Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

Once again this is the OP thread. Are the exhibitors that are posting here planning on joining the club? The idea is ethics without politics correct? This thread has gone way off key again and I for one apologize to the OP for my behavior/adding to the pot.

It's been a good informative discussion of parti vs non patri. and it didn't even get close. that's a PLUS

[magicgenie]

Originally Posted by Miracle Yorkies

Hello everyone. Thanks to everyone for your interest in the new club: YTCEHB. I haven't read all of the threads, but have read many of them. I became a member here at YT because of the interest in the club. I probably won't participate often as I find the site difficult to navigate and I happen to be one of those "thin skinned" people who choose to stay away from as much negativity as possible. And that is my right and my choice. And the sad part is that the majority of the folks here are good and caring folks. It sometimes just takes one bad apple to spoil it for me. So, I choose to stand on my own and with that, have created YTCEHB. This is a BRAND NEW club, it is GROWING and any new club will have its bugs to work out and its mountains to climb. It will take members to help it grow. It will take participation. It will take discussions. We have our own discussion group in place as well for the group members only. Right now, yes, it is slow. But with perseverance and growth, it will happen. For me, in a perfect world, we would all get along, help one another in the growth of what we do and respect the differences of opinions on some issues. YTCEHB is here for those of you who want to breed within a set of guidelines that promote ethical caring breeders, but also have the freedom to make certain choices without being judged by others or looked down upon. It is here for mature non judgmental caring breeders who love and care about the breed to help one another, learn from one another, learn from shows, learn from online groups, books, magazines, and learn in any positive ways that are available. I think most ethical caring breeders know the difference between right and wrong. We are not here to label anyone as a show breeder, hobby breed or back yard breeder. Labels are just that: "labels". And to try to agree on what that label means is just everyones' personal opinion. As far as the members listed with listings of their breeding programs on our website, I don't understand the problem with that. We are all proud to be members and want to get the word out about who we are and what we stand for. For me, yes, I LOVE breeding. I love the whole process. I LOVE having six litters a year. I love watching the puppies I produce look better and better as my breeding program grows. I LOVE making puppy buyers happy and giving them quality beautiful healthy puppies with beautiful ears, coats and faces. I don't see anything wrong with that. I have a great passion for what I do. We all have our own goals in life. Some want to show and produce the best show dog. Some want to produce beautiful healthy puppies to make people happy. And to be looked upon as breeders who do not care about the breed, to me, is just plain sour grapes. I respect those who show and am happy they are following their passions. In turn, I demand respect for those of us who are working hard to do our best to produce good quality puppies and love doing it. We all learn in different ways. Just as people who learn to be doctors or lawyers learn in different ways. We can learn in different ways. I learned to be a barber by going to school and getting my license. The gals who worked for me, learned by hands on training in my shop. Some people go to college to learn, some people go to trade school to learn, some people learn with on the job training, some people learn by reading, some learn by researching online. So, the same goes for breeding. And if your heart is truly in it, you will shine. If you are indeed an uncaring breeder, that will be known as well. Thanks and I look forward to more of you becoming members of our small but growing club.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

Marsha Pressley

Marsha, you said that very well. Thank you for your thoughtfulness in starting the club, and determination to perservere as it grows and blooms.
All best, Susan

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by topknot

What some of you are doing are breeding dogs that are not to the standard. Plain and simple. This is a no argument, so I am not sure why this has gone as long as it has. You are trying to change the standard to suit yourself and what your preferences are. The Yorkshire Terrier standard is one that has been in place since 1865 (145 years), as I read in Gordon and Bennett’s book and that this breed was bred for the blue and tan color. In fact since 1865, the color of blue and tan (not white) was such an importance they gave a value to all specifics of the Yorkshire Blue-Tan of which color was given a 25 good blue and 25 for good tan for a total of 50 and a value point for coat only total 25, ears 10, and symmetry like that if Scotch terrier 15 points. I think the Foster’s would be turning over in their graves if they knew what some parti breeders were wanting – to change the standard. I did decided to go back again and re- research the standard point value through the years on the Yorkshire Terrier in reference to the standard and its color (blue/tan; blue& golden/tan) has always been the top importance or one of the highest rated in value. To my understanding trying to include the white to this particular breed would be changing the breed. It would no longer be recognized as its breed. I really feel, as well as many do, that trying to add the color white to the well recognized blue and golden/tan to the Yorkshire terrier standard is not advised for its betterment and protection of this breed we love so much.

