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jrsygal37 · 06-18-2007, 06:54 PM

Wemple. I do not know her reasoning. I would not buy a puppy from anyone that would not allow me to go their home. As a matter of fact someone right here on YT emailed me when I first joined and posted looking for another Yorkie. She wanted me to meet her at a McDonalds. I told her I do not do business that way. Told her that if it's for security purposes that hubby was a retired NY Police Officer. I don't want to get off subject. As I said I can ONLY speak for the conversation that I personally had with her. It did not last long and we did not get into meeting etc. due to the fact that she will not consider anyone to adopt that has any other dogs. I still stand behind that fact that I do think she is looking for the best possible match for Brandy. I'm not saying that she is great or that she herself has supplied the best home for Brandy. I don't know that but no one here knows for sure that she is not taking care of her dogs. I think the best route to go if there is a concern is to report her for POSSIBLE neglect. You can't assume and hang someone on a "YOU THINK" based on a phone call. Believe me I am an animal advocate and I'd be the first to hang someone that ever abused an animal but honestly and I've dealt with a lot of scum, and I PERSONALLY just didn't get this through my conversation. Not saying I'm right just saying how I felt talking to her. Elaine

jrsygal37 · 06-18-2007, 07:00 PM

By the way, I hope that no one here thinks that it was me that clued this lady in about YT and this conversation. LOL. I have a feeling that no one actually told her anything. Quite a few people have called etc. My best guess is that through conversation one of the callers may have mentioned being a member of a Yorkie Organization and mentioned the name Yorkietalk? She may then have gone to check the site out and found this whole thread herself? Just a thought. Elaine

yorkiegirl83 · 06-18-2007, 07:05 PM

You know, when I emailed her and said I was out of state, but would send photographs or video of my home, she DID want to talk to me.. so I don't think it's that she won't let Brandy go to an out of state home entirely.

I'm sure she's seen a lot of things in her years breeding and maybe she has had bad experiences w/people coming to her home. I am not trying to defend her, I just think that we may have been quick to judge that she's in an abusive situation w/o all the facts.

sweetr72 · 06-18-2007, 07:16 PM

Not too long ago we had a thread about how breeders feel about people coming to their homes after all the thefts of puppies from breeders in the news the past few months and MANY breeders here on YT said they do NOT want people coming to their home for that very reason...I dont find it unusual in this day and age to not let any old joe into your home..to see where you keep your babies and how to access your home for a possible theft...its scary and I can understand why people would rather meet at YOUR home and see the condition of your home..I sure hope people arent wrong about his woman...I would feel terrible if people made an assumption about me through a phone call..

Dawn

Ladyhawk · 06-19-2007, 03:18 AM

It is scary to let people into your home now days. I don't have much to steal but I don't want my home broken into just the same. We live out in the sticks and that makes you feel a bit vulnerable. I wouldn't mind meeting a buyer somewhere neutral.
We've all heard about how horrible it is for sellers to lie when placing their dogs, I know it's just as wrong for buyers to lie. We should all just hope that this lady is successful in finding Brandy her perfect forever home.

puppylove17 · 06-19-2007, 01:01 PM

I have just read through this whole thread and I must say I don't blame this lady for her reactions after so many of you plotting to lie to her and deceive her to get what you want. Brandy is her dog and when you sell a yorkie as cheaply as she has Brandy priced at you can't be too careful as there are brokers and puppymillers who would be all over this. Don't you think if she has been breeding very long that she has heard all your lies before? You get to where you have a "sense" of when someone is lying to you. Personally if I thought someone was trying to scam me to get me to sell them my dog at a low price I would probably tend to get a little rude myself.
As far as her yelling at her dogs while she was on the phone - they can be just like kids - they wait until you are on the phone to act up! lol
Anyway, I wish people would know what they are talking about before making accusations. JMHO

sweetr72 · 06-19-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

It is scary to let people into your home now days. I don't have much to steal but I don't want my home broken into just the same. We live out in the sticks and that makes you feel a bit vulnerable. I wouldn't mind meeting a buyer somewhere neutral.
We've all heard about how horrible it is for sellers to lie when placing their dogs, I know it's just as wrong for buyers to lie. We should all just hope that this lady is successful in finding Brandy her perfect forever home.

