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Myzzbrat · 03-19-2007, 01:07 PM

I agree here. Your not a bad breeder. She should have known she was not going to get away with a pup on a no animal flight. Therapy dog or not she took the chance of going there nowing fair well that her pup was not a therapy pup and it would be extremely hard to pass it as one. I think you have to show some kind of license or certificate that your a certified Therapy dog person (sorry dont know the exact terminology here) I've heard of it before and i know that my friends mom's friends cousin (thats where i've heard it so please excuse the terminology) that she had to show she was an actual handler/raiser of Therapy and guidance dogs to be able to travel with her new pups/training dogs. I for one if I was in the moneys to buy a pup and knowing what she looked like and was happy with her I WOULD BUY A PUP FROM YOU. I also think you have every right to deduct your expenses from her deposit. Heck you only asked 200 there are more breeders that demand more. Its only fair that you get your money back out of this bad deal because she didnt look into all the proper proceedings in bringing puppy home.

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Originally Posted by chachi

Was this a yorkietalker? If so I am surprised they didnt know their airlines didnt accept pets. I dont think your a bad breeder. I think she is a bad buyer. It just sounds like she was unprepared all the way around

YorkieRose · 03-19-2007, 02:29 PM

I would have given the deposit back and said bye-bye...when it comes to breeding dogs, you can not count the dollars and hope to come out even..that is just the way it is..I hate the stress of these things, giving back the deposit and going to the next person waiting for a puppy would make it all go away for me...
We all have to do what we decide is best..I always perfer to return the money..Oh, I could fight for what is due me, but why bother, the next buyer will make up the difference. This kind iof stress will wreck your health and make life HELL...I wish all of life's problems could be solved so easily...best wishes

YorkieRose · 03-19-2007, 02:39 PM

I did not mean to say your problem was trivial...I just wish all of lifes problems were so ease for us to fix..see my point...

Lorraine · 03-19-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I would have given the deposit back and said bye-bye...when it comes to breeding dogs, you can not count the dollars and hope to come out even..that is just the way it is..I hate the stress of these things, giving back the deposit and going to the next person waiting for a puppy would make it all go away for me...
We all have to do what we decide is best..I always perfer to return the money..Oh, I could fight for what is due me, but why bother, the next buyer will make up the difference. This kind iof stress will wreck your health and make life HELL...I wish all of life's problems could be solved so easily...best wishes

I agree with you there Pat. I do the same thing and would rather my puppy or dog go to a forever home that is just right and a good relationship with the buyer and return any money to the person it didn't work out with. I have given full refunds when a puppy was returned for no other reason than it was more than they thought they were getting into.
Oh it is a headache alright but I don't want my puppy in the middle of a problem or wrong home.

Katys mom · 03-19-2007, 03:09 PM

The only thing I can add to what has been said is be careful taking money orders and cashiers checks. They are easily forged.

Lorraine · 03-19-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Katys mom

The only thing I can add to what has been said is be careful taking money orders and cashiers checks. They are easily forged.

You are absolutely right there. I guess that's why I sell locally unless it is a trusted friend if they live elsewhere.

MCAM · 03-19-2007, 05:33 PM

I was the original buyer
I wasnt going to post to this thread because this situation was between me and Kathy and no one else. But since this thread is gaining some attention, i thought you should hear my side of the story. First of all everything that Kathy has stated is all true but there is more behind this. I did make sure I was going to be able to take her on board prior to getting there, I spoke to several people ( I can cite their names as well) and they told me what i needed and I got what I needed but once I got there. The attendant said my letter was from the wrong type of Dr. If it would have been on a weekday I would have been good to go because they said they would just call to verify.Since it was on the weekend my Dr.'s office was closed and thats when it became a problem.

