend the time or money that we have on him. Let me be VERY clear with you. When I have a pet I make a COMMITMENT! I don't just say ...ohh he's not perfect so let's put him to sleep. Romeo does not have anything terminal or painful so WHY would I put him to sleep????? I'm sorry if my commitment to my dog offends you. Is it my time or money that offends you or maybe it's both? If he was terminal or was in pain, then I would put him to sleep. I am not cruel. When or if that day arrives I will cross that bridge.

Thank goodness you were not the one to end up with him. I guess that's God's way of working things out.

Are you sure your name's not Angela because you certainly seem to have taken offense when you don't know me from adam...lol
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Let me clarify that I was not "bashing" the breeder but merely passing on the facts. Bashing is a very different thing.

I happen to feel that we are very lucky to have Romeo because he is so special. Not everyone would be willing to spend the time or money that we have on him. Let me be VERY clear with you. When I have a pet I make a COMMITMENT! I don't just say ...ohh he's not perfect so let's put him to sleep. Romeo does not have anything terminal or painful so WHY would I put him to sleep????? I'm sorry if my commitment to my dog offends you. Is it my time or money that offends you or maybe it's both? If he was terminal or was in pain, then I would put him to sleep. I am not cruel. When or if that day arrives I will cross that bridge.

Thank goodness you were not the one to end up with him. I guess that's God's way of working things out.

Are you sure your name's not Angela because you certainly seem to have taken offense when you don't know me from adam...lol

I don't even know Angela, and if I was why would I go on here and state the yorkies she breeds are just pet only and should have never been allowed to have one puppy much less litters. Also why would I think those hairless dogs are ugly if I breed them. What was that you stated to me? Oh yeah get my facts straight, um seems someone else needs to do the same thing.

I am sorry that you feel your yorkie is not in any pain, however I see it different when he has had 5 surgeries, possibly another one in the future, your words are here:
fontanel was not closed, his eye had a problem - possibly major - and he listed several other things. He called the breeder right then and there

He has had a saliva gland moved up to make a tear duct (he was born without one in one eye) so he could keep his eye. He has a severe liver problem, a pancreas problem, arthritis, his knee is loose in the joint, he has contact allergeries that make it necessary for us to wash our clothes and bedding in allergy-free detergent and only use certain products on him. He has to eat special food. He has had like 5 surgeries. We know he is going to have another one. He walks a fine line every day

Walks a fine line every day is the kicker of all. And you say its not painful, lady have you ever dealt with a liver problem? What about allergies, btw I have allergies and its put me in the hospital for 3 days at a time and I did have pain and guess what it hurt like no other, the treatment was worst. NO a pet is a commitment and Chino gets the best care and love however, that includes doing the right thing when the time comes. Iwill not allow Chino to suffer because I LOVE him too much for me to sit around and watch him die a slow death.

As I see it, the breeder offered to do what was right, take the puppy back. You refused since you "loved him already". So why come on and raise these issues, if you were okay with taken care of him and spending the money to do it? You can't have both, and I see it this way....many people on here try to return the puppy or the puppy died those are the ones that need to be on here, not ones that tries to honor their contract.......and the owners decided to keep the puppy instead....like I said you cannot have it both ways. One or the other. BTW I have had two e-mails this morning stating they wish they could say something, but they are afraid of being attacked..........does that not say something about YT and the members. My thing is I don't care, because I know what I am saying is right and some people need for it to be in there face to see the truth.

Like I stated, people kill me when they come on here to bash or talk dirt about a breeder, but ends it with, well she offered to take the puppy back and exchange it or refund my money, but I LOVED HIM already. Why anyone would pay the same price for a sick puppy vs. a healthy puppy is senseless.

Now lets take a look at the breeder for a second, did you really do your research on yorkies prior to buying one? Because if so you would noticed that one yorkie has tear stains under his eyes. She breeds to produce 4.5 lbs and under, btw the standard is 4-7 lbs, and sometimes you get yorkies with health issues if not bred to the standard. Their hair just does not cut it for me, no shine to it what so ever, very thin. This could be poor breeding habits, or not a healthy diet given to her pets. States all have excellent pedigrees however has only one posted with 22 champions in it. I could go on and on about the others that she breeds since they also do not look to the standard of their breed, but I'm not.

Research is the kicker to everything, YT would have been a very good place to start, since I have seen some YT members post their yorkie for sale, and they are priced at a reasonable price and the parents are awesome looking. When I was looking for my yorkie, I posted a ad here, I had all kinds of Pm's sent with people's yorkies, the thing is none of them ever posted on the board, and guess what they were not to the standard. I found Chino's breeder on here and she breeds to better the breed and he is very healthy. So what I am getting at...........it takes a while to find what you are looking for and a lessoned learned don't jump through the first hoop until you seen what it at the end of it.
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Here's the thing....you have never met me or Romeo. I made the calls based on what I thought was right. I get that you have a difference of opinion. That's one thing that makes the world go round.

Some people get their points across a little gentler than others. You seem to where your angry as a badge of honor, that's fine with me. Please go and have a good day. You and I will agree to disagree on what should have taken place with my dog. I am sure that we will eye eye to eye on another point. Obviously we already see eye to eye on one - how wonderful Yorkies are!
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Before you purchased the puppy, what did she tell you was her health guarantee? The offer of a full refund for return of the allegedly sick puppy sounds good to me.
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THE OP posted what she did to warn us about this breeder.. EXACLTY what this section is for. I think she is awesome for taking this little puppy in and giving it the love and care that it needed, you are the one telling her that she should of giving it back to the breeder to be put to sleep because its not "living" the life that it should be. How is that not bashing her?? I hope you dont feel this way about everything??? I feel sorry for your dog if you do.

Oh and please tell me where the comment about the "ugly hairless dogs" fit into the conversation?? Believe it or not some people ENJOY those "ugly hairless dogs" just like you enjoy your yorkie, but you arent bashing anyone are you???
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The original post was about something that happened almost 5 years ago and I also don't see what the breeder did that was so bad. She offerred to take the puppy back for a refund. An across the board "you get your money back AND keep the puppy" type of guarantee would work fine in an honest world where everyone tells the whole truth all the time, but just doesn't work in our world. I don't know any of thse people either. The reference to ugly hairless dogs was probably because the breeder in question also has Chinese Cresteds.
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I posted about my expierence with a breeder. Plain and simple. All this talk about a refund and hairless dogs. When I got Romeo this breeder did not have a website that I know of. I have not looked at any other dogs on her website now so I don't know anything about the hairless dogs. The first thing she said was that she would put Romeo to sleep, the conversation never got far enough to discuss a refund. For me, the conversation was over when I heard she would put him to sleep. He ranked over money for me. I never asked for my money AND the dog.

I find it hard to believe that becuase I posted on a forum as it was intended all this has started.
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