I agree and I think the hot thing now is to steal puppies!! People are doing it left and right anymore..I would have a hard time letting someone come to my house to see my puppies now adays...

Dawn

SJK1113 · 06-19-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bruizersmummy

Well Guys I have bad news, Someone Tipped the lady off that we were trying to do this, if you read the puppyfind ad you will see what I am talking about. We can still pull this off if but is will take someone who is really good at bluffing! I just posted on the other forum about it and i am VERY p^*)*#_. I can't believe there is someone on here that is a "yorkie lover" that told this lady what we are trying to do. So I am now signing off YT and I will not be back on. I will find my Aunt a Yorkie and no matter whatshe will love it. I just thought Brandy would be better off with my Aunt and vice versa. But oh well. Thank you to all those who tryed to help and who ever tipped her off. I hope you enjoy hurting yorkies, like you are allowing poor Brandy to be hurt. Who ever did it is probebly a puppy mill or a BYB anyways so I guess they all stick together!!!!!! Enjoy the "YORKIE LOVERS" and the "NOT SO YORKIE LOVERS" on here.

Well, I don't know who could have "tipped her off", but I don't think anyone on YT did. For all we know, the lady is a member. Or, maybe she just reads and doesn't post. Whatever the case, I don't understand why you feel you have to leave YT over it, I'm sure no one did anything to directly hurt you or prevent you from getting this dog. I think everyone just wants to see her in a good, loving home.

jeanief · 06-20-2007, 10:46 AM

This lady sounds a bit " off " but there are many buyers who are " off " too. I am always glad to help people, but as a breeder, some of the questions are really strange. I think to myself , you should buy a stuffed animal instead. I think she was very rude, but who knows how many emails she got asking her to sell the dog to them that were not in her state or had other animals? If she wants the dog to only go to someone with a pink house thats her choice. To me the dog doesn't look like she is in bad condition and needs to be removed ASAP. Big red flag that she won't let people come to her house but there can be reasons for that other than a puppymill or abuse. I wouldn't buy from someone like that and I am not sticking up for her, but really, it's been reported and they will check it out. 1.) If you don't like her business practices don't buy from her. 2.) If you meet her qualifications for a home, great, 3.) if you think she is abusing dogs report it to the authorities.

CO_yorkie_momma · 06-20-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wemple2

What is her reasoning for not allowing anyone to go to her place??? I would never buy a dog or puppy from someone that wouldn't allow me to visit her place of business...she's hiding something, I'd bet on it. And she is more than welcome to come to my house, fence and all...but no way, not out of state, why not, when she ships her puppies anywhere. Something just smells rotten. I just don't understand her thought process, nor her way of doing business, it's improper business practice to treat potential buyers the way she did. And in the mean time Brandy is the one suffering. Maybe I'll send her an email,state the facts, and see how she responds.

My guess and it is only a guess is it could be any reason:
1. she may have more dogs than she is supposed to have or...
2. She may have new puppies and dont want them being exposed to people. Something no breeder would want.
3. It is easier to meet somewhere than bathe and groom all of your dogs for people to come and look at all of them.
4. Maybe the dogs arent all potty trained and she would have to shampoo carpets and do heavy cleaning to get the place ready and that is alot of work
5. She has had a bad experience in the past with nosy people coming to her house and turning her in for whatever reasons they felt she wasnt doing this or that right.

Plain and simple, it is just easier would be my guess, she may have nothing to hide at all. Having alot of dogs is alot of work and if you have dogs in long coats and people come to your house every few days to look at dogs, that is alot of grooming to do to keep them all looking nice.