Also K never told me what type of payment to pay her with, my other 2 girls I paid both with checks from other breeders and had no problems and since she cashed my deposit in a check I thought that was good enough for her to trust me. Again, she did not specify I could not pay with a check. I did not pay for her upfront at the airport after all this mess because I needed to know how and when I was going to be getting her and talk to my hubby before giving her the money, I did NOT, and do not expect her or anyone to send me a puppy without it being fully paid for. I was simply going to get back to her by Sunday or Monday on how I was going to get her and then send her another form of payment but once I told her that I needed to do this she became very hostile towards me and told me fine I will send you the deposit and just sell her to someone else and walked off. Meanwhile I am trying to catch up to her and she is speaking to me very rude making me look like a fool in front of people, very embarrasing for me.

So I flew back home and emailed her that night apologizing and hoping that she would understand that I had no control of what was going to happen I can only go by what the airline told me. She called my house since I told her to notify me asap on when I would be getting my deposit back, when she called she was very rude and started accusing me that I was ripping off the system and making it sound like I was lying. Now i don't need to explain my medical situation with anyone and telling me I used that as an excuse to get the puppy on board for free. This was my second time flying ever!!! Being that I don't like being enclosed for long perods of time, and since this was going to be very short flight I dealt with it but I do not abuse the system at all.

I do not agree with some of the things she is charging me, I asked her if she would take half and she said no, I am trying to resolve this issue in a kindly matter without bad mouthing one or another. Breeders have to watch their backs, just as we as buyers have to as well! I could have caused more problems than just what she has said and by emails as some of you breeders have probably dealt with a lot worse but I am not like that. Again there was never a written contract or verbal agreement about my deposit. I know several breeders that I have spoken to mention this upfront and there is a contract...........

But thats that I said my side of the story, I thought I should say something, now that she has. I do NOT think that I am irresponsible or not trustworthy to breeders as I don't think Kathy is a bad breeder either, this just did not work out..............simple as that! I guess I will see if I do get any portion (as she said I was) of my deposit as I think I am entitled to. I am also currently talking to another breeder that is so wonderful and everything is in contract and all to protect both of us which thats how it should be!!!!!!!!! And this time I will not be taking SW now that I know....

I have learned soooo much and have met many wonderful people on this board, I hope none of this changes, there are always two sides to every story

Thank you

mojo · 03-19-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies

Congratulation on your son, how exciting! Looks like we might see him in the NFL someday!. Tell him to stay local and play for the colts

Now wouldnt that be a hoot.

Oh goodness Kathy.....What a headache about the airline mix up! THat deposit sounds like a keeper to me. Not sure why anyone would feel you driving to the airport, staying there for who know how long, going thru the appts, and etc would not entitle you to it. Then if you told her cash, why would she attempt to pay with a check? If I was the purchaser I would be afraid I would go all that way to come home empty handed, because some breeders would say Im sorry but that was not the agreement. No one wants to deal with a possible bad check, how fun to try to get it cleared, and the person lives hundreds of miles away. No thanks!
I had a situation once where the people drove 5 hours for a puppy. When they got here, they said they forgot their money. They said Hows about we take the dog home and send it to you. I said Hows about we dont.
They were really nice people, and the daughter was so upset and crying, I probably would have chanced a check at that time, but they didnt even have a check either. They had a friend with them, and she kindly took a cash advance on her credit card to pay for the dog, so they didnt have to drive back without the puppy. The truth is they probably would have been good for the money, but a little voice kept saying "DOnt do it dont do it" COn artists are nice too, that is how they get ya conned! The people called me later and said they understood and never got mad. They said it was their mistake not mine. Just like the airline mistake is not yours.
Or how about this one. A deposit is sent, I hold the dog for an extended period of time because they are moving........it was a heck of a long move. Then the day they were suppose to pick up the baby, I wait for hours, at one point they say they are on their way, I call back two hours later, they are still home! They never show up and say I will call later. Well that was it for me, I decided the puppy was not going with them. I find a great home I feel comfy with. I wait for the other people to call, to reschedule, and I would explain the situation to them and I would send back their deposit. I never hear from them until 2 months later! And yes they want their deposit back or a puppy. I ask why didnt you ever call back and left me hanging? They say we ran into some problems, and became homeless twice, my boss ripped me off, etc. Heavens! And I considered these people for one of my puppies. They sounded nice and stable in the beginning, but people sure do fool ya sometimes.
I do hope it all works out, try not to worry about it, gotta stay healthy to watch your son strut his stuff!

