Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I have no problem with that at all...but it would not affect the miller for a second...they are now almost 100% non-AKC..and if I owned a puppymill I would not go near AKC...I would use ACA..no regulates, no rules, no inspection, no record keeping, no DNA, no consequnces...do as you please. Don't you find most pet shop pups are not AKC now?

Pat, I think you would be surprised if you did a little digging around. Here's a few links.

AKC's SECRET ALLIANCE WITH PUPPY MILLS, HUNTE CORP., "HIGH VOLUME BREEDERS", SUPPORT PUPPY MILLS, by Gayle Roberson & Scott McNeal

Puppy Mills & the AKC

PEDIGREE FRAUD 1 - AKC STUD BOOK CORRUPTION, BULLDOG, KUVASZ, SAMOYED, Exclusive Interviews, Documentation

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/specia...VBC_finalA.pdf

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Pat, I think you would be surprised if you did a little digging around. Here's a few links.

AKC's SECRET ALLIANCE WITH PUPPY MILLS, HUNTE CORP., "HIGH VOLUME BREEDERS", SUPPORT PUPPY MILLS, by Gayle Roberson & Scott McNeal

Puppy Mills & the AKC

PEDIGREE FRAUD 1 - AKC STUD BOOK CORRUPTION, BULLDOG, KUVASZ, SAMOYED, Exclusive Interviews, Documentation

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/specia...VBC_finalA.pdf

that was horrible to read. obviously it's all about the money.

It sounds to me like the police need policing.

Perhaps the breed clubs themselves need to unite and approach the AKC with the possibility of going to another organization, or even starting a new organization.

Every breed club should have one member on a committee that polices the AKC activities. Sort of like Internal Affairs.

They need to let the AKc know that without the breed clubs the AKC would be just another registry.


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[YorkieRose]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Pat, I think you would be surprised if you did a little digging around. Here's a few links.

AKC's SECRET ALLIANCE WITH PUPPY MILLS, HUNTE CORP., "HIGH VOLUME BREEDERS", SUPPORT PUPPY MILLS, by Gayle Roberson & Scott McNeal

Puppy Mills & the AKC

PEDIGREE FRAUD 1 - AKC STUD BOOK CORRUPTION, BULLDOG, KUVASZ, SAMOYED, Exclusive Interviews, Documentation

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/specia...VBC_finalA.pdf

I have read terrible things about AKC..nothing they do surprise me...but until something better comes along, I will support AKC and the exhabiting of dogs.

[Woogie Man]

The American Kennel Club is a proud platinum member of the Missouri Pet Breeders Association.

This is the part of the AKC that the American Kennel Club does not want you to know about -- that they work hand in hand with the puppy mill industry.

And the AKC's relationship with the pupy mill industry is not a small thing either -- it is a vital part of the Americal Kennel Club's financial operation. It is where the money comes from.

Over at The Canine Chronicle, Gretchen Bernardi has written about her five years of working with the "High Volume Breeders Committee" of the American Kennel Club.

The High Volume Breeders Committee is the AKC's new name for what used to be called a puppy mill.

For those who have not followed the AKC's long involvement in the puppy mill business, here's a quick summary:


* While the American Kennel Club has always put itself out there as an "elite" organization of elite people and elite dogs, the facts are quite the opposite. A huge chunk of the money that finances the American Kennel Club, and an astounding number of dogs, come from commercial puppy mill breeders.

* The AKC puppy mill connection first came out in the press in the late 1980s thanks to a handful of defecting staff. Prior to that time the AKC simply ignored questions about puppy mill registrations, lied about it, or gave deflecting answers.

* With the rapid rise of genetic defects within some Kennel Club breeds, the issue of negative genetic loads and genetic bottle necks came to the forefront of discussion on internet list-servs and bulletin boards. Vocal breed club members began to demand that the AKC keep better track of paperwork, and that they stop winking at puppy mills that cranked out a hundreds dogs a year from a single sire.

* The AKC's implementation of a Frequently Used Sire program, along with some increased inspections of commercial breeding facilities, resulted in the Missouri Pet Breeders Association boycotting the AKC and switching most of their registries over to the no-questions-asked, American Pet Registry which originates in Arkansas.


* Over the space of six years – from 1999 through 2006 – AKC registrations dropped by 250,000 dogs as increasing numbers of puppy millers ditching the AKC.

* The loss of puppy mill income precipitated a cash crisis for the AKC. You see, the American Kennel Club depends on puppy mill money to finance their expensive building on Madison Avenue and their money-losing dog shows, as well as their staff travel, pre-and post-Westminster dog show parties and the like.