Doesnt give her the right to be so nasty to people when they inquire about wanting to find Brandy a home tho even if she is just doing what is right for the dog. Her Puppyfind ad is just plain rude and I would never buy a dog from someone that posted something like that. Must have more business than she needs.

wemple2 · 06-20-2007, 05:18 PM

I'll be the first to admit that I am not an expert...I have only purchased two yorkies in my entire life, both times I was allowed to enter the breeders home...there business', and given access to meet the puppies, and see both sets of parents. If I had been denied the ability to do so, I would not have purchased the puppies I did. Both breeders properties were clean, organized and I could see for myself, how these babies were being raised. If she is so afraid of strangers, maybe it's for a very good reason...and she shouldn't be in business for herself. My husband and I are small business owners...not puppies, but still...we would not have a business if we didn't allow people on our property, good grief...I can not imagine, treating customers like they have the plaque. And if she's raising puppies for sale, she needs to have better business practices...her place SHOULD be kept clean, and safe for those babies...she shouldn't have to worry about cleaning before customers come to purchase a puppy...it should already be clean. And no she doesn't have to let every Tom, Dick and Harry come see the pups...that's why she should do background checks...and only let those that are qualified to be new pet owners into her place of business. I have decided...that I will not do any business with this woman, or anyone like her. There are quality breeders out there, they're not that hard to find...that would welcome my business and my money!!! I merely felt sorry for Brandy...I feel she does deserve a better life, one I believe she could and should have gotten a chance to live.

JCarlson2004 · 06-21-2007, 05:33 AM

I don't fault her for not allowing people into her home. If I were a breeder, I probably wouldn't either ... especially after hearing about that mama Yorkie and the pups being stolen (that story was awful). It's just a huge risk.

I know we'd all love to go to a breeder's home to meet her and her family and see where our pup came from but in this crazy world, it's just too risky. People can't be trusted. Yorkies are too popular and expensive right now. Some people who can't afford them or who want to resell them will do anything to get one ... even come into a trusting, caring breeder's home and steal them.

However, in this particular case, I feel the breeder has something to hide. She received a few very nice and polite e-mail inquiries about her Yorkie for sale and her response was rude and sounded totally defensive. Why be defensive if you have nothing to hide? And before you say she was defensive because she found out what a few YT'ers had planned, I'm talking about BEFORE she found out. She just started out nasty and rude and to me that's a huge red flag. I would never give my hard earned money to a rude and snotty breeder.

sweetr72 · 06-21-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

I don't fault her for not allowing people into her home. If I were a breeder, I probably wouldn't either ... especially after hearing about that mama Yorkie and the pups being stolen (that story was awful). It's just a huge risk.

I know we'd all love to go to a breeder's home to meet her and her family and see where our pup came from but in this crazy world, it's just too risky. People can't be trusted. Yorkies are too popular and expensive right now. Some people who can't afford them or who want to resell them will do anything to get one ... even come into a trusting, caring breeder's home and steal them.

However, in this particular case, I feel the breeder has something to hide. She received a few very nice and polite e-mail inquiries about her Yorkie for sale and her response was rude and sounded totally defensive. Why be defensive if you have nothing to hide? And before you say she was defensive because she found out what a few YT'ers had planned, I'm talking about BEFORE she found out. She just started out nasty and rude and to me that's a huge red flag. I would never give my hard earned money to a rude and snotty breeder.

I emailed her at first too to see how she would react to my email...yes I lied in my email...BUT this was before she found out about YT and she was nothing but nice to me in her email...she was NOT rude at all...very polite and asked alot of questions about my knowledge of yorkies, my home, my family etc..she seems very knowledgeable and like she is just doing her best to find Brandy a home...just thought id add this as she just was very pleasant to me...

Dawn

CO_yorkie_momma · 06-21-2007, 01:39 PM

Nobody knows for sure if someone from YT tipped her off. I think people just assumed that since this is where they were posting their plan to get her. Anybody could have read this or some other people could have been talking about it on another forum. If she is a large scale breeder I am sure she has customers not only here on YT but on other forums too and anyone of them could have told her. Maybe one or two people used the "rescue" word in their emails to her. Who knows but I dont think people should just assume she was tipped off from someone here.

