I need to find...... can you help?

[JeanieK]

Whoa! Sorry for the welcoming committee, Kid.

The second I saw the word TEACUP, I knew they were going to "Whup Up" on you.

There are a lot of very nice people on here, They're all just a little "over " protective.

Many, if not most, of them believe they are experts on yorkies and apparently they were born experts, because they don't remember ever "NOT" knowing all about them.

I think you kind hearted, informative people are being a little harsh. She asked a question and how is she supposed to learn if she doesn't ask.

You can educate without belittling, and it's really not nice to talk about her as if she can't read.

Don't run off ruskeerm. they're really nice people, just a bit overzealous.

My first post was about breeding too, and by the time they got through beating me up, I was sure that was the only person on the forum who wan't qualified to breed yorkies, because I was dumb enough to ask a question about it.

But I'm still here, because I had a genuine desire to learn about breeding and about the breed.

Hope to see more posts from you

[JeanieK]

Oh and BTW, Welcome to YT.

The friendliest yorkie forum on the net. LOL

[peanut]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh and BTW, Welcome to YT.

The friendliest yorkie forum on the net. LOL

I doubt she is thinking that now.....I haven't seen her post since then so she might not come back.... I wish people would think before they post not so nice things..she was asking a honest question, maybe she didn't know what to call a yorkie under 4 pounds...who knows but I knew she was going to get jump on too...how do you learn but from your mistakes...

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by peanut

I doubt she is thinking that now.....I haven't seen her post since then so she might not come back.... I wish people would think before they post not so nice things..she was asking a honest question, maybe she didn't know what to call a yorkie under 4 pounds...who knows but I knew she was going to get jump on too...how do you learn but from your mistakes...

That's right, no one was born knowing all of this and I'll bet even the best of breeders asked a few seemingly stupid questioins and made some dumb mistakes.

I was always told there are no stupid questions, if you don't know then ask. Many of you posters told her she should search the net and read books to educate herself. That was good advice, but you did it after you belittled her.

Peanut, if you noticed, most of the ones that attacked her were relatively new themselves, and when I said I had been attacked, those that attacked me were also relatively new to the forum.

So to be fair, we also have to give them the same curtesy and not bash them for their mistake of attacking a newbie with a quiestion.

So to all of you, just to let you know, that was not a proper response.

Some breeders on this forum give the impression that they themselves are the only ones intelligent enough to know what a quality yorkie looks like and therefore the only ones that are fit to breed. If you don't believe that, go back and look at some of the threads on breeding and showing.

Some people believe that you should only breed if you show, others beleive that if you are breeding only for show then you are not a good yorkie owner, although you may be an excellent breeder.

Some believe that you should breed only for the standards as set forth by the YTCA. Others believe that if they have a blonde or chocolate or a parti and someone elses wants one, why not breed them as long as they do not carry any health defects like the blue yorkies do.

On this forum there are people at every end of the spectrum, we can try to educate others but we need to respect their beliefs also, and keep in mind that there is a slim possibility that their belief might be valid.

We all agree the unhealthy yorkies should not be bred, but not every yorkie with a genetic defect is unhealthy.

There is a whole lot greater demand for pet yorkies than there fis for show yorkies.

Sorry that got so long. I'm, a wtriter, that's what I do, I write.

[ehunney]

Welcome to YT! I hope you stick around!!! I can't wait to see pics of your furbabies

[red rock blues]

Sorry that got so long. I'm, a wtriter, that's what I do, I write.[/QUOTE]

And very well writen it was!!! Thanks, Jeannie. As with anything in life, the minute you think you know it all is when you miss SOOOO much. Behind every door you open are ten more, and ten more behind each of them and on and on. Isn't it great?

[BamaFan121s]

Oh please...what a joke, honestly. I never claimed to be an expert, nor have I ever claimed to "know-it-all" (even though I seem to be gaining that reputation, if you know what I mean...hi ) Yes, I am still green in the breeding game and never claimed to be otherwise. I look back and don't really see where I normally go around giving "bad" advice...if I have, please point it out. If there is a rule that says, "Only contribute and give answers if you have been breeding XXX number of years.." please, I must have missed it. Again, this seems to be a case where no one can find anything wrong with WHAT I said, just HOW I said it. I am so sorry if I don't sugar coat answers and try to keep from hurting people's feelings. I guess if someone asks about breeding their tiny or some of the stuff seen on here that I honestly thinkMUST be baiting half the time, anyone w/ the guts to say, "hey, maybe THIS isn't the best idea..." should just step back because God forbid we should come across as rude and discourage it...

Honestly, I'd laugh if the morals I see displayed here weren't so jacked up.

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

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We all agree the unhealthy yorkies should not be bred, but not every yorkie with a genetic defect is unhealthy.

There is a whole lot greater demand for pet yorkies than there fis for show yorkies.