* What to do? The answer, of course, was to woo the puppy mill trade back, and so the "High Volume Breeders Committee" was created. This was the old puppy mill business with a new (and not too transparent) name.

* The first meeting of the High Volume Breeders Committee was held in September 2001.


In her article, Gretchen Bernardi notes that since 2001, the AKC has not increased the inspection and investigation staff of high volume breeders, and has simply ignored eight of the nine committee members who sought to get the puppy millers to "raise the bar" and change their way of doing business.

Instead of trying to get the puppy mill world to change, the AKC has joined them. The American Kennel Club is now a platinum member of the Missouri Pet Breeders, the very organization which launched the boycott against it back in 2000.

In addition, notes Ms. Bernardi, the AKC has removed the “do not buy puppies from a pet shop” advice from its website.

Andrew Hunte, founder of the Hunte Corporation, the largest commercial puppy mill broker in the U.S. was invited to sit in the AKC box at Westminster.

Then, in 2005, the AKC entered into a contractual arrangement with Petland, the largest outlet for Hunte puppy mill dogs in the U.S.

This deal was only abandoned after a massive protest by dog owners, but the AKC continues to register puppy mill puppies, continues to register pet shop dogs, and continues to give discounts to high volume breeders.

And, of course, now there is a direct web link from the Hunte Corporation (supplier of pet store dogs) to the AKC's web site.

In August of 2007, the AKC unanimously passed a resolution “to direct management to aggressively pursue the registration of every AKC registerable dog and to actively welcome any breeder or owner who is willing to abide by all AKC rules, regulations, and policies.”

In short, do whatever it takes to make nice with the puppy millers. The AKC needs the money!

From this link.... - Terrierman's Daily Dose -

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

that was horrible to read. obviously it's all about the money.

It sounds to me like the police need policing.

Perhaps the breed clubs themselves need to unite and approach the AKC with the possibility of going to another organization, or even starting a new organization.

Every breed club should have one member on a committee that polices the AKC activities. Sort of like Internal Affairs.

They need to let the AKc know that without the breed clubs the AKC would be just another registry.


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This has been discussed before in the thread I linked to earlier. Good to see someone else offended by the AKC's practices.

UKC is out there and, though I know very little of it, there is FCI. AKC does need to realize that the tail (registry) doesn't wag the dog (breed club).

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

The American Kennel Club is a proud platinum member of the Missouri Pet Breeders Association.

This is the part of the AKC that the American Kennel Club does not want you to know about -- that they work hand in hand with the puppy mill industry.

And the AKC's relationship with the pupy mill industry is not a small thing either -- it is a vital part of the Americal Kennel Club's financial operation. It is where the money comes from.

Over at The Canine Chronicle, Gretchen Bernardi has written about her five years of working with the "High Volume Breeders Committee" of the American Kennel Club.

The High Volume Breeders Committee is the AKC's new name for what used to be called a puppy mill.

For those who have not followed the AKC's long involvement in the puppy mill business, here's a quick summary:


* While the American Kennel Club has always put itself out there as an "elite" organization of elite people and elite dogs, the facts are quite the opposite. A huge chunk of the money that finances the American Kennel Club, and an astounding number of dogs, come from commercial puppy mill breeders.

* The AKC puppy mill connection first came out in the press in the late 1980s thanks to a handful of defecting staff. Prior to that time the AKC simply ignored questions about puppy mill registrations, lied about it, or gave deflecting answers.

* With the rapid rise of genetic defects within some Kennel Club breeds, the issue of negative genetic loads and genetic bottle necks came to the forefront of discussion on internet list-servs and bulletin boards. Vocal breed club members began to demand that the AKC keep better track of paperwork, and that they stop winking at puppy mills that cranked out a hundreds dogs a year from a single sire.

* The AKC's implementation of a Frequently Used Sire program, along with some increased inspections of commercial breeding facilities, resulted in the Missouri Pet Breeders Association boycotting the AKC and switching most of their registries over to the no-questions-asked, American Pet Registry which originates in Arkansas.


* Over the space of six years – from 1999 through 2006 – AKC registrations dropped by 250,000 dogs as increasing numbers of puppy millers ditching the AKC.

* The loss of puppy mill income precipitated a cash crisis for the AKC. You see, the American Kennel Club depends on puppy mill money to finance their expensive building on Madison Avenue and their money-losing dog shows, as well as their staff travel, pre-and post-Westminster dog show parties and the like.

* What to do? The answer, of course, was to woo the puppy mill trade back, and so the "High Volume Breeders Committee" was created. This was the old puppy mill business with a new (and not too transparent) name.

* The first meeting of the High Volume Breeders Committee was held in September 2001.