Susan123 · 06-22-2007, 03:32 AM

[QUOTE=CO_yorkie_momma;1187334]My guess and it is only a guess is it could be any reason:

2. She may have new puppies and dont want them being exposed to people. Something no breeder would want.
3. It is easier to meet somewhere than bathe and groom all of your dogs for people to come and look at all of them.

Plain and simple, it is just easier would be my guess, she may have nothing to hide at all. Having alot of dogs is alot of work and if you have dogs in long coats and people come to your house every few days to look at dogs, that is alot of grooming to do to keep them all looking nice.

QUOTE]

I have been contemplating meeting families in town every since the dognappings/breakins. These are a couple more reasons that would add to it, particular #2 but I almost never have one litter at a time. Nevertheless, Parvo can still be carried about and can wipe out a litter. Over protective, but I'm taking care of the babies for their new owners as I would if they were mine. The burglaries, some people can be very pushy. I make it a point to get to know everyone, but it's not failproof. I have children and would never want them to be subjected to any violence of course. I teach them not to talk to strangers and not to open the door to strangers Why would I let strangers in my home now? That's just commen sense to me as I write it. I've always allowed everyone to come in but have always worried about these 2, I think I'd rather have peace of mind.

#3, My house is clean, dogs are bathed and groomed regularly, but I put ALOT of pressure on myself when visitors, weekends, clients, anyone comes around. Having health problems, running a home with children and pets, it's a full time job and I make it harder on myself.

I understand this lady was rude and said some pretty weird things. But if all of a sudden I started getting emails that I was suspicious of (A breeder knows, it's a gut feeling. I pray over my puppies and where they go, so I have inside information lol), I would be blunt (you have to be) and possibly rude if said person constantly pressed and pressed. Not like this lady was, granted. But I would kindly write an email stating that I'm declining this sale, thanks for the inquiry, and best wishes in finding a new puppy. That with an explaination or not. Breeders have little time on their hands they have very full lives like we all do. And I imagine they don't like their chains being jerked. I know some feel this is a rescue, so I'm not saying the above is what is going on. Reporting it is what was best after have hard facts, instead of fraudulent emails. JMHO

06-19-2007, 03:18 AM	#215
Ladyhawk YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,808	It is scary to let people into your home now days. I don't have much to steal but I don't want my home broken into just the same. We live out in the sticks and that makes you feel a bit vulnerable. I wouldn't mind meeting a buyer somewhere neutral. We've all heard about how horrible it is for sellers to lie when placing their dogs, I know it's just as wrong for buyers to lie. We should all just hope that this lady is successful in finding Brandy her perfect forever home. __________________ Tami

06-19-2007, 01:01 PM	#216
puppylove17 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 157	Pot calling the Kettle?? I have just read through this whole thread and I must say I don't blame this lady for her reactions after so many of you plotting to lie to her and deceive her to get what you want. Brandy is her dog and when you sell a yorkie as cheaply as she has Brandy priced at you can't be too careful as there are brokers and puppymillers who would be all over this. Don't you think if she has been breeding very long that she has heard all your lies before? You get to where you have a "sense" of when someone is lying to you. Personally if I thought someone was trying to scam me to get me to sell them my dog at a low price I would probably tend to get a little rude myself. As far as her yelling at her dogs while she was on the phone - they can be just like kids - they wait until you are on the phone to act up! lol Anyway, I wish people would know what they are talking about before making accusations. JMHO

