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Old 09-14-2007, 03:54 PM   #76
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Your puppies are just adorable. My Conner is so spoiled that I do not believe I can get another one (although a girl at work that breeds puppies said that if I get a girl, Conner will take to her more than he would a boy). I just don't want to chance it. He has all of mommy's and daddy's attention and he just loves it.
He is just adorable too! How can you have just one though?
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I have never shown my dogs, but I did at least have them evaluated. More than once and by more than one expert. Ya know, if I'd read this statement a year ago, I would have totally disagreed with you, but the more I learn, the more I see, the more I experience, I am really starting to lean in the direction of this opinion too and am slowly but surely working myself in that direction
And the fact that you have them evaluated makes a HUGE difference. You aren't relying on your opinion only in deciding if they are of quality to show. If you have them evaluated by others that are knowledgable of the standard, then you can get other opinions on the quality of the dog.
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My self I would not buy a dog with limited registration , But only full, I feel if im paying big money for this dog its my choice to breed or not to breed this dog.
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You do not have to show to know what is show quality..but you do need to spend a lot of time at dog shows and making friends with show breeders...you really need hands on, not just reading and looking at pictures in books.

It is not true that reputable breeders never sell for breeding...many show breeders will help a serious fancier who proves them self trustworthy..but rarely will any sell to a non-standard color breeder, with good reason. Am I the only person who thinks chocolates have a weak eyed look...I have never cared for them, sorry...they remind me of a poodle..but we all know I am a dyed in the wool Yorkie snob! I admire all dogs, but only some dogs are fortune enough to be born a Yorkie...and for this reason we do all we can to preserve the standard.
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It is my choice as the breeder to say whether you will breed my dog or not...it is your decision whether to agree or not...right?
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You do not have to show to know what is show quality..but you do need to spend a lot of time at dog shows and making friends with show breeders...you really need hands on, not just reading and looking at pictures in books.

It is not true that reputable breeders never sell for breeding...many show breeders will help a serious fancier who proves them self trustworthy..but rarely will any sell to a non-standard color breeder, with good reason. Am I the only person who thinks chocolates have a weak eyed look...I have never cared for them, sorry...they remind me of a poodle..but we all know I am a dyed in the wool Yorkie snob! I admire all dogs, but only some dogs are fortune enough to be born a Yorkie...and for this reason we do all we can to preserve the standard.

I have seen some really cute chocolates, but a lot of them do have a wierd looking expression. But that's my opinion, and like I said, I have also seen some cute ones.
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"No, I did not do the work of showing, but I paid the price and sweated the sweat (if you will) to develop my lines. I see a lot of dogs with higher prices and poor quality, so come on people, my prices are not that out of the ballpark."



No problem.
You paid the price and sweated the sweat, for what? To develop your lines? What have your lines accomplished or continued for the breed?

I have no issues w/ what you charge for your Yorkies. None. To each his own. You have a product and there's a market for it willing to pay. Perfect.
I do have issue w/ you selling your chocolates for such a crazy amount, but that's me and again....oddly, there is a market for your product and they're willing to pay that price. THE PROBLEM with THAT is that MANY people figure "Hell, I spent THAT much money on the dog, I better get some puppies out of it!!" And that is what I worry about since you're not spaying/neutering them prior to their release or offering some sort of clause like I stated about giving some portion of their money back. And besides, someone that is willing to dish out that kind of cash, might not care about getting money back honestly. They'd rather have the "rare" dog on the block and get their money back by cranking out pups from yours that was sold and false advertisement of it being something special because it's a "rare" color. IT'S RARE FOR A REASON....because it's a color that's not supposed to exist within the breed's standard.


You posted back too quick for me to have gotten off of my PC and get back to work.

I have accomplished some of the happiest placements of puppies and smiles on the faces of happy families!