In her article, Gretchen Bernardi notes that since 2001, the AKC has not increased the inspection and investigation staff of high volume breeders, and has simply ignored eight of the nine committee members who sought to get the puppy millers to "raise the bar" and change their way of doing business.

Instead of trying to get the puppy mill world to change, the AKC has joined them. The American Kennel Club is now a platinum member of the Missouri Pet Breeders, the very organization which launched the boycott against it back in 2000.

In addition, notes Ms. Bernardi, the AKC has removed the “do not buy puppies from a pet shop” advice from its website.

Andrew Hunte, founder of the Hunte Corporation, the largest commercial puppy mill broker in the U.S. was invited to sit in the AKC box at Westminster.

Then, in 2005, the AKC entered into a contractual arrangement with Petland, the largest outlet for Hunte puppy mill dogs in the U.S.

This deal was only abandoned after a massive protest by dog owners, but the AKC continues to register puppy mill puppies, continues to register pet shop dogs, and continues to give discounts to high volume breeders.

And, of course, now there is a direct web link from the Hunte Corporation (supplier of pet store dogs) to the AKC's web site.

In August of 2007, the AKC unanimously passed a resolution “to direct management to aggressively pursue the registration of every AKC registerable dog and to actively welcome any breeder or owner who is willing to abide by all AKC rules, regulations, and policies.”

In short, do whatever it takes to make nice with the puppy millers. The AKC needs the money!

From this link.... - Terrierman's Daily Dose -

Very enlightening, but very sad.

how can one agency cater to breeders at both ends of the spectrum. My guess is, the loss of the breed clubs would not have nearly the impact as the loss of the HVBs.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I have read terrible things about AKC..nothing they do surprise me...but until something better comes along, I will support AKC and the exhabiting of dogs.

The way I see it is something better will never just 'come along'. Something will have to be made to happen.

The dog shows are AKC's ace in the hole for breed club loyalty. IMO, it could be inferred that the 'volume breeders' subsidize them to some degree. Not a very pleasant thought. It all seems like an unholy alliance.....confirmed by a wink, a nod and a blind eye.

AKC has been involved with puppy mills since their inception after WW2. Funny how they had survived and built their reputation in the dog world in the years before without the need for the extra revenue. At some point, AKC decided that growth outweighed prestige....again JMO.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

This has been discussed before in the thread I linked to earlier. Good to see someone else offended by the AKC's practices.

UKC is out there and, though I know very little of it, there is FCI. AKC does need to realize that the tail (registry) doesn't wag the dog (breed club).

It only took one video the make a huge impact on Crufts and the British registry. perhaps that is what it is going to take to wake up the AKC.

With the internet, it only takes seconds for a news story to get around the world. Someone needs to expose them.

If the breed clubs refused to participate in their shows, and the word got out as to why they refused. The AKC would have to do something to save themselves.

So it has to start with club members putting pressure on the clubs, and being willing to not show for a while.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Very enlightening, but very sad.

how can one agency cater to breeders at both ends of the spectrum. My guess is, the loss of the breed clubs would not have nearly the impact as the loss of the HVBs.

My take on it is different. Without the breed clubs, the AKC is 'just another registry'. I'd like to know where the outrage is from the breed clubs.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

My take on it is different. Without the breed clubs, the AKC is 'just another registry'. I'd like to know where the outrage is from the breed clubs.

I was speaking strictly financial impact. There are far more puppy mill dogs than there are show dogs.

[cj125]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.ytca.org/Delegate%27s_7-10-1.pdf

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I was speaking strictly financial impact. There are far more puppy mill dogs than there are show dogs.

OK...yes, I agree on that point. But, without the breed clubs, AKC would lose its prestige and become just another paper registry. I think they need to decide if that's the direction they wish to pursue.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by cj125

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.ytca.org/Delegate%27s_7-10-1.pdf

My question is where did you get this Connie?

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by cj125

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.ytca.org/Delegate%27s_7-10-1.pdf

I think the breed clubs should meet without AKC at least once a year. And the meeting you linked was in Raleigh, the home of AKC. I'm surprised to see that the PRIME software is still being discussed after being shelved. Here's a link about PRIME. It was set up to service Petland.

http://www.terrierman.com/prime-AKC-manual.pdf

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I think the breed clubs should meet without AKC at least once a year. And the meeting you linked was in Raleigh, the home of AKC. I'm surprised to see that the PRIME software is still being discussed after being shelved. Here's a link about PRIME. It was set up to service Petland.

http://www.terrierman.com/prime-AKC-manual.pdf

The Parent Clubs/Delegate Meeting is held annually. YTCA holds weekly/monthly/quartly meetings, dependent on issues that being decided upon. Face to Face Meetings are held with the board twice a year. Usually at the National and Roving Specialties.