06-20-2007, 05:18 PM	#221
wemple2 Wee Winston Wiggles Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kewanee, Illinois Posts: 9,666	I'll be the first to admit that I am not an expert...I have only purchased two yorkies in my entire life, both times I was allowed to enter the breeders home...there business', and given access to meet the puppies, and see both sets of parents. If I had been denied the ability to do so, I would not have purchased the puppies I did. Both breeders properties were clean, organized and I could see for myself, how these babies were being raised. If she is so afraid of strangers, maybe it's for a very good reason...and she shouldn't be in business for herself. My husband and I are small business owners...not puppies, but still...we would not have a business if we didn't allow people on our property, good grief...I can not imagine, treating customers like they have the plaque. And if she's raising puppies for sale, she needs to have better business practices...her place SHOULD be kept clean, and safe for those babies...she shouldn't have to worry about cleaning before customers come to purchase a puppy...it should already be clean. And no she doesn't have to let every Tom, Dick and Harry come see the pups...that's why she should do background checks...and only let those that are qualified to be new pet owners into her place of business. I have decided...that I will not do any business with this woman, or anyone like her. There are quality breeders out there, they're not that hard to find...that would welcome my business and my money!!! I merely felt sorry for Brandy...I feel she does deserve a better life, one I believe she could and should have gotten a chance to live. __________________ As Ever, Kathy Intruducing Bentley Winston and Spencer: RIP My Sweet Angels

06-21-2007, 05:33 AM	#222
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,287	I don't fault her for not allowing people into her home. If I were a breeder, I probably wouldn't either ... especially after hearing about that mama Yorkie and the pups being stolen (that story was awful). It's just a huge risk. I know we'd all love to go to a breeder's home to meet her and her family and see where our pup came from but in this crazy world, it's just too risky. People can't be trusted. Yorkies are too popular and expensive right now. Some people who can't afford them or who want to resell them will do anything to get one ... even come into a trusting, caring breeder's home and steal them. However, in this particular case, I feel the breeder has something to hide. She received a few very nice and polite e-mail inquiries about her Yorkie for sale and her response was rude and sounded totally defensive. Why be defensive if you have nothing to hide? And before you say she was defensive because she found out what a few YT'ers had planned, I'm talking about BEFORE she found out. She just started out nasty and rude and to me that's a huge red flag. I would never give my hard earned money to a rude and snotty breeder. __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

06-22-2007, 03:32 AM	#225
Susan123 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,455	[QUOTE=CO_yorkie_momma;1187334]My guess and it is only a guess is it could be any reason: 2. She may have new puppies and dont want them being exposed to people. Something no breeder would want. 3. It is easier to meet somewhere than bathe and groom all of your dogs for people to come and look at all of them. Plain and simple, it is just easier would be my guess, she may have nothing to hide at all. Having alot of dogs is alot of work and if you have dogs in long coats and people come to your house every few days to look at dogs, that is alot of grooming to do to keep them all looking nice. QUOTE] I have been contemplating meeting families in town every since the dognappings/breakins. These are a couple more reasons that would add to it, particular #2 but I almost never have one litter at a time. Nevertheless, Parvo can still be carried about and can wipe out a litter. Over protective, but I'm taking care of the babies for their new owners as I would if they were mine. The burglaries, some people can be very pushy. I make it a point to get to know everyone, but it's not failproof. I have children and would never want them to be subjected to any violence of course. I teach them not to talk to strangers and not to open the door to strangers Why would I let strangers in my home now? That's just commen sense to me as I write it. I've always allowed everyone to come in but have always worried about these 2, I think I'd rather have peace of mind. #3, My house is clean, dogs are bathed and groomed regularly, but I put ALOT of pressure on myself when visitors, weekends, clients, anyone comes around. Having health problems, running a home with children and pets, it's a full time job and I make it harder on myself. I understand this lady was rude and said some pretty weird things. But if all of a sudden I started getting emails that I was suspicious of (A breeder knows, it's a gut feeling. I pray over my puppies and where they go, so I have inside information lol), I would be blunt (you have to be) and possibly rude if said person constantly pressed and pressed. Not like this lady was, granted. But I would kindly write an email stating that I'm declining this sale, thanks for the inquiry, and best wishes in finding a new puppy. That with an explaination or not. Breeders have little time on their hands they have very full lives like we all do. And I imagine they don't like their chains being jerked. I know some feel this is a rescue, so I'm not saying the above is what is going on. Reporting it is what was best after have hard facts, instead of fraudulent emails. JMHO Last edited by Susan123; 06-22-2007 at 03:34 AM.

