Snow Blue Yorkies?

[Krokkful]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

The Chocolate color can be registered...it just isn't correct, and shouldn't be bred. The AKC is not denying that the color exists -- they will register it.

It simply denotes poor pigmentation.

You will likely find "tons of" all over the internet, crappy breeders breeding the color on purpose out of AKC registered dogs. These breeders are ignoring health, temperament, and type in favor of producing a "rare" color that they can charge more for.

If color is more important to you than health and temperament, buy from one of these people. If, however, getting a well-bred, healthy Yorkie is more important, buy from a YTCA-member breeder.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

Disagree ! Why show dog lines have such bad legs? If every show breeder would be as perfect as U have described Patella luxation ,Phertes wouldnt be a massive problem . Why are thoose problems current ??

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Krokkful

Disagree ! Why show dog lines have such bad legs? If every show breeder would be as perfect as U have described Patella luxation ,Phertes wouldnt be a massive problem . Why are thoose problems current ??

What is this Phertes you keep mentioning?

[Krokkful]

Legg Perthes Disease | Legg Perthes Disease in Dogs | Canine Legg Perthes Information

[Krokkful]

Legg-Calvé-Perthes syndrome in dogs

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Krokkful

Legg-Calvé-Perthes syndrome in dogs

Oh, I know what Leggs-Perthes is. I just did not know that was what you were talking about.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

What is this Phertes you keep mentioning?

English must not be this person language.

[BiewerYorkie]

I always like something a little different. As far as dogs, I have had a Hairless Chinese Crested and now have 2 Japanese Chins.

When I had my Crested put down to old age related problems, I was going to get another Chin. Then I decided to get a Yorkie as I have wanted one for a long long time.

I was supposed to go see a traditional Yorkie and then called a lady that had Biewers. When we got there and I saw Zachary, I fell in love with him. It is personal taste. Even though people don't say "Oh, it's a Yorkie" but rather "He looks sort of like a Yorkie", Zachary is a healthy, happy and smart Biewer. Even though I love the look of a Biewer and would probably get another if I was to get another Yorkie, I would chose a healthy "traditional" Yorkie over a less than healthy Biewer.

I mean, really, what is the problem? If the dog is healthy, happy and smart like my Zachary , your only decision should be the color YOU want.

Trying to "limit" the colors of a healthy dog makes no sense. You don't want a Chocolate? (I would get one if I could). Get another color. Let those that enjoy something "different" enjoy it.

Louise and her Biewer Yorkie Terrier, Zachary who's parents came from Germany (OR should it be Sir Zachary)

[gemy]

Her Locale is Paris. Maybe French Yorkies have lots of Leggs Perthes disease? I don't know' Leggs Perthes is still not what I would call "common in the YT" here in America.

However LP is pretty common not just for Yorkies but for all Toy Breeds.

And she has a point; some countries do require the full scale of health tests to be done per breed and passed prior a Championship Award being Awarded.

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by gemy

Her Locale is Paris. Maybe French Yorkies have lots of Leggs Perthes disease? I don't know' Leggs Perthes is still not what I would call "common in the YT" here in America.

However LP is pretty common not just for Yorkies but for all Toy Breeds.

And she has a point; some countries do require the full scale of health tests to be done per breed and passed prior a Championship Award being Awarded.

Ahhh Haaa I see that now. Paris, France.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Krokkful

Well, as I seen your posts You are calling people "unethical" ,as they are breeding yorkies with a different color. My uncle is a small breed specialist surger. My dad is a vet. Plenty of dogs who came from show breeders must have surgeries ,as they are having such bad legs , includng Patella luxation ,and Phertes. I am only having one question for You.Why so many show lines are having genetically bad legs?? U are writeing down so many times "ethics", do U know who is Jeremy Bentham ? My personal opinion is
COLOR DOES NOT HURT.
Bad legs does. If a puppy comes from a showbreeder that is not automatically a guarantee that it will be healtier .(FACT that thoose puppies exteriour is nicer.) Also do U think this is a right way to fight a "war", why dont U try to do something officially thrue AKC ?Or this method works better? U are writeing down so many times that U are working to better the breed as the rest of the show yorkies.Than why no health checks are done by the local clubs ? I am not doubting that your yorkies are beautyfull, and very healthy and perfect . I am only saying as a fact that show yorkies are having generally problems with their legs!

