The Biewer Yorkshire

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

This got me to thinking....isn't Yorkshire in England where Mr. Biewer might be from? And now I can see why he would leave in the word "Biewer Yorkshire" and left out "terrier" if it wasn't a "yorkshire terrier" Just a thought.....

Yorkshire is in England. Yorkshire is the "home" of the Yorkshire Terrier.
As far as I know Werner Biewer was German.

[Breezeaway]

Yes, Mr Biewer was German and did his breeding in Germany and had his dogs registered in Germany. He used the word Yorkshire because they were Yorkies, born from his champion Yorkshire terriers.

[Rhetts_mama]

I don't get the whole "diluting the black and tan lines" bit that I keep hearing. As long as pure black and tans are bred to other pure black and tans (which would mean knowing whether or not their were any parti's in the lineage), and parti's are bred to only parti's or parti carriers, then how does that dilute the lines? If anything, wouldn't it tighten it up and cause breeders to do a little more research on the lines they came from. And wouldn't that then, consequently, cause breeders to have to be more honest about their lines?

Standing on the outside looking in, I don't understand why breeders of black and tans wouldn't want parti's registered with the AKC. To me it looks like they don't want to admit that their lines may have a "flaw". If the registry is only as good and honest as the breeders, then by refusing to register those pups who carry the parti genes, the breeder is being less than honest. JMO.

[evab]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Yes some members own both Parti and Biewers, after all they both are Yorkies. (your opinion dear not mine, unfounded opinions hold no credibility)
As to them breeding them, How do you know this? Did you speak with them?
As far as talking with Mrs Biewer, she really does know very little about the dogs Mr Biewer raised.(Your opinion dear not mine, unfounded opinions hold no credibility) as it has been posted that she said Mr Biewer didnt breed his standard yorkies to the tri's and we know that is not true because the pedigrees show he did.
(A pedigree is only as good as the breeder)
After he died she got rid of every dog he owned, if she had cared about the dogs wouldn't she have kept a few? (You presume to know alot about a person, whom you have never spoken to?)
I'm sure anybody that is interested in the Biewer Yorkie has been told by somebody that if the Yorkshire Terrier is used to cross with the Biewer then it is no longer a Biewer Yorkie.

* Ask them how that can be if the FOUNDATION DAM AND SIRE ARE 100% YORKSHIRE TERRIERS? (But that information is unknown is it not because there are missing pedigrees, you yourself have stated just so, you cannot make these assumptions without all the facts)
* Ask them how that can be if YORKSHIRE TERRIERS are well entangled in the PEDIGREES of the GERMAN BIEWER?
* Ask them why the REGISTRIES in GERMANY still allow the cross?
(These registries will register any cross bred dog dear, perhaps it is because these registries also allow people to cross breed the Yorkie with a nice little Shid-Tzu as well, and pass it off as a pure bred Biewer x Yorkie, it's for the fees they get paid to register there dogs lol) and we all know they have sat back for years, issuing pointless pieces of paper, to buyers for a dog who has to date gained no credible recognition in the dog world.

A BIEWER is simply a YORKSHIRE TERRIER in a Belted pattern. The origin is of little consequence as they can be found from Germany to the United States to Hungary and around the world.

"A Biewer is simply a Yorkshire terrier" There you go again making your own assumptions of what is and is not a pure bred Yorkie, the origin is of the utmost importance, why do you register your partis with the AKC if you are not all consumed with their presumed purity and status.

Anyway a little off topic, have you had any answers to your questions of missing pedigree information on the Biewer database, if there is missing information there will be a reason, a hidden agenda maybe. I have asked for information on many of the dogs in those presumed correct pedigrees, and no one has come forward, because they do not know. I would wonder if Frau Biewer could answer your questions.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by evab

"A Biewer is simply a Yorkshire terrier" There you go again making your own assumptions of what is and is not a pure bred Yorkie, the origin is of the utmost importance, why do you register your partis with the AKC if you are not all consumed with their presumed purity and status.

Anyway a little off topic, have you had any answers to your questions of missing pedigree information on the Biewer database, if there is missing information there will be a reason, a hidden agenda maybe. I have asked for information on many of the dogs in those presumed correct pedigrees, and no one has come forward, because they do not know. I would wonder if Frau Biewer could answer your questions.

