Snow Blue Yorkies?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

And just who is it that has decided what a reputable breeder will and will not do? where is this rule written? Or is this perhaps "just your opinion"?

I believe, that the two dogs that were used to create this chocolate, were both traditionals.

Chocolate has always been around, result of parents that are recessive carriers and one pup sometimes more in that litter will have the two recessive genes. Ergo a true colour yorkie can be a carrier of the chocolate but you won't know until bred to another carrier.
Who decides who is reputable? Well, that would be up to the individual breeder and what they will or will not be part of. Who decides who is reputable? I would say other breeders do as we watch and see what other breeders are doing to our breed. SOmeone looking for a pet Yorkie will also decide for themselves if someone is reputable by how that breeder represents the breed to the breed standard regardless of what breed we are talking about, what their guarantees are, what their knowledge is and how much of their life they have put into their particular breed.
There is no rule WRITTEN. Reputable comes from the soul, it cannot be taught, it comes from within the integrity of the person and will be reflected in all aspects of their lives, not just purebred dogs.

[manolos mom]

Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in

life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes.

Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the

GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.




Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few

live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the

time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a

very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in

extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down.


The red or chocolates are affected by the bb genes. The red or

chocolates or referred to as liver in some breeds will also have self colored

pigment, such as red, chocolate or liver nose. They should only be carrying

the dominant BB genes. Most of these situations occur with backyard

breeders and puppy mills and they are not likely to share the history of

problems with the show breeders. Once again this is a recessive being passed

on to the puppies from the parents. This breeding should definitely not be

repeated. Blue born puppies and red/chocolate born puppies are not

acceptable colors in the breed. They should only be born Black/Tan and later

turn to a dark steel blue. The blue born puppies and red/chocolate born

puppies are recessive colors being passed to the progeny and a repeat

breeding should never occur. Puppies of these colors should not be sold as

rare colors. These are totally unacceptable colors and it's not so much that

they are rare, as that they are not true representatives of the breed. Do

not be misled by unscrupulous breeders about these dogs. Makes one

wonder if there is more in the background of these dogs. Concerned breeders

would only want to breed dogs that are producing the only acceptable color

of the breed which is a Black/Tan puppy that as an adult dog will be blue and

gold. As an owner or potential owner of one you should only want the blue

and gold, because that is the Yorkshire Terrier. Any other color really makes

it something other than this breed. As a breeder, you should not knowingly

breed a dog that is producing such a known defect. The breed could shortly

become other than what it is. For instance, the tri colors that are

produced in some of Europe. This is not what a Yorkie should be. If you want

a tri color dog then get a breed that should produce tri colors.

The standard laid down by the YTCA is very specific about them. It states

the puppy should be born Black/Tan and change color to a Blue/Tan dog later

in life. No where is it written that the dog should be born any other color

than Black/Tan. Standards are written to protect our breeds. The blue born

is a perfect example of why. The health problems associated with this color

make it critical that we stick to the color the breed is suppose to be, which

means being born Black/Tan and later changing to a Blue/Tan dog.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

That is a standard for showing and disqualifies them from the show ring. it does not mean that they should not be bred. A dog with a health issue should not be bred, yet they can be shown because no one can see the health issue.

Sorry but you are wrong. That is exactly what any breed standard for any purebred is for. It not only disqualifies them from the show ring, it also means it should not be bred which would be perpetuating a disqualifying aspect for that breed. I find it rather curious that reasons for a breed standard don't seem to be understood, seems pretty obvious to me.
The reason for breeding any purebred regardless of the breed, is to produce puppies towards the breed standard hopefully to improve what the breeder currently has.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in

life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes.

Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the

GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.




Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few

live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the

time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a

very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in

extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down.


The red or chocolates are affected by the bb genes. The red or

chocolates or referred to as liver in some breeds will also have self colored

pigment, such as red, chocolate or liver nose. They should only be carrying

the dominant BB genes. Most of these situations occur with backyard

breeders and puppy mills and they are not likely to share the history of

problems with the show breeders. Once again this is a recessive being passed

on to the puppies from the parents. This breeding should definitely not be

repeated. Blue born puppies and red/chocolate born puppies are not

acceptable colors in the breed. They should only be born Black/Tan and later

turn to a dark steel blue. The blue born puppies and red/chocolate born

puppies are recessive colors being passed to the progeny and a repeat

breeding should never occur. Puppies of these colors should not be sold as

rare colors. These are totally unacceptable colors and it's not so much that

they are rare, as that they are not true representatives of the breed. Do

not be misled by unscrupulous breeders about these dogs. Makes one

wonder if there is more in the background of these dogs. Concerned breeders

would only want to breed dogs that are producing the only acceptable color

of the breed which is a Black/Tan puppy that as an adult dog will be blue and

gold. As an owner or potential owner of one you should only want the blue

and gold, because that is the Yorkshire Terrier. Any other color really makes

it something other than this breed. As a breeder, you should not knowingly

breed a dog that is producing such a known defect. The breed could shortly

become other than what it is. For instance, the tri colors that are

produced in some of Europe. This is not what a Yorkie should be. If you want

a tri color dog then get a breed that should produce tri colors.

The standard laid down by the YTCA is very specific about them. It states

the puppy should be born Black/Tan and change color to a Blue/Tan dog later

in life. No where is it written that the dog should be born any other color

than Black/Tan. Standards are written to protect our breeds. The blue born

is a perfect example of why. The health problems associated with this color

make it critical that we stick to the color the breed is suppose to be, which

means being born Black/Tan and later changing to a Blue/Tan dog.

Exactly, thank you for posting.

[SnowBlueYorkies]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

The Chocolate color can be registered...it just isn't correct, and shouldn't be bred. The AKC is not denying that the color exists -- they will register it.

