Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I have been misled by no one, I am full aware of what I am doing.

That's good, but if you are fully aware of what you are doing, then you should accept the consequences. Breed clubs are not put in place to make breeders happy, or to sell dogs.

The bad part of all this, is that I do think it will be even harder for new breeders to earn the trust of ethical breeders and it may even be harder for them to acquire suitable breeding stock so that they can improve their lines.

[Breezeaway]

Put it this this way I am breeding my Champion Male and Champion sired females into my Parti colors. I plan on showing them.

[GreenwoodBiewer]

The Parti's just like the Biewers (IMO) are not at the point in their developement that they can be bred strictly Parti to Parti.. as mentioned earlier.. we still have a ways to go on many things to get the Parti's to the point that they need to be. We will need to do this by bringing them back to spectacualar quality yorkies that posses the characteristics we need, going out to shows, being critiqued by "professionals", and doing it again.. just as you do in every breeding program. Eventually, once the lines are broad enough, there maybe no need to breed back.. we are not there yet. Mostly, in my mind.. because of health reasons. I have my own program deversified enough now that I am starting to feel more confident in that area.. that was step one.. now we can START to look at the rest of the puzzle.

Diana

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Have you seen some of the specimens being shown in the conformation ring now of the "STANDARD COLOR"? I very much doubt you will find every standard colored yorkie in the ring to be of sound structure! How many yorkies of the standard color being shown have bad fronts, bad rears, roach backs, east/west huge ear sets, bad bites, down faced, low tail sets etc? The list goes on and on!

You also cannot group every parti breeder into the same bad breeder group! There is good and bad in everything!

I have a beautiful standard colored show boy in my home with that being said I also own a beautiful parti boy straight from the Nikko breeder. I would place my parti boy up against my multi champion sired standard colored boy any old day!

You are the person that seems to have a problem with YTCA members, correct? You are not the only person to be burned by a YTCA member. As with anything, there are good and not so good. All I can say is get over it. Move on. All of the YTcA members I have met and known are extremely helpful and honest breeders. Except 2. I got over them.

The dogs I have seen in the ring for the last 30 years have, for the most part, been nice dogs. Some not so nice were put in the ring by novices, one of them was even mine, the first dog I ever attempted to show. It didnt take me a long time to figure out this dog just wasnt going to make the cut. But,(that word again) even he was better quality than 90% of the pictures I saw on the parti web-sites.
I am glad you seem to think you have a great parti dog that can beat the pants off your standard dog.
I also think its peculiar that most of the parti breeders slam the YTCA, breeder/exhibitors and like minded breeders, say we cheat and lie and the judges dont know how to judge, and dog shows are a crock, but then crave a champion sired dog or want to breed to champions.
Its almost like you want to improve and get better on the shirt tails of the breeders you seem to despise.

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

You are the person that seems to have a problem with YTCA members, correct? You are not the only person to be burned by a YTCA member. As with anything, there are good and not so good. All I can say is get over it. Move on. All of the YTcA members I have met and known are extremely helpful and honest breeders. Except 2. I got over them.

The dogs I have seen in the ring for the last 30 years have, for the most part, been nice dogs. Some not so nice were put in the ring by novices, one of them was even mine, the first dog I ever attempted to show. It didnt take me a long time to figure out this dog just wasnt going to make the cut. But,(that word again) even he was better quality than 90% of the pictures I saw on the parti web-sites.
I am glad you seem to think you have a great parti dog that can beat the pants off your standard dog.
I also think its peculiar that most of the parti breeders slam the YTCA, breeder/exhibitors and like minded breeders, say we cheat and lie and the judges dont know how to judge, and dog shows are a crock, but then crave a champion sired dog or want to breed to champions.
Its almost like you want to improve and get better on the shirt tails of the breeders you seem to despise.

I have no need to improve and get better on the shirt tails of any breeder, including the ytca members. I have wonderful quality yorkies in my home and some not so nice. The some not so nice are from ytca members and are altered. I can state the best quality I have is from many generations of my very own breedings.

My point is strictly if the parent club for the akc yorkshire terriers are the ones who set the standard THEY ALL NEED TO ABIDE BY IT! They all need to do the proper health testing on their breeding stock! I have seen it all in the time I was showing. I could personally write a best seller, lol!

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

I have no need to improve and get better on the shirt tails of any breeder, including the ytca members. I have wonderful quality yorkies in my home and some not so nice. The some not so nice are from ytca members and are altered. I can state the best quality I have is from many generations of my very own breedings.

My point is strictly if the parent club for the akc yorkshire terriers are the ones who set the standard THEY ALL NEED TO ABIDE BY IT! They all need to do the proper health testing on their breeding stock! I have seen it all in the time I was showing. I could personally write a best seller, lol!

I am sorry you had such bad experiences from YTCA members. As I said, as in any group there are good and bad. Same with dog show judges, some good , some bad. But I have found that the majority of the YTcA members are good people and good breeders.
Do you show your dogs? You must have many champions to breed your partis too.
My post wasnt aiming at just you. I was just saying that from what I have seen on most of the parti breeder web-sites, the quality, or lack there of, is alarming. And I am not talking about color, conformation is the issue.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Put it this this way I am breeding my Champion Male and Champion sired females into my Parti colors. I plan on showing them.