I remember your story of the people not getting the puppy and never calling back about the deposit. What did you tell them? I hope you didnt send their deposit, they sound like freaks.

YorkieRose · 03-19-2007, 06:02 PM

These things are totally private between the breeder and buyer IMO... there is no place on the forums for discussing the details of a sale of a puppy, good, bad or indifferent..IMO..(unless someone has been scammed, bought a sick puppy etc..screws up like this happen, details were not worked out..and that is the breeders responsibility to inform the buyer of all that is expected, so they can agree or not agree BEFORE..

We have ALL had problems, me included..but it will be a cold day in XXXX before anyone will be discussing it on a forum with people who have no business discussing it...

peanut · 03-19-2007, 06:18 PM

I agree with you YorkieRose its none of our business....but I can understand why the buyer told her side...now we have all read both sides, and it doesn't matter to any of us because we shouldn't have been involved in the first place...

YorkieRose · 03-20-2007, 05:03 AM

I think everyone should be extremely careful right now...this is exactly how the last law suit got started..and that was heard all over the Yorkie world, plus it black listed a number of breeder with potential.

I do not fault the buyer for posting..I fault the breeder for making a private matter personal..and for goodness sakes take the high road and return the deposit..in the long run it will save you a ton of stress..many things in life are NOT a matter of being right or wrong...it is a matter of doing what is right for the situation. IF you want to fight, believe me, many in the Yorkie world will be more then happy to take you on again...

YorkieRose · 03-20-2007, 05:08 AM

I want to add...this is the last post I will make on this matter...I am a lover, not a fighter..LOL

lisatodd · 03-20-2007, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I want to add...this is the last post I will make on this matter...I am a lover, not a fighter..LOL

i agree. give back the deposit b/c you know you will be able to find a home for that little baby.
like my husband said to me, NO DEPOSIT WILL EVER BE NON-REFUNDABLE. that is just the right thing to do.

red98vett · 03-20-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by peanut

I agree with you YorkieRose its none of our business....but I can understand why the buyer told her side...now we have all read both sides, and it doesn't matter to any of us because we shouldn't have been involved in the first place...

I have to agree....one shouldn't post only one side of a story epecially when the other person is a member here...it only makes things worse for both parties involved.

It sure didn't sound like anyone was trying to scam anyone and those are the kinds of warnings we should be reading about - not misunderstandings...sorry - that's JMO

Sugar's Mom · 03-20-2007, 05:21 AM

i do not think anyone was trying to do anyone wrong either. just a gross misunderstanding . both parities should have had a firm deal from the get go. i think Admin would be wise to close this thread.

03-19-2007, 02:29 PM	#32
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Jmo I would have given the deposit back and said bye-bye...when it comes to breeding dogs, you can not count the dollars and hope to come out even..that is just the way it is..I hate the stress of these things, giving back the deposit and going to the next person waiting for a puppy would make it all go away for me... We all have to do what we decide is best..I always perfer to return the money..Oh, I could fight for what is due me, but why bother, the next buyer will make up the difference. This kind iof stress will wreck your health and make life HELL...I wish all of life's problems could be solved so easily...best wishes

03-19-2007, 02:39 PM	#33
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	problem I did not mean to say your problem was trivial...I just wish all of lifes problems were so ease for us to fix..see my point...