I am not making Assumptions, Schneeflöckchen was out of Mr Biewers 2 Junior Champion Yorkies. What part of that don't you comprehend?
Do you really think anyone would send you any info on these dogs? LOL

[Breezeaway]

Anyway my questions were directed to the Biewer Clubs here in the United States, I got my answers. None of them have actually done much research beyond Darling and Fru Fru. And some think that they magically morphed into a cousin of the Yorkie when they hit US soil.

[evab]

I'm sorry dear I believe YOU started this thread asking for info off Biewer Terrier members, but now I see you did not want answers to your questions. Fact is YOU do not know what happened in Herr Biewers Kennels or for that matter Lipmans either. Members are allowed to post replies, even if they do not agree with your unfounded remarks. If this upsets you I suggest in future not to post threads on the Biewer on a YORKSHIRE Terrier Forum

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by evab

I'm sorry dear I believe YOU started this thread asking for info off Biewer Terrier members, but now I see you did not want answers to your questions. Fact is YOU do not know what happened in Herr Biewers Kennels or for that matter Lipmans either. Members are allowed to post replies, even if they do not agree with your unfounded remarks. If this upsets you I suggest in future not to post threads on the Biewer on a YORKSHIRE Terrier Forum

Picking jaw up off floor.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by evab

I'm sorry dear I believe YOU started this thread asking for info off Biewer Terrier members, but now I see you did not want answers to your questions. Fact is YOU do not know what happened in Herr Biewers Kennels or for that matter Lipmans either. Members are allowed to post replies, even if they do not agree with your unfounded remarks. If this upsets you I suggest in future not to post threads on the Biewer on a YORKSHIRE Terrier Forum

Not sure which dear you're referring to, as there are so many dear members here . Regardless, all dears are welcome to post about Biewers on this forum .

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Picking jaw up off floor.

Yeah ... now where's that "ignore" button located?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Not sure which dear you're referring to, as there are so many dear members here . Regardless, all dears are welcome to post about Biewers on this forum .

LOL!!

How's your little tri girl today?

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by evab

I'm sorry dear I believe YOU started this thread asking for info off Biewer Terrier members, but now I see you did not want answers to your questions. Fact is YOU do not know what happened in Herr Biewers Kennels or for that matter Lipmans either. Members are allowed to post replies, even if they do not agree with your unfounded remarks. If this upsets you I suggest in future not to post threads on the Biewer on a YORKSHIRE Terrier Forum

Gloria Lipman is not dead so therefore yes, I do know what happened.

[Duck2010]

Originally Posted by evab

I'm sorry dear I believe YOU started this thread asking for info off Biewer Terrier members, but now I see you did not want answers to your questions. Fact is YOU do not know what happened in Herr Biewers Kennels or for that matter Lipmans either. Members are allowed to post replies, even if they do not agree with your unfounded remarks. If this upsets you I suggest in future not to post threads on the Biewer on a YORKSHIRE Terrier Forum

Amen. thank You for what you have said...

[Breezeaway]

Evab what makes you an expert on the Biewer. Most everything you say is either false info or does not make any sense.
1. You do not own a Biewer
2. There are no Biewers in the UK
3. There are no Parti's in the UK
4. You live in the Uk
5. You have never even seen a parti or a biewer.

I refuse to argue back and forth with you about this. You have no information to offer me that you haven t already posted 50 times over. You cannot back up one thing you say.
I have talked with people in Germany, One very important one as a matter of fact.
I have done months of research on the Biewer Yorkshire and I feel I am more than qualified to state the facts that I know and anyone can go to my website to read it and see the photos and pedigrees. I might add that some of those photos are ones you stole from my site and from me on the pedigree database.
Also the books you post on you site, you obtained the sites from the PYTC website.
I do know who is behind you on all your little displays, You guys will do any to try to discredit me anyway you can, even if it is lies. You are mad because I proved that the biewer is nothing more than a Yorkie and because of that they will never get into AKC as a separate breed. That is the fact of all your postings. Your postings are nothing more than GP trying to do anything she can to say that they are 3 breeds which just isn't so if they are a true Biewer Yorkshire A la Pom pon.

[Micah my love]

Originally Posted by Duck2010

Amen. thank You for what you have said...

I read somewhere (clueless)