That is exactly what needs to be done Deb...and I am 100 % right behind you in my plans as well. We also need to place better quality carriers and parti's in the hands of serious breeders such as ourselves. We can't do this alone.

Yep..time to quit going in circles on a message board with those who will not even entertain the idea of the parti being granted a variety class. It gets us nothing but headaches.


The parti population and it's carriers have exploded in the last few years...and this is just the tip of the iceberg. It's too late to stop it, but certainly not too late to work with the parti breeders to help control how it is bred in the future. As proven in other breeds with the parti gene...both colors can be bred separate (for the most part) once the parti is where it needs to be to sustain itself.

[puppylove11]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I am sorry you had such bad experiences from YTCA members. As I said, as in any group there are good and bad. Same with dog show judges, some good , some bad. But I have found that the majority of the YTcA members are good people and good breeders.
Do you show your dogs? You must have many champions to breed your partis too.
My post wasnt aiming at just you. I was just saying that from what I have seen on most of the parti breeder web-sites, the quality, or lack there of, is alarming. And I am not talking about color, conformation is the issue.

Health will always be my No.#1 concern with conformation coming in second.

Champions in a pedigree are not the most important to my program. I have stated just because a yorkie is a champion does not make it worthy of being bred and producing healthy quality off springs.

Yes I own one parti yorkie, which does not make me a breeder of parti colored yorkies. But what few parti breeders I consider as reputable are the ones going beyond to do everything right by their dogs and what they believe in. We all have a right to pursue our dreams.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Health will always be my No.#1 concern with conformation coming in second.

Champions in a pedigree are not the most important to my program. I have stated just because a yorkie is a champion does not make it worthy of being bred and producing healthy quality off springs.

Yes I own one parti yorkie, which does not make me a breeder of parti colored yorkies. But what few parti breeders I consider as reputable are the ones going beyond to do everything right by their dogs and what they believe in. We all have a right to pursue our dreams.

Yes, health is the first concern and should be.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

When you made the decision to breed outside of standard, were you not aware that the dogs would not be accepted in the show ring? Did you think that if enough breeders ignored standard and did their own thing the YTCA would change for them? It sounds like some of you breeders have been misled by whoever is selling you breeding dogs.

To quote someone. "it Ain't over till it's over"

Yes we believe the day will come whn there is enough interest in the parti, among the YTCA members, that the will give them a category of their own.

You believe they will not. time will tell.

That is an issue that it does not pay to argue because no one knows.

We have goals of getting the partis to meet the standard in every way except for color. so our partis can be shown with pride.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Health will always be my No.#1 concern with conformation coming in second.

Champions in a pedigree are not the most important to my program. I have stated just because a yorkie is a champion does not make it worthy of being bred and producing healthy quality off springs.

Yes I own one parti yorkie, which does not make me a breeder of parti colored yorkies. But what few parti breeders I consider as reputable are the ones going beyond to do everything right by their dogs and what they believe in. We all have a right to pursue our dreams.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

DNA only proves parentage not color...As said before many times we don't know where the white is coming from...It is thought to be from another breed years ago which would not show up on a DNA test of today...So we really don't know...

The white that may have been there years ago was not desirable and breeders have worked hard to keep the blue/tan yorkie as it is...Not going to just trash years of work because one group of people now want it...Where do we draw the line...all gold, blue borns...blue/tan...gold/tan...I think not...I personally think the line was drawn in the right place...

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I am sorry you had such bad experiences from YTCA members. As I said, as in any group there are good and bad. Same with dog show judges, some good , some bad. But I have found that the majority of the YTcA members are good people and good breeders.
Do you show your dogs? You must have many champions to breed your partis too.
My post wasnt aiming at just you. I was just saying that from what I have seen on most of the parti breeder web-sites, the quality, or lack there of, is alarming. And I am not talking about color, conformation is the issue.

Have you looked at the yorkie websites posting yorkies for sale? Its not just the Parti's, I have run across some horrendous looking blue and gold yorkie websites. There will be people out to make money no matter what breed, but there are some of us that are really trying hard for show quality parti's.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Have you looked at the yorkie websites posting yorkies for sale? Its not just the Parti's, I have run across some horrendous looking blue and gold yorkie websites. There will be people out to make money no matter what breed, but there are some of us that are really trying hard for show quality parti's.

But there are only a handful of parti breeders compared to the thousands of yorkie breeders. The parti sites I looked at were from your parti web-site club members(colorfulyorkie, partiyorkshires, amoung others). You know, the parti breeders that want to improve and show. Those are the ones I looked at. And out of the handful of your members, I only saw 2 sites that had good looking dogs. The rest had dogs with every fault I mentioned in my other post. And it was every dog on their sites, not just one or two dogs. They were no better and some were worse than alot of the bybr sites and yorkies listed for sale on other venues.
These are members of your groups. The ones that abide by your groups code of ethics and bylaws. Im afraid these breeders wont live long enough to see the improvement they desire and need to even set foot in a show ring.
Maybe your parti clubs should not allow every parti breeder to be part of the club. Maybe the parti clubs should be a little more strict like the YTCA about letting members join. Just saying.....

[Breezeaway]

2 ? What are you baseing that on, the actual sites or the photo album?