03-19-2007, 05:33 PM	#37
MCAM Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: everywhere Posts: 51	My side of the story........ I was the original buyer I wasnt going to post to this thread because this situation was between me and Kathy and no one else. But since this thread is gaining some attention, i thought you should hear my side of the story. First of all everything that Kathy has stated is all true but there is more behind this. I did make sure I was going to be able to take her on board prior to getting there, I spoke to several people ( I can cite their names as well) and they told me what i needed and I got what I needed but once I got there. The attendant said my letter was from the wrong type of Dr. If it would have been on a weekday I would have been good to go because they said they would just call to verify.Since it was on the weekend my Dr.'s office was closed and thats when it became a problem. Also K never told me what type of payment to pay her with, my other 2 girls I paid both with checks from other breeders and had no problems and since she cashed my deposit in a check I thought that was good enough for her to trust me. Again, she did not specify I could not pay with a check. I did not pay for her upfront at the airport after all this mess because I needed to know how and when I was going to be getting her and talk to my hubby before giving her the money, I did NOT, and do not expect her or anyone to send me a puppy without it being fully paid for. I was simply going to get back to her by Sunday or Monday on how I was going to get her and then send her another form of payment but once I told her that I needed to do this she became very hostile towards me and told me fine I will send you the deposit and just sell her to someone else and walked off. Meanwhile I am trying to catch up to her and she is speaking to me very rude making me look like a fool in front of people, very embarrasing for me. So I flew back home and emailed her that night apologizing and hoping that she would understand that I had no control of what was going to happen I can only go by what the airline told me. She called my house since I told her to notify me asap on when I would be getting my deposit back, when she called she was very rude and started accusing me that I was ripping off the system and making it sound like I was lying. Now i don't need to explain my medical situation with anyone and telling me I used that as an excuse to get the puppy on board for free. This was my second time flying ever!!! Being that I don't like being enclosed for long perods of time, and since this was going to be very short flight I dealt with it but I do not abuse the system at all. I do not agree with some of the things she is charging me, I asked her if she would take half and she said no, I am trying to resolve this issue in a kindly matter without bad mouthing one or another. Breeders have to watch their backs, just as we as buyers have to as well! I could have caused more problems than just what she has said and by emails as some of you breeders have probably dealt with a lot worse but I am not like that. Again there was never a written contract or verbal agreement about my deposit. I know several breeders that I have spoken to mention this upfront and there is a contract........... But thats that I said my side of the story, I thought I should say something, now that she has. I do NOT think that I am irresponsible or not trustworthy to breeders as I don't think Kathy is a bad breeder either, this just did not work out..............simple as that! I guess I will see if I do get any portion (as she said I was) of my deposit as I think I am entitled to. I am also currently talking to another breeder that is so wonderful and everything is in contract and all to protect both of us which thats how it should be!!!!!!!!! And this time I will not be taking SW now that I know.... I have learned soooo much and have met many wonderful people on this board, I hope none of this changes, there are always two sides to every story Thank you

03-19-2007, 06:02 PM	#39
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	puppy These things are totally private between the breeder and buyer IMO... there is no place on the forums for discussing the details of a sale of a puppy, good, bad or indifferent..IMO..(unless someone has been scammed, bought a sick puppy etc..screws up like this happen, details were not worked out..and that is the breeders responsibility to inform the buyer of all that is expected, so they can agree or not agree BEFORE.. We have ALL had problems, me included..but it will be a cold day in XXXX before anyone will be discussing it on a forum with people who have no business discussing it...

03-19-2007, 06:18 PM	#40
peanut Dogs Rule Cats Drool! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7,895	I agree with you YorkieRose its none of our business....but I can understand why the buyer told her side...now we have all read both sides, and it doesn't matter to any of us because we shouldn't have been involved in the first place... __________________ KIM

03-19-2007, 03:09 PM	#35
Katys mom I love yorkie kisses Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,751	The only thing I can add to what has been said is be careful taking money orders and cashiers checks. They are easily forged.

03-20-2007, 05:03 AM	#41
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	post I think everyone should be extremely careful right now...this is exactly how the last law suit got started..and that was heard all over the Yorkie world, plus it black listed a number of breeder with potential. I do not fault the buyer for posting..I fault the breeder for making a private matter personal..and for goodness sakes take the high road and return the deposit..in the long run it will save you a ton of stress..many things in life are NOT a matter of being right or wrong...it is a matter of doing what is right for the situation. IF you want to fight, believe me, many in the Yorkie world will be more then happy to take you on again...

03-20-2007, 05:08 AM	#42
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	post I want to add...this is the last post I will make on this matter...I am a lover, not a fighter..LOL

03-20-2007, 05:21 AM	#45
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	i do not think anyone was trying to do anyone wrong either. just a gross misunderstanding . both parities should have had a firm deal from the get go. i think Admin would be wise to close this thread.