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shyorkies · 12-05-2005, 12:07 PM

In the end you have to live with whatever you decide to do when it comes to breeding your male.. Always remember there is NO perfect yorkshire terrier, alot of people would like to think they have one, but NO one does! When I first started into breeding my male was far from perfect! But he did not have any genetic health issues and did come from descent lines.. Do I still have him no, he is neutered and in a wonderful pet home.. I feel my program has come along way in the last two years, but everytime someone breeds (rather for show or for strictly pet puppies) you want to better what you have with each and every breeding..

I also agree that he has an adorable face.. One you just want to give a BIG kiss to!

I wish you luck in your decision..

Melanie

wnalegria · 12-05-2005, 12:20 PM

PuppyGirl- time to come clean and share your website with the rest of us. Shyyorkie has indicated that you have a website and are a experienced breeder.

Now you weren't playing games mind games with us - were you? cause that would not be nice. We all have to be nice when we come out and play. We must all learn to play well with others.

YorkieRini · 12-05-2005, 12:22 PM

This is how I was told to evaulate candidates for breeding/show; the 3 fault rule. If your Yorkie has more than 3 faults then they should not be bred--PERIOD!! The objective when breeding is to IMPROVE..the more faults you breed, the farther back and teh longer it will take to improve. This can be tricky, some people pick and chose between which faults and end up with more than 3 because they are not life threatening.
My vet also mentioned some should not be bred (underbites, LP, LS, LCP, roached, open fonts, etc..) at all. Although some 'cosmetic' faults are easier to breed out than others, knowing what not to breed is important! For example an underbite is almost impossible to correct. He strongly advises me NOT to breed something with an underbite even if that's the only fault because it's not easily corrected. The roached back is equivielent to the underbite; not easy to correct in 'your lines'. Now, high in the rear, bigger ears, color, etc..can be corrected ONLY if you know exactly what the parents look like, what's behind them and their parents. If you are willing to be disciplined and not compromise the facts, then you are serious about improving the quality ('you' is just a general statement).

Irene

feminvstr · 12-05-2005, 12:25 PM

oh man fooled by another one!~! whats up with this? Puppygirl come out come out where ever you are and show your knowledge instead of testing ours!

feminvstr · 12-05-2005, 12:26 PM

PS did we pass the test....hmmmmmmmmmm something tells me weve been set up!

YorkieRini · 12-05-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by puppygirl

Kathy,

The roach is caused by the shape of the vertebrae. If it were a structural fault, we would not have breeds such as Whippets that call for a rounded back.

JMHO

Jen

This is a fault that is DIFFICULT to correct althought it's not life threatening. I would not want to breed it because it would set me back even farther to reaching my goal to produce a ShoPo.

Irene

YorkieRini · 12-05-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by feminvstr

PS did we pass the test....hmmmmmmmmmm something tells me weve been set up!

Well I hope not! I am happy to share what I've been taught with someone that wants to learn. If it's someone that wants to play games I say 'GROW UP!'.

shyorkies · 12-05-2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRini

This is how I was told to evaulate candidates for breeding/show; the 3 fault rule. If your Yorkie has more than 3 faults then they should not be bred--PERIOD!! The objective when breeding is to IMPROVE..the more faults you breed, the farther back and teh longer it will take to improve. This can be tricky, some people pick and chose between which faults and end up with more than 3 because they are not life threatening.
My vet also mentioned some should not be bred (underbites, LP, LS, LCP, roached, open fonts, etc..) at all. Although some 'cosmetic' faults are easier to breed out than others, knowing what not to breed is important! For example an underbite is almost impossible to correct. He strongly advises me NOT to breed something with an underbite even if that's the only fault because it's not easily corrected. The roached back is equivielent to the underbite; not easy to correct in 'your lines'. Now, high in the rear, bigger ears, color, etc..can be corrected ONLY if you know exactly what the parents look like, what's behind them and their parents. If you are willing to be disciplined and not compromise the facts, then you are serious about improving the quality ('you' is just a general statement).

Irene

Irene,

I agree with you 100%!! You are exactly right.. When I decide to keep, place or buy a yorkie I look at them and if there are three things that I cannot live with, they are not staying (will be placed in a loving pet home only) or coming to my home.. That does NOT even bring into it the genetic problems like LP, overbites, bad backs, etc..

Melanie

YorkieRini · 12-05-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shyorkies

Irene,

I agree with you 100%!! You are exactly right.. When I decide to keep, place or buy a yorkie I look at them and if there are three things that I cannot live with, they are not staying (will be placed in a loving pet home only) or coming to my home.. That does NOT even bring into it the genetic problems like LP, overbites, bad backs, etc..