You wrote:"I am only saying as a fact that show yorkies are having generally problems with their legs!"
I have no idea where or how you got that idea? Fact is the show dog has to be sound or cannot be in the show rings. You don't just take them in and stand there. They move. The judge goes over their structure including knees. Etc. Ihave seen show dogs reach a very ripe old age and can still move like a dream. Where have you been to shows that you think this? Or had your hands on show dogs that you think this to be so?
Do you really think people that show their dogs perhaps sell show dogs from their line or offer stud services would do so with unsound stock? Guess what happens in the whelping box of another breeder if they do? Geee I wonder!

About colour, this is a good article well researched and based on knowledge of genetics. Goldenray Genetics Chocolate Yorkies Red Golden or Yorkie Blue Borns CDA

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by gemy

Her Locale is Paris. Maybe French Yorkies have lots of Leggs Perthes disease? I don't know' Leggs Perthes is still not what I would call "common in the YT" here in America.

However LP is pretty common not just for Yorkies but for all Toy Breeds.

And she has a point; some countries do require the full scale of health tests to be done per breed and passed prior a Championship Award being Awarded.

I also do not understand how he/she says that all show lines have leg issues. I am not so certain that is true.

I do know leg issues are common in yorkies, but that is due to poor and indiscriminate breeding imo and I am not so sure it is accurate to state they are in all show lines.

Maybe it's a French thing then?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I also do not understand how he/she says that all show lines have leg issues. I am not so certain that is true.

I do know leg issues are common in yorkies, but that is due to poor and indiscriminate breeding imo and I am not so sure it is accurate to state they are in all show lines.

Maybe it's a French thing then?

Aboslutely not a French thing. I personally know some show breeders in France. Show breeders there are very closely scrutinized to the health of their dogs and it is very difficult to get a championship in France.

[Nancy1999]

People who breed off-colors often excuse their breeding practices by complaining about show breeders and how they breed for looks and not health. If you ask me, it’s a krockfull of . . .

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

People who breed off-colors often excuse their breeding practices by complaining about show breeders and how they breed for looks and not health. If you ask me, it’s a krockfull of . . .

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Krokkful

Color does not hurt . If all show breeders would be ethical ,perthes and patella luxation wouldnt be present as a general problem .

If colour doesn't hurt then why is blue born lethal? Or white often causing deafness? Or merle to merle in some breeds causes blindness and that can include a mixed breed with merle colouring behind it even of different breeds in its background.
If it is all the show breeders fault that perthes or patella luxation is present then who is at fault that the problems in mutts going back to many generations of mutts have way more problems and incidences of health and structure issues than purebreds from a reputable show breeder.
The problem with health issues in mutts is that they are not tracked. They are either euthanized or surgically dealt with and no one ever knows about it. A mutt isn't a breed so how do you put any health issues on the mutt breed? You can't.
Breed clubs and these are comprised of the show breeders keep in touch with health problems that may occur in their breeds. Exactly where do you think the money comes from to support research into genetic or other congenital diseases in dogs? The byb? I think not!! Try the show breeders, their breed and parent clubs. Where do health testing clinics get held? Dog shows AKC and Canadian Kennel Club shows in Canada and these are put together including getting the Vet specialist by the breed club holding the show and it takes a lot of work to organize that on top of their show.
Do you think all this just falls out of the sky? I can't begin to tell you the work and dedication of the show breeder and our all breed and breed Clubs that are responsible for hosting the dogs shows and keeping the purebred show dogs going into the show rings, writing aobut them for dog magazines, talking about health and care issues. All of it.