You did not see the word "rare" on my website. But if people cannot find one of any certain color, (like chocolate) in any and every breeder's whelping box, then.............................................. ...
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It is my choice as the breeder to say whether you will breed my dog or not...it is your decision whether to agree or not...right?
Yep...a breeder has a responsibility to make sure their puppies are going to the best homes possible. Most people aren't qualified to breed (even if a ton of people do). There is so much to learn if you are to safely breed and even then there can be serious complications that arise. I don't think I could live with myself if I sold a puppy with full registration to someone who decided to breed it (and didn't know what they were doing) and then the dog died.
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I have seen some really cute chocolates, but a lot of them do have a wierd looking expression. But that's my opinion, and like I said, I have also seen some cute ones.
Cute or not shouldn't the issue be the fact they are not to the standard??? I don't understand why any reputable breeder would intentionally breed for this. I'm not trying to make any arguments, but isnt being reputable also mean you will uphold the breed standard!!

I do realize occassionally these off colors are born and should get a good home, but shouldnt their papers have been limited so that we continue to uphold the breed standard??

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I am so sorry that you are getting threatened and harassed here on YT. Firstly, I hope that you already reported the user to Admin via a PM or email them at admin@yorkie talk.com
No one, and I mean NO ONE has the right to do that to any member on here or no anybody period. We are here as a forum to learn and share on the love we have for our Yorkies. Part of the Yorkietalk guidelines state that users are expected to behave in a courteous and and civil manner and not personally attack anyone under any circumstances. We live in a free country where luckily are allowed to express our opinions and may at times disagree with the approach or method of another member, but that does not give anyone the moral right to intimidate or threaten anyone. The user who is responsible for this should be removed from here immediately so we can get back to what this forum is truly all about period.

I personally don't understand why anyone would sacrifice precious time and energy in something so negative, I wish I had extra time to waste on senseless things.... perhaps that person should consider volunteering time in their community at a nearby shelter or church so all that extra time can be used for something positive and helpful instead.
Thank you Maria you got my back! Such kind words from most everyone and that is sooooooooooooo what YT is supposed to be about.
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It is my choice as the breeder to say whether you will breed my dog or not...it is your decision whether to agree or not...right?
LOL Rose you are so right. as the breeder it would be your choice, but as a buyer I would have to agree.
Choclates are cute, but they to me are not rare, just different same as the pati, briewers all are just so adorable, But I myself love all dogs. yes even all the mix ones. But would rather stay in the standard look.
when looking for a Yorkie I my self want to stay with good health, quality and in the standard.
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Yep...a breeder has a responsibility to make sure their puppies are going to the best homes possible. Most people aren't qualified to breed (even if a ton of people do). There is so much to learn if you are to safely breed and even then there can be serious complications that arise. I don't think I could live with myself if I sold a puppy with full registration to someone who decided to breed it (and didn't know what they were doing) and then the dog died.
Are you a breeder? A show breeder?
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I can see this tread getting over 15 pages long
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I think you should have never created this tread. I already see you getting future bad posts. And it looks like your trying to sell pups even if you stated your not. I'm not saying it's true or not but this is what it seems to many. I mean look at the title! and where you posted it. The place everyone goes. Again, I'm not saying that you are but what it seems... And it also makes it seems that you want people's sympathy but now your going to get a bigger bad reactionn then the pms you got.......

Just my thoughts .. I could be totally wrong
I did not start this thread to sell my dogs. I have never needed YT to help me sell my dogs and sure don't now either.
My purpose was to put my website on as I said when I was threatened in a PM that a person would expose my website because this person thinks that "most are against breeding tiny dogs for large profits." This person's exact words.
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Yep...a breeder has a responsibility to make sure their puppies are going to the best homes possible. Most people aren't qualified to breed (even if a ton of people do). There is so much to learn if you are to safely breed and even then there can be serious complications that arise. I don't think I could live with myself if I sold a puppy with full registration to someone who decided to breed it (and didn't know what they were doing) and then the dog died.
I agree with you there, Its the breeders responsilbility to find these babys the best of homes, thats why they all should screen, and I agree that not everyone out there should breed, and people who would try to breed these Yorkies that turn out to small I can see limited Reg on them. so Im not saying all limited registration is bad, Im just saying I wouldnt buy one with the limited Reg , I would want it to be my choice, But that dont mean I dont agree . with people not knowing any thing about breeding and breeding anyways. You see that every day and its sad. these people need the limited reg.

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