Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[gemy]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

This is what every breeder should be concerned with! Health should always be a breeders NO.#1 concern, but for many the money they place into their pockets is more important rather it be a standard colored yorkie or a parti colored yorkie. I personally do have issues with so many breeders preaching about the ytca, as I personally know and have bought from ytca breeders who do NO testing on their breeding stock or the off springs their breeding stock produces. So if the ytca is the elite club for the yorkshire terriers and they set the standards for the breed (which they want every breeder to follow) they should also set a good example of breeding healthy stock along with doing the proper testing needed to confirm their stock is healthy!

Well I certainly emphasize with your concern. I personally don't know the ins and outs of what is required to become both a) a member of the YTCA and b) a referred breeder.

Our club has instituted a voluntary health program called CHIC wherein we submit to the club all results of breed specific tests. It will become the one place you can check on sires/dams, to see if they have a CHIC number and then all test results will come up to your eyes. For eg: CERF, OFA, Hyperuricosia, heart and thyroid. What an idea. One place to look, instead of going through how-ever many databases to get the health results on one potential stud or bitch.

IMHO all health testing should be mandatory and by the breed club. The breed club should issue these are the health tests we have judged to be mandatory for the Yorkshire Terrier, and here are more tests that we highly recommend you do.

If as a breeder you don't agree to this, then sorry... you can not be a member

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by jackson25

As stated already, there are good and bad breeders in every walk of life. Just because one breeder is a member of this club or that club, doesn't mean that breeder is any better than the one that doesn't belong to this or that club. It all gets back to ethics, which is something one is born with, doing the right thing. Any club is going to have members who don't always follow the rules or do the right thing. Doesn't mean the club in a whole is bad, just a few of the members, the good of the YTCA out ways the bad for sure!

I sure do agree!

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

Diana can you breed a parti to a parti and get blue and tan puppies?

You can breed Boxers and get both solid and parti pups...

I guess my concern is that you can not get a mix of both colors in the same litter thus making it easier to make the blue/tan yorkie genetically extint in years to come if the white was allowed as a variation...

If the Parti is a variation and has its own standard and the blue and tan has its own standard, then people would breed them separately.
Without a separate standard it is more likely to happen anyway. Without a separate standard for the parti yorkie the YTCA have less control over it.

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

If the Parti is a variation and has its own standard and the blue and tan has its own standard, then people would breed them separately.
Without a separate standard it is more likely to happen anyway. Without a separate standard for the parti yorkie the YTCA have less control over it.

I'm sorry but I don't think that is how it would work!...If it would then why not breed them that way now! Why wait for the YTCA to do what is right?

[Breezeaway]

Because some of us want to show in AKC, So we Breeding to get better quality. We will take our carriers and show them in AKC, Champion them and keep for our breeding program for the parti.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by jackson25

As stated already, there are good and bad breeders in every walk of life. Just because one breeder is a member of this club or that club, doesn't mean that breeder is any better than the one that doesn't belong to this or that club. It all gets back to ethics, which is something one is born with, doing the right thing. Any club is going to have members who don't always follow the rules or do the right thing. Doesn't mean the club in a whole is bad, just a few of the members, the good of the YTCA out ways the bad for sure!

So true. but ethics are dependent upon breeders understanding the new research, the new concerns within the breed. Doing the right thing, is dependent upon knowledge. At one time it was right to prescribe certain drugs to pregnant woman, and then thalitomide babies.

The question of is a club is good or bad, is dependant in a large part upon the rules n reg's they pass. It shows you their concerns, Next is how they are willing and able to follow up upon those self same rules and reg\s

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

I'm sorry but I don't think that is how it would work!...If it would then why not breed them that way now! Why wait for the YTCA to do what is right?

As in every mother club the purpose of each club, what it stands for, it's ethics/conduct, the standard are guidelines for every member to follow.....

As parti breeders have already publically ignored the standard, constitution, by laws, and the guidlines of the mother club , is it any wonder why the mother club won't sit down to talk to them.

Breeding for color and wanting the standard to be changed for that reason. What's next? Changing the standard for other faults?

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

If the Parti is a variation and has its own standard and the blue and tan has its own standard, then people would breed them separately.
Without a separate standard it is more likely to happen anyway. Without a separate standard for the parti yorkie the YTCA have less control over it.

Isn't the quote below a direct contradiction of the one below?

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Because some of us want to show in AKC, So we Breeding to get better quality. We will take our carriers and show them in AKC, Champion them and keep for our breeding program for the parti.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Because some of us want to show in AKC, So we Breeding to get better quality. We will take our carriers and show them in AKC, Champion them and keep for our breeding program for the parti.

When you made the decision to breed outside of standard, were you not aware that the dogs would not be accepted in the show ring? Did you think that if enough breeders ignored standard and did their own thing the YTCA would change for them? It sounds like some of you breeders have been misled by whoever is selling you breeding dogs.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Isn't the quote below a direct contradiction of the one below?

No because YTCA has not accepted it as a variation of its own and still posts lies about the parti on its website.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

Diana can you breed a parti to a parti and get blue and tan puppies?

You can breed Boxers and get both solid and parti pups...

I guess my concern is that you can not get a mix of both colors in the same litter thus making it easier to make the blue/tan yorkie genetically extint in years to come if the white was allowed as a variation...

OOh, I see what your saying.. No, you could not breed a parti to a parti and get blue and tan pups... BUT, I don't see how or why the blue/tan would become genetically extinct either.. I certainly don't see everyone rushing out to start breeding Parti colored Yorkies.

The standard color yorkie is and always will be the traditionally colored, more popular color (IMO) The "purest" in the Yorkie world will always strive to maintain the blue/tan and their lines will not include the Parti's.. If you look at the other breeds that support other colorations, say the cockers.. there are still very distinct colors.. the buffs have not gone away, nor the blacks just because there are Parti cockers.. you just need to know your lines and who you are breeding too.. the pedigrees are marked with colors for reasons I would imagine.

The carriers are where things could get dicey.. in the Biewer registry I register with.. the carriers have a different series of numbers so it is easy to track.. this I believe is a good practice and a valuable tool.

Diana

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

When you made the decision to breed outside of standard, were you not aware that the dogs would not be accepted in the show ring? Did you think that if enough breeders ignored standard and did their own thing the YTCA would change for them? It sounds like some of you breeders have been misled by whoever is selling you breeding dogs.

I have been misled by no one, I am full aware of what I am doing.

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As in every mother club the purpose of each club, what it stands for, it's ethics/conduct, the standard are guidelines for every member to follow.....

As parti breeders have already publically ignored the standard, constitution, by laws, and the guidlines of the mother club , is it any wonder why the mother club won't sit down to talk to them.

Breeding for color and wanting the standard to be changed for that reason. What's next? Changing the standard for other faults?

Yes I wholeheartedly agree Mary!

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Isn't the quote below a direct contradiction of the one below?

It is very much a contradiction!

[Breezeaway]

It does say IF not now