It simply denotes poor pigmentation.

You will likely find "tons of" all over the internet, crappy breeders breeding the color on purpose out of AKC registered dogs. These breeders are ignoring health, temperament, and type in favor of producing a "rare" color that they can charge more for.

If color is more important to you than health and temperament, buy from one of these people. If, however, getting a well-bred, healthy Yorkie is more important, buy from a YTCA-member breeder.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

I also see tons and tons of crappy breeders breeding the standard yorkie with very bad health. Color has nothing to do with temperament and only the blue born yorkies have health issues that is related to color and that can be produced from standard color yorkies who carry the dilute genes. I wonder how many of you color test your yorkies for the dilute gene? Wonder how many of your dogs carry Dd or dd?

[SnowBlueYorkies]

Thank you for bringing my name up in YT, I have had so many inquiries due to these posts that it has brought so much attention to my beautiful yorkies and others wanting to know more about them, Thanks again. Have a nice evening.

[BaxtersMommy]

Most of you have no clue about genetics and if the breeders would test for dilute that might be surprised. Traditional yorkies carry the gene, these colors originated somewhere!

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

Most of you have no clue about genetics and if the breeders would test for dilute that might be surprised. Traditional yorkies carry the gene, these colors originated somewhere!

Dana, I have done all testing on my boys. MOST do test for EVERYTHING.

[BiewerYorkie]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

Thank you for bringing my name up in YT, I have had so many inquiries due to these posts that it has brought so much attention to my beautiful yorkies and others wanting to know more about them, Thanks again. Have a nice evening.

:thum bup:

Louise

[BaxtersMommy]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Dana, I have done all testing on my boys. MOST do test for EVERYTHING.

Awesome! Makes two of us!

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by SnowBlueYorkies

Thank you for bringing my name up in YT, I have had so many inquiries due to these posts that it has brought so much attention to my beautiful yorkies and others wanting to know more about them, Thanks again. Have a nice evening.

As it should.. you have beautiful, healthy, well bred yorkies! People who read these threads are perfectly capable of reading both sides of the issue and making up their own minds.. I personally have no doubt which way things will eventually end up.. it may take some time, but.. heck, we're not going anywhere. We will just keep working to produce healthy, well bred, dogs with good structure, great character, and wonderful, gorgeous COLOR!

-Diana

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

As it should.. you have beautiful, healthy, well bred yorkies! People who read these threads are perfectly capable of reading both sides of the issue and making up their own minds.. I personally have no doubt which way things will eventually end up.. it may take some time, but.. heck, we're not going anywhere. We will just keep working to produce healthy, well bred, dogs with good structure, great character, and wonderful, gorgeous COLOR!

-Diana

Your right, and some of us absolutely do NOT agree with you and we know what you really are...To breed for any reason other than...eh never mind you won't listen anyway cuz its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ deny, deny, deny...but those who protest the loudest...lather, rinse, repeat...

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

The Chocolate color can be registered...it just isn't correct, and shouldn't be bred. The AKC is not denying that the color exists -- they will register it.

It simply denotes poor pigmentation.

You will likely find "tons of" all over the internet, crappy breeders breeding the color on purpose out of AKC registered dogs. These breeders are ignoring health, temperament, and type in favor of producing a "rare" color that they can charge more for.

If color is more important to you than health and temperament, buy from one of these people. If, however, getting a well-bred, healthy Yorkie is more important, buy from a YTCA-member breeder.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

You don't know these breeder, how do you know that they are ignoring those things. there are show breeders who also ignore those things, and will cheat or do anything they can to get a champion, ignoring health and temperament. That swings both ways.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Your right, and some of us absolutely do NOT agree with you and we know what you really are...To breed for any reason other than...eh never mind you won't listen anyway cuz its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ deny, deny, deny...but those who protest the loudest...lather, rinse, repeat...

Lynzy..

I'm sorry you feel that you can speak that way about me when you don't even know me.. I wouldn't presume to make statements about you personally without knowing you .. but we all have our out set of ethics I guess. If you DID know me.. you would know I am NOT making all of this $$$$$$ ...I'm not sure where you get your information but I'd check your sources again.

I DON'T sell ANY of my dogs for breeding.. not sure most on here can say that.. I sell my dogs on spay/neuter contracts ONLY.. I neuter ALL of my males prior to leaving my home.. if you knew my prices on my yorkies and my carriers .. you would know that they are most likely the same price that most of you are getting for your tradtionally colored yorkies.. (and remember, mine are already neutered).

Also, I show my dogs.. I don't just produce puppies, I bring them to shows and have them evaluated. Of course, they are not allowed in the AKC ring (yet) BUT, I bring them to the venues where they are allowed, and they do very well in their competitions.

OOoh, and I DO breed to Better the Breed.. if that's the rest of the sentence you were trying to complete.. I am always working on a better coat, a better earset, a better topline... just as you all are... I don't see what is soo hard to understand. We are ALL looking at the same thing.. we all WANT the same thing.. a beautiful, stunning, healthy Yorkshire Terrier.. we just love ones that have color along WITH the ones that are that beautiful Blue and Gold.. We love them all no matter WHAT color these lovely creatures come in.. our goals are the same.. it's just the COLOR that's different..

-Diana

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

Awesome! Makes two of us!

Might also add that if you have a good breeder that has been breeding for over 45 years and has studied the lines from the begining there is no need to test for the gene. REPUTABLE BREEDERS know their Breeding stock and can go back for many many many many generations. They study their structure,color, coat and if any have a genetic defect they will STOP the breeding. So, you can choose to buy your dogs from fly by night breeders, BYB or Petstore that is selling to a Market, or you can choose a reputable breeder that WILL breed according to YTCA and have studied and learned everything about producing a great dog. We want to keep a Yorkie a Yorkie.