06-18-2007, 06:54 PM	#211
jrsygal37 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,370	Wemple. I do not know her reasoning. I would not buy a puppy from anyone that would not allow me to go their home. As a matter of fact someone right here on YT emailed me when I first joined and posted looking for another Yorkie. She wanted me to meet her at a McDonalds. I told her I do not do business that way. Told her that if it's for security purposes that hubby was a retired NY Police Officer. I don't want to get off subject. As I said I can ONLY speak for the conversation that I personally had with her. It did not last long and we did not get into meeting etc. due to the fact that she will not consider anyone to adopt that has any other dogs. I still stand behind that fact that I do think she is looking for the best possible match for Brandy. I'm not saying that she is great or that she herself has supplied the best home for Brandy. I don't know that but no one here knows for sure that she is not taking care of her dogs. I think the best route to go if there is a concern is to report her for POSSIBLE neglect. You can't assume and hang someone on a "YOU THINK" based on a phone call. Believe me I am an animal advocate and I'd be the first to hang someone that ever abused an animal but honestly and I've dealt with a lot of scum, and I PERSONALLY just didn't get this through my conversation. Not saying I'm right just saying how I felt talking to her. Elaine

06-18-2007, 07:00 PM	#212
jrsygal37 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,370	By the way, I hope that no one here thinks that it was me that clued this lady in about YT and this conversation. LOL. I have a feeling that no one actually told her anything. Quite a few people have called etc. My best guess is that through conversation one of the callers may have mentioned being a member of a Yorkie Organization and mentioned the name Yorkietalk? She may then have gone to check the site out and found this whole thread herself? Just a thought. Elaine

06-18-2007, 07:05 PM	#213
yorkiegirl83 Love My Furbabies! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: somewhere Posts: 4,427	You know, when I emailed her and said I was out of state, but would send photographs or video of my home, she DID want to talk to me.. so I don't think it's that she won't let Brandy go to an out of state home entirely. I'm sure she's seen a lot of things in her years breeding and maybe she has had bad experiences w/people coming to her home. I am not trying to defend her, I just think that we may have been quick to judge that she's in an abusive situation w/o all the facts.

06-18-2007, 07:16 PM	#214
sweetr72 No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,111	Not too long ago we had a thread about how breeders feel about people coming to their homes after all the thefts of puppies from breeders in the news the past few months and MANY breeders here on YT said they do NOT want people coming to their home for that very reason...I dont find it unusual in this day and age to not let any old joe into your home..to see where you keep your babies and how to access your home for a possible theft...its scary and I can understand why people would rather meet at YOUR home and see the condition of your home..I sure hope people arent wrong about his woman...I would feel terrible if people made an assumption about me through a phone call.. Dawn

06-20-2007, 10:46 AM	#219
jeanief YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 307	This lady sounds a bit " off " but there are many buyers who are " off " too. I am always glad to help people, but as a breeder, some of the questions are really strange. I think to myself , you should buy a stuffed animal instead. I think she was very rude, but who knows how many emails she got asking her to sell the dog to them that were not in her state or had other animals? If she wants the dog to only go to someone with a pink house thats her choice. To me the dog doesn't look like she is in bad condition and needs to be removed ASAP. Big red flag that she won't let people come to her house but there can be reasons for that other than a puppymill or abuse. I wouldn't buy from someone like that and I am not sticking up for her, but really, it's been reported and they will check it out. 1.) If you don't like her business practices don't buy from her. 2.) If you meet her qualifications for a home, great, 3.) if you think she is abusing dogs report it to the authorities.

06-21-2007, 01:39 PM	#224
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	Nobody knows for sure if someone from YT tipped her off. I think people just assumed that since this is where they were posting their plan to get her. Anybody could have read this or some other people could have been talking about it on another forum. If she is a large scale breeder I am sure she has customers not only here on YT but on other forums too and anyone of them could have told her. Maybe one or two people used the "rescue" word in their emails to her. Who knows but I dont think people should just assume she was tipped off from someone here.