Snow Blue Yorkies?

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And just who is it that has decided what a reputable breeder will and will not do? where is this rule written? Or is this perhaps "just your opinion"?

I believe, that the two dogs that were used to create this chocolate, were both traditionals.

The AKC has a description of the Yorkshire Terrier. Have you ever taken a look

American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier

Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard
Toy Group

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.

Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

Approved July 10, 2007
Effective October 1, 2007

[BaxtersMommy]

Im glad to see this thread was moved since this is clearly not a valid breeder review!

[megansmomma]

Who would have thought there was YorkiesForDummies site! Imagine my surprise to find a book dedicated to Yorkies for Dummies. Here's the link:

Knowing What an Ideal Yorkshire Terrier Looks Like - For Dummies

Here's a link of all the other Dummie's titles as well. Good useful information IMHO

All Titles - For Dummies

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

The AKC has a description of the Yorkshire Terrier. Have you ever taken a look

American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier

Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard
Toy Group

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.

Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

Approved July 10, 2007
Effective October 1, 2007

Yes I sure have read it many times. the AKC also registers all of these off colors as PUREBRED YORKSHIRE TERRIERS. So what exactly is your point?

This has nothing to do with being fa reputable breeder. There are a lot of show breeders that breed to the standard and have lots of champions, that I would not consider to be reputable breeders due to the way they keep their dogs, and their breeding practices. There is a whole lot more, than breeding for a certain look, that goes into being a reputable breeder. Wouldn't you agree? Or is it just all about the look of the dog?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

The AKC has a description of the Yorkshire Terrier. Have you ever taken a look

American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier

Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard
Toy Group

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.

Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

Disqualifications:
Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

Approved July 10, 2007
Effective October 1, 2007

That is a standard for showing and disqualifies them from the show ring. it does not mean that they should not be bred. A dog with a health issue should not be bred, yet they can be shown because no one can see the health issue.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Who would have thought there was YorkiesForDummies site! Imagine my surprise to find a book dedicated to Yorkies for Dummies. Here's the link:

Knowing What an Ideal Yorkshire Terrier Looks Like - For Dummies

Here's a link of all the other Dummie's titles as well. Good useful information IMHO

All Titles - For Dummies

Those are excellent books!! for dummies!!! but if you actually read the book, you will find it is filled with misinformation. Written by Dummies, For Dummies.

[manolos mom]

The Chocolate color can be registered...it just isn't correct, and shouldn't be bred. The AKC is not denying that the color exists -- they will register it.

It simply denotes poor pigmentation.

You will likely find "tons of" all over the internet, crappy breeders breeding the color on purpose out of AKC registered dogs. These breeders are ignoring health, temperament, and type in favor of producing a "rare" color that they can charge more for.

If color is more important to you than health and temperament, buy from one of these people. If, however, getting a well-bred, healthy Yorkie is more important, buy from a YTCA-member breeder.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

[SnowBlueYorkies]

The standard is set by the YTCA for show dogs to have a standard by which to go by. Most people don't realize that the breed standard is some kind of "ideal" (a conception of something in its perfection.), but lots of purebreds don't conform to it. Kind of like the "Miss America" pageant is a conformation ring for human females. Most of us don't look like the "standard" but that doesn't mean we're not purebred!!!!

[SnowBlueYorkies]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

The Chocolate color can be registered...it just isn't correct, and shouldn't be bred. The AKC is not denying that the color exists -- they will register it.

It simply denotes poor pigmentation.

You will likely find "tons of" all over the internet, crappy breeders breeding the color on purpose out of AKC registered dogs. These breeders are ignoring health, temperament, and type in favor of producing a "rare" color that they can charge more for.

If color is more important to you than health and temperament, buy from one of these people. If, however, getting a well-bred, healthy Yorkie is more important, buy from a YTCA-member breeder.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

I would put any of my yorkies health, temperament and all around conformation up against anyones. Its only color for heavens sake, not a disease.

[manolos mom]

UNETHICAL BREEDING: Any person who breeds dogs with profit as the main motivation and without consideration for the health and well-being of the puppies is guilty of ethical crimes.


I see you dont have a breeding contract. This means that you could sell these Chocolates for breeding stock. How much do you charge for a Parti or a Chocolate?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And just who is it that has decided what a reputable breeder will and will not do? where is this rule written? Or is this perhaps "just your opinion"?

I believe, that the two dogs that were used to create this chocolate, were both traditionals.

Chocolate can come from two right colour yorkies because chocolate is from a double recessive gene.
Other colours are not carried by yorkies but resulted from introducing other breeds back when DNA technology was not known or not used in animals to determine if the sire registered on the paperwork was actually the sire.
Now it is too late. Yes a pup can DNA to the parents being the parents but if another breed was introduced back further to grandparent great grandparent etc DNA now will not tell you anything from back further.
As I said before, argue for wrong colours all you want, it is still wrong to purposely breed purebreds for wrong colour and megansmomma is right, reputable breeders do not breed for wrong colours.
But then one would have to THINK like someone reputable upholding breed standards to understand that point.

[chachi]

I dont get involved in parti debates but I dot see how parti breeders ever expect to be take seriously when they are breedig partis to chocolate or parti to golden to get the newest rare color to sell for a outrageous amount of money

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

I would put any of my yorkies health, temperament and all around conformation up against anyones. Its only color for heavens sake, not a disease.

In some breeds, colour is a huge part of the breed standard. For examply, white Maltese, white Bichon's. German Short Haired pointer are liver and white. Black and white can show up as it is there in the genetics but is a wrong colour and the REPUTABLE purebred GSH breeders will not allow them to be included in the breed standard for colour and don't think for one minute that that hasn't been tried even 30 years ago.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

FYI Paris did come from 2 traditional color yorkies. She has been DNA'd.

DNA only tells you the sire you registered her as being the sire is the sire, ditto for the dam. It tells you nothing about further back in the line.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

all of the non standard colors originated from show lines due to in-breeding. In the, past those puppies were always hidden and never talked about. It is only recently that breeders have decided that the variety of colors should be bred. After all they are part of the make up of the yorkshire terrier.

it's just that a few narrow minded people, who are hung up on the Standard that was set by the YTCA to be used for judging, believe that all yorkies have to be bred to that standard. People!!! lighten up, that standard is to be used for judging, the other colors are naturally occurring and there is nothing wrong with them. Get over yourselves already. The YTCA did not create the yorkie, it just set a standard to be used by judges in the show ring.

Actually you really don't understand the purpose of a breed club obviously. YTCA is the parent club for the Yorkshire Terrier. Other purebred dogs registered with AKC has a parent club who has the breed standards for their breed. Collectively the show breeders who are members of these clubs are the ones that work with AKC to hold that breed standard that judges are trained in what to look for in each breed they are judging, per the breed standard for that breed as set out by the FANCIERS of that breed who have the knowledge and background and many many years of experience with their breed, whys and wherefores and potentials to be in the best positon possible to keep their breed and its standard as was intended for that breed when recognition as a purebred was first sought and granted by a registry such as AKC. This holds true in whatever country you are talking about. Here in Canada we have the Canadian Kennel Club that is equivalent and recognized by the AKC.