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[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

It shouldn't take paying more to obtain full registration. Full registration should only come with a show quality dog that can be championed and then bred.

NOT!

[yorkieK9trainer]

MY ISSUE:

Is that you advertise that these puppies have "champions" in their pedigrees and let me tell you from my experience that that means VERY LITTLE in regards to health, let alone quality.

I've known numerous studs in various breeds that while they went top ring, produced worse than themselves most often than not, even when bred to a quality bitch. OR they had hip/knee issues, but because they champion'd they were bred.

Just because a dog has a championship pedigree doesn't mean it/they should've been bred. It just increases the likelyhood that you might have quality on your hands.

I for one would rather see what health qualifications your studs and bitches have been screened for and passed vs. you advertising "100+ champions" in so and so's pedigree.
Especially since you have no qualms about stating that you don't show your dogs. Then please don't get your $2,500 dollars by advertising someone else's hard work to the degree that you do.


*sigh* I'm having a bad day and perhaps I shouldn't have jumped on the boards and certainly not read this thread, but I did. And there's my 2 cents.

I am sorry that someone harrassed you in a PM. I don't know what HER/HIS issue was, but now that you've brought this to my/our attention, I've posted my personal issue above.

"I have many, many, many very happy new puppy owners, some who have returned for up to their 3rd baby from me" -----------I hope you've been breeding for many, many, many years in order to have produced many, many, many puppies in which people are returning for a 3rd pup.
I'm done now.

..........They are cute.

[MyFairLacy]

I think a lot of breeders think they are reputable when they are not...but if you want to think that you are, go ahead. So far as breeding quality pups, how do you know they are of top quality when you don't show and aren't having them evaluated according to the standard? Of course all yorkies are cute, but not all are of quality to breed

[yorkieK9trainer]

"This one is sold, but Expecting Chocolate Puppies Sept 2007, AKC REGISTERED WITH FULL REGISTRATION. PRICE IS $3500.00 for male PLUS SHIPPING COST OF $250.00 AND FEMALE $3500.00 PLUS SHIPPING COST OF $250.00 "

Most other breeders practically give away off color pups (in other breeds) and either keep the dog until it's old enough to be sterilized or a contract is written up that if for example you payed $500 for the pup, once you provide proof of it's being sterilized, the breeder gives the buyer back $300 so the dog only actually cost them $200. THAT'S AWESOME!

If you love the Yorkshire Terrier breed as it is percieved in the standard, why are you selling off colored Yorkies at such an amazingly high price? No one can show them in an avenue that would encourage progeny from these pups. Without spaying/neutering them prior to them leaving your home, you're not benefiting the breed any. AND THAT'S WHAT GOOD ETHICAL YORKIE BREEDERS ARE ABOUT. Even if you don't show in conformation, FINE (I'd rather you did, but that's not a biggie....I feel that any dog that is bred should at least show some ability to work in the ring and adhears as closely to the standard as possible) get your dog examined and pass the health screening for complications known to arise within the breed, INCLUDING THE HIPS and then see if their structure at maturity is appropriate to the standard prior to breeding.

Either that, or you're creating your own "type" of Yorkie, thereby creating a dog that loosly fits the definition of a Yorkie and could be called a gorgeous dog, but not a gorgeous Yorkie.

I won't lie. I know people right now that would by your pups, chocolate ones too, because they're cute. Others would make the mistake of buying them to be bred and become breeders themselves who have no qualms of selling THOSE progeny to other homes prior to spaying/neutering.

If you're going to breed off colors, I wouldn't sell those pups to private homes without either a spay/neuter contract or neutering/spaying prior to them leaving. That's my point. Otherwise you're not doing anything to help this breed.

Do you know how many other breeds have their puppies euthanized because of their off colors? It's because the breeders love their breed as written in the standard and don't want to risk those progeny getting into the hands of others who are novice to the breed or the practise of what an ethical breeder is and ruining the breed or it's image in the populous's eyes.


I really just need to go back to working my dogs. Sorry for the rant.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

MY ISSUE:

Is that you advertise that these puppies have "champions" in their pedigrees and let me tell you from my experience that that means VERY LITTLE in regards to health, let alone quality.

I've known numerous studs in various breeds that while they went top ring, produced worse than themselves most often than not, even when bred to a quality bitch. OR they had hip/knee issues, but because they champion'd they were bred.

Just because a dog has a championship pedigree doesn't mean it/they should've been bred. It just increases the likelyhood that you might have quality on your hands.

I for one would rather see what health qualifications your studs and bitches have been screened for and passed vs. you advertising "100+ champions" in so and so's pedigree.
Especially since you have no qualms about stating that you don't show your dogs. Then please don't get your $2,500 dollars by advertising someone else's hard work to the degree that you do.


*sigh* I'm having a bad day and perhaps I shouldn't have jumped on the boards and certainly not read this thread, but I did. And there's my 2 cents.