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JeanieK, I imagine that my comment will be deemed 'insulting' also but I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that it is okay to breed yorkies with genetic defects if they are 'healthy'.
The pet yorkie/show yorkie comment is the reason people feel validated breeding the poor quality specimens we see abounding everywhere to the point that there are oodles of threads with the question "does this look like a yorkie"....and usually done without the slightest clue of the health history of the pedigree. These comments do a huge disservice to the breed and are a disappointment to see.
jmo

[Lorraine]

What many on this forum do not understand is that yes there is a great demand for pet Yorkies. As any show breeder will tell you, not every pup in every litter is what we want for the show rings. These are healthy lovely representatives of the breed and are sold for pet.
A reputable breeder will be sure to determine the prospective home is the right place for the puppy and will give you all the help etc you will require.
No we don't have a whole swack of puppies to sell for pet, that's where patience and finding the right breeder comes into play to buy your pet from.
Breeding to fill a pet market and breeding a pet is not the right reason to breed. You end up with Yorkies that look less and less like a Yorkie when pets are bred to pet quality.

[vainchick5]

Ok so let me get this straight, you want to breed for a companion for your dog because you think she WANTS a litter?? OMG now I've heard it all. Misty I'm with you all the way, and if someone is only wanting to hear what they want to hear, they should ask their groomer for advice perhaps instead a public forum. By the way everyone, why not we ALLLLLL breed our yorkies huh? So no yorkie feels left out of the "baby having" part of their lives

[Bnot]

I kinda hate to even reply to this post, since I've only been here about 2 months. I love this forum, but everytime I come to the breeding section, I see nothing but black eyes from someone who wants to learn more.

Then of course instead of "learning enough to know they don't want to breed their bitch" they leave mad, and don't learn a thing, and probably breed Anyway, breeding the wrong dogs, which isn't in the standards, or didn't have the right tests done before hand and breed dogs who could later be sick.

Most don't know the danger of breeding, but if they are brave enough to stay after they got black eyes, and their a$$es kicked, from some of you all, they decide to have them spayed instead.

Its sad some jump on new people like this immediately, before really giving them the time to change their minds.

Every one of you breeders started somewhere. Why not help educate folks, instead of beating the krap out of them. They may finally decide breeding isn't for them after all.

I know it takes someone special to be a damn good breeder! I know they weren't "born" with this ability. You all learned from someone, somewhere.

No sense in replying to this post to throw a punch at me, cause I won't be back in this section to read it.....seen too many people beat up and run off, before they can even decide if they want to breed after looking at the "pro's and cons" of breeding.

Then they breed anyway, not knowing chit, and sell pups that "aren't standard".

[pippin]

Bnot I couldnt have said it better myself,each and every breeder here did all start out not knowing completely all the correct do'sand don'ts of breeding,it is a learning process.even an experienced breeder does not know the outcome of each birth,anything can go wrong.But things go right too and if none of us bred our dogs where would all you yorkie lovers get your puppies from?I am a small breeder,I do it because I enjoy it ,I only have 2 bitches and 1 stud .I hope you dont mind me adding here that I cannot believe how much some of you pay for your yorkies.here in Ireland the average price is 300-500 euro,

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by pippin

I hope you dont mind me adding here that I cannot believe how much some of you pay for your yorkies.here in Ireland the average price is 300-500 euro,

Wow... that is $375-625 roughly. How on Earth to you cover your costs of breeding? You would be pushing it if everything went perfectly and there were no unforseen costs from what I can calculate. I need to take some lessons from you as far as the $$$ aspect is concerned.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sylvan

JeanieK, I imagine that my comment will be deemed 'insulting' also but I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that it is okay to breed yorkies with genetic defects if they are 'healthy'.
The pet yorkie/show yorkie comment is the reason people feel validated breeding the poor quality specimens we see abounding everywhere to the point that there are oodles of threads with the question "does this look like a yorkie"....and usually done without the slightest clue of the health history of the pedigree. These comments do a huge disservice to the breed and are a disappointment to see.
jmo

Chocolate, blonde and parti yorkies all are genetically defective. And Yes I would breed any of them as long as they displayed no signs of health defects. What is wrong with that?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Oh please...what a joke, honestly. I never claimed to be an expert, nor have I ever claimed to "know-it-all" (even though I seem to be gaining that reputation, if you know what I mean...hi ) Yes, I am still green in the breeding game and never claimed to be otherwise. I look back and don't really see where I normally go around giving "bad" advice...if I have, please point it out. If there is a rule that says, "Only contribute and give answers if you have been breeding XXX number of years.." please, I must have missed it. Again, this seems to be a case where no one can find anything wrong with WHAT I said, just HOW I said it. I am so sorry if I don't sugar coat answers and try to keep from hurting people's feelings. I guess if someone asks about breeding their tiny or some of the stuff seen on here that I honestly thinkMUST be baiting half the time, anyone w/ the guts to say, "hey, maybe THIS isn't the best idea..." should just step back because God forbid we should come across as rude and discourage it...

Honestly, I'd laugh if the morals I see displayed here weren't so jacked up.

I'm not sure if you are referring to my post or not. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, but I guess if the shoe fits...............

I just believe there are nicer ways to educatre a person than to belittle them for asking a question, using a term they have heard and read over and over again.

I had no idea that the word "teacup" was a NO NO I took it the same as the terms baby face or doll face. I assumed it was just a term used to indicate it's small size.