Melanie

I think you told me that once before too!!

Good advise. Hard to live by but extremely important!

Irene

txshopper73 · 12-05-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by puppygirl

Sorry -- cosmetic is the word the dog professionals I know use.

Jen

Knew something didn't sound right!

Why can't people just come here and be themselves? Why must they hide behind who they really are?

YorkieRini · 12-05-2005, 12:42 PM

I am leary of those that like do this. They must have some real issues. Insecurities or fears I guess...

Irene

shyorkies · 12-05-2005, 12:50 PM

It is truly sad that we all cannot just get along and help one another..

Instead of people thinking someone is going to get one foot in front of their's.. Can you imagine how much better off the yorkie breed would be if we all worked together instead of against each other? Boy I sure can!!

Melanie

puppygirl · 12-05-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wnalegria

PuppyGirl- time to come clean and share your website with the rest of us. Shyyorkie has indicated that you have a website and are a experienced breeder.

Now you weren't playing games mind games with us - were you? cause that would not be nice. We all have to be nice when we come out and play. We must all learn to play well with others.

Hi:

I am an experienced breeder new to yorkies. I have no website.

I am trying not to be offended.

Jen

puppygirl · 12-05-2005, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feminvstr

oh man fooled by another one!~! whats up with this? Puppygirl come out come out where ever you are and show your knowledge instead of testing ours!

I'm in the dark. Someone please tell me what I've done wrong.

Jen

shyorkies · 12-05-2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puppygirl

I'm in the dark. Someone please tell me what I've done wrong.

Jen

You have done nothing wrong! Sometimes things get out of control and you just have to ignore it and ignore a few of the post..

Melanie

12-05-2005, 12:07 PM	#46
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Breeding In the end you have to live with whatever you decide to do when it comes to breeding your male.. Always remember there is NO perfect yorkshire terrier, alot of people would like to think they have one, but NO one does! When I first started into breeding my male was far from perfect! But he did not have any genetic health issues and did come from descent lines.. Do I still have him no, he is neutered and in a wonderful pet home.. I feel my program has come along way in the last two years, but everytime someone breeds (rather for show or for strictly pet puppies) you want to better what you have with each and every breeding.. I also agree that he has an adorable face.. One you just want to give a BIG kiss to! I wish you luck in your decision.. Melanie

12-05-2005, 12:25 PM	#49
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	oh man fooled by another one!~! whats up with this? Puppygirl come out come out where ever you are and show your knowledge instead of testing ours! __________________ Kimberly

12-05-2005, 12:26 PM	#50
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	PS did we pass the test....hmmmmmmmmmm something tells me weve been set up! __________________ Kimberly

12-05-2005, 12:20 PM	#47
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	PuppyGirl- time to come clean and share your website with the rest of us. Shyyorkie has indicated that you have a website and are a experienced breeder. Now you weren't playing games mind games with us - were you? cause that would not be nice. We all have to be nice when we come out and play. We must all learn to play well with others.

12-05-2005, 12:22 PM	#48
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	This is how I was told to evaulate candidates for breeding/show; the 3 fault rule. If your Yorkie has more than 3 faults then they should not be bred--PERIOD!! The objective when breeding is to IMPROVE..the more faults you breed, the farther back and teh longer it will take to improve. This can be tricky, some people pick and chose between which faults and end up with more than 3 because they are not life threatening. My vet also mentioned some should not be bred (underbites, LP, LS, LCP, roached, open fonts, etc..) at all. Although some 'cosmetic' faults are easier to breed out than others, knowing what not to breed is important! For example an underbite is almost impossible to correct. He strongly advises me NOT to breed something with an underbite even if that's the only fault because it's not easily corrected. The roached back is equivielent to the underbite; not easy to correct in 'your lines'. Now, high in the rear, bigger ears, color, etc..can be corrected ONLY if you know exactly what the parents look like, what's behind them and their parents. If you are willing to be disciplined and not compromise the facts, then you are serious about improving the quality ('you' is just a general statement). Irene

12-05-2005, 12:42 PM	#56
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	I am leary of those that like do this. They must have some real issues. Insecurities or fears I guess... Irene

12-05-2005, 12:50 PM	#57
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	It is truly sad that we all cannot just get along and help one another.. Instead of people thinking someone is going to get one foot in front of their's.. Can you imagine how much better off the yorkie breed would be if we all worked together instead of against each other? Boy I sure can!! Melanie