I am sorry that someone harrassed you in a PM. I don't know what HER/HIS issue was, but now that you've brought this to my/our attention, I've posted my personal issue above.

"I have many, many, many very happy new puppy owners, some who have returned for up to their 3rd baby from me" -----------I hope you've been breeding for many, many, many years in order to have produced many, many, many puppies in which people are returning for a 3rd pup.
I'm done now.

..........They are cute.

I hear what you are saying, about the show dogs maybe some should not be bred. I picked my lines very carefully. No, I did not do the work of showing, but I paid the price and sweated the sweat (if you will) to develop my lines. I see a lot of dogs with higher prices and poor quality, so come on people, my prices are not that out of the ballpark.

I hope your day gets better and thank you for the kind words.
And yes, I have been breeding my yorkies for several years.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I think a lot of breeders think they are reputable when they are not...but if you want to think that you are, go ahead. So far as breeding quality pups, how do you know they are of top quality when you don't show and aren't having them evaluated according to the standard? Of course all yorkies are cute, but not all are of quality to breed

Yes, I not only think I am reputable, but I know I am and so do a lot of new families.

I know yorkies, I have studied them and raised them.

Are you trying to persuade me to show yorkies?

[pea496]

Your puppies are just adorable. My Conner is so spoiled that I do not believe I can get another one (although a girl at work that breeds puppies said that if I get a girl, Conner will take to her more than he would a boy). I just don't want to chance it. He has all of mommy's and daddy's attention and he just loves it.

[yorkieK9trainer]

"No, I did not do the work of showing, but I paid the price and sweated the sweat (if you will) to develop my lines. I see a lot of dogs with higher prices and poor quality, so come on people, my prices are not that out of the ballpark."



No problem.
You paid the price and sweated the sweat, for what? To develop your lines? What have your lines accomplished or continued for the breed?

I have no issues w/ what you charge for your Yorkies. None. To each his own. You have a product and there's a market for it willing to pay. Perfect.
I do have issue w/ you selling your chocolates for such a crazy amount, but that's me and again....oddly, there is a market for your product and they're willing to pay that price. THE PROBLEM with THAT is that MANY people figure "Hell, I spent THAT much money on the dog, I better get some puppies out of it!!" And that is what I worry about since you're not spaying/neutering them prior to their release or offering some sort of clause like I stated about giving some portion of their money back. And besides, someone that is willing to dish out that kind of cash, might not care about getting money back honestly. They'd rather have the "rare" dog on the block and get their money back by cranking out pups from yours that was sold and false advertisement of it being something special because it's a "rare" color. IT'S RARE FOR A REASON....because it's a color that's not supposed to exist within the breed's standard.


You posted back too quick for me to have gotten off of my PC and get back to work.

[furby2000]

Pat,
I am so sorry that you are getting threatened and harassed here on YT. Firstly, I hope that you already reported the user to Admin via a PM or email them at admin@yorkie talk.com
No one, and I mean NO ONE has the right to do that to any member on here or no anybody period. We are here as a forum to learn and share on the love we have for our Yorkies. Part of the Yorkietalk guidelines state that users are expected to behave in a courteous and and civil manner and not personally attack anyone under any circumstances. We live in a free country where luckily are allowed to express our opinions and may at times disagree with the approach or method of another member, but that does not give anyone the moral right to intimidate or threaten anyone. The user who is responsible for this should be removed from here immediately so we can get back to what this forum is truly all about period.

I personally don't understand why anyone would sacrifice precious time and energy in something so negative, I wish I had extra time to waste on senseless things.... perhaps that person should consider volunteering time in their community at a nearby shelter or church so all that extra time can be used for something positive and helpful instead.

[YorkyDiva]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

"This one is sold, but Expecting Chocolate Puppies Sept 2007, AKC REGISTERED WITH FULL REGISTRATION. PRICE IS $3500.00 for male PLUS SHIPPING COST OF $250.00 AND FEMALE $3500.00 PLUS SHIPPING COST OF $250.00 "

Most other breeders practically give away off color pups (in other breeds) and either keep the dog until it's old enough to be sterilized or a contract is written up that if for example you payed $500 for the pup, once you provide proof of it's being sterilized, the breeder gives the buyer back $300 so the dog only actually cost them $200. THAT'S AWESOME!

If you love the Yorkshire Terrier breed as it is percieved in the standard, why are you selling off colored Yorkies at such an amazingly high price? No one can show them in an avenue that would encourage progeny from these pups. Without spaying/neutering them prior to them leaving your home, you're not benefiting the breed any. AND THAT'S WHAT GOOD ETHICAL YORKIE BREEDERS ARE ABOUT. Even if you don't show in conformation, FINE (I'd rather you did, but that's not a biggie....I feel that any dog that is bred should at least show some ability to work in the ring and adhears as closely to the standard as possible) get your dog examined and pass the health screening for complications known to arise within the breed, INCLUDING THE HIPS and then see if their structure at maturity is appropriate to the standard prior to breeding.

Either that, or you're creating your own "type" of Yorkie, thereby creating a dog that loosly fits the definition of a Yorkie and could be called a gorgeous dog, but not a gorgeous Yorkie.

I won't lie. I know people right now that would by your pups, chocolate ones too, because they're cute. Others would make the mistake of buying them to be bred and become breeders themselves who have no qualms of selling THOSE progeny to other homes prior to spaying/neutering.

If you're going to breed off colors, I wouldn't sell those pups to private homes without either a spay/neuter contract or neutering/spaying prior to them leaving. That's my point. Otherwise you're not doing anything to help this breed.

Do you know how many other breeds have their puppies euthanized because of their off colors? It's because the breeders love their breed as written in the standard and don't want to risk those progeny getting into the hands of others who are novice to the breed or the practise of what an ethical breeder is and ruining the breed or it's image in the populous's eyes.


I really just need to go back to working my dogs. Sorry for the rant.

There is life for yorkies outside the showring.

Off color yorkies you say? That is so last century!

How in the heck can it be ethical to euthanize a beautiful little creature that is "off color" (your term, not mine).

You are showing me a bit of your world and what you are about as in your user name and that is NP with me. I would have love to have met a few of the show breeders and trainers on here early on when I began raising yorkies.
And your rant is NP with me.

[yorkieK9trainer]

"I personally don't understand why anyone would sacrifice precious time and energy in something so negative, I wish I had extra time to waste on senseless things.... perhaps that person should consider volunteering time in their community at a nearby shelter or church so all that extra time can be used for something positive and helpful instead. "


AMEN!

[love_me_cody]

I think you should have never created this tread. I already see you getting future bad posts. And it looks like your trying to sell pups even if you stated your not. I'm not saying it's true or not but this is what it seems to many. I mean look at the title! and where you posted it. The place everyone goes. Again, I'm not saying that you are but what it seems... And it also makes it seems that you want people's sympathy but now your going to get a bigger bad reactionn then the pms you got.......

Just my thoughts .. I could be totally wrong

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

I don't want this to be an argument. I don't think we should say that "all" breeders should do this or not do that or that "all" show breeders do this or do that.
Why would I want to limit a puppy registration from 2 dogs that are exactly the same as the puppies whether petite type or chocolate color? Unless I felt the dog should not be bred because of its size or for fear maybe a novice breeder would get ahold of it and breed it to a Big dog.
But to group the whole breeder world into "Reputable breeders only do this and Reputable breeders only do that is a mis-statement in my opinion. I have met breeders who limit everything. So that does not make them reputable, just because they limit the papers. Do you see where I am going with this? I would think that a lot of limited papers are because a breeder is afraid of someone else breeding what they have and capitalizing on their lines. Some would say that is a form of greed.
And if you think that only dogs that are show quality should be bred, and it seems that you may think that only show breeders are the only reputable breeders around. then you are thinking with a very closed mind and do not know a lot of the breeders that I have became acquainted with over the years and yes, a few show breeders. I have tried to breed for quality always, just a bit smaller version and I love the chocolates. I would like to see them shown some day and have heard some breeders are requesting it.
Showing is not for everyone. But I do love the fine little show dogs and know that there is a tremendous amount of work involved and it is their life 24/7 just as my dogs are mine.

you said

I don't want this to be an argument. I don't think we should say that "all" breeders should do this or not do that or that "all" show breeders do this or do that.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make. it is just wrong for anyone to say All show breeders do this or don't do that. Only someone with limited knowledge would say things like that and lump everyone in the same category. I am done and again, i love your little ones and am so sorry the male I had my eye on is sold already.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I think a lot of breeders think they are reputable when they are not...but if you want to think that you are, go ahead. So far as breeding quality pups, how do you know they are of top quality when you don't show and aren't having them evaluated according to the standard? Of course all yorkies are cute, but not all are of quality to breed

I have never shown my dogs, but I did at least have them evaluated. More than once and by more than one expert. Ya know, if I'd read this statement a year ago, I would have totally disagreed with you, but the more I learn, the more I see, the more I experience, I am really starting to lean in the direction of this opinion too and am slowly but surely working myself in that direction

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by YorkyDiva

There is life for yorkies outside the showring.

Off color yorkies you say? That is so last century!How in the heck can it be ethical to euthanize a beautiful little creature that is "off color" (your term, not mine).

You are showing me a bit of your world and what you are about as in your user name and that is NP with me. I would have love to have met a few of the show breeders and trainers on here early on when I began raising yorkies.
And your rant is NP with me.

No, it's not last century. The YTCA just updated the Yorkshire Terrier standard this year! The ONLY color that qualifies is Blue and Tan. Black/gold, Blue/gold, and black/tan can still be recognized but not shown. Parti, chocolate, or any other color isn't even on the registration form... So no it's not last century. Off colors are disqualified NOW