I understand that the standard is blue and tan, but I did not think that the parti breeders where trying to change the standard from blue and gold just to put an amendment in the standard for the parti color. I can say that I do not understand the argument Things change and I see no reason why partis can not be shown. I am not a breeder nor do I show dogs but I can not see why all the hostility in both directions ( I can kind of see why the parti breeders feel) This is just from what I have read on this post and others. I hope that one day the parti is allowed into the show ring. One last question for the traditional color yorkie breeders do you or have you ever had a friend that breeds parti yokies? I am just trying to get a feel of how deep this all runs.

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It's been a good informative discussion of parti vs non patri. and it didn't even get close. that's a PLUS

It has been fairly civil as can be for the "P" word, but was hoping for people that wanted to discuss the club to have a chance to do that without feeling intimidated. But hey I am but one, carry on...

Just an FYI I am working on joining the club.
I do have hopes to one day show a standard colored male in the ring (not me personally) but to have him handled by someone and shown. I live too far north and cannot travel far due to health issues. But I hope to have a boy soon (keeping fingers crossed) from championed breeding standard bitch to standard sire.
Some may find this unethical as my plan is to use champion lines to improve my parti line. So be it. I have decided to improve my lines by purchasing the best quality I can get and going from there. Maybe my skinkids will carry on with it when I am gone and maybe the beautiful partis will have their day in the sun. I am happy to join a club that will foster and hopefully show me the way in the show world without all the politics.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

I understand that the standard is blue and tan, but I did not think that the parti breeders where trying to change the standard from blue and gold just to put an amendment in the standard for the parti color. I can say that I do not understand the argument Things change and I see no reason why partis can not be shown. I am not a breeder nor do I show dogs but I can not see why all the hostility in both directions ( I can kind of see why the parti breeders feel) This is just from what I have read on this post and others. I hope that one day the parti is allowed into the show ring. One last question for the traditional color yorkie breeders do you or have you ever had a friend that breeds parti yokies? I am just trying to get a feel of how deep this all runs.

I don't have anyone where I live that I hang with in the yorkie show world that owns or breeds parti's but if I came across someone that I liked doesn't mean I wouldn't be friends with them. That would go for someone of a different religion than me. While I don't condone the breeding of Parti's doesn't mean I couldn't be friends with someone that does. Just like with religion doesn't mean I can't be friends. It's just something I don't believe in.

I hope that answers your question.

Donna

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by Miracle Yorkies

Hello everyone. Thanks to everyone for your interest in the new club: YTCEHB. I haven't read all of the threads, but have read many of them. I became a member here at YT because of the interest in the club. I probably won't participate often as I find the site difficult to navigate and I happen to be one of those "thin skinned" people who choose to stay away from as much negativity as possible. And that is my right and my choice. And the sad part is that the majority of the folks here are good and caring folks. It sometimes just takes one bad apple to spoil it for me. So, I choose to stand on my own and with that, have created YTCEHB. This is a BRAND NEW club, it is GROWING and any new club will have its bugs to work out and its mountains to climb. It will take members to help it grow. It will take participation. It will take discussions. We have our own discussion group in place as well for the group members only. Right now, yes, it is slow. But with perseverance and growth, it will happen. For me, in a perfect world, we would all get along, help one another in the growth of what we do and respect the differences of opinions on some issues. YTCEHB is here for those of you who want to breed within a set of guidelines that promote ethical caring breeders, but also have the freedom to make certain choices without being judged by others or looked down upon. It is here for mature non judgmental caring breeders who love and care about the breed to help one another, learn from one another, learn from shows, learn from online groups, books, magazines, and learn in any positive ways that are available. I think most ethical caring breeders know the difference between right and wrong. We are not here to label anyone as a show breeder, hobby breed or back yard breeder. Labels are just that: "labels". And to try to agree on what that label means is just everyones' personal opinion. As far as the members listed with listings of their breeding programs on our website, I don't understand the problem with that. We are all proud to be members and want to get the word out about who we are and what we stand for. For me, yes, I LOVE breeding. I love the whole process. I LOVE having six litters a year. I love watching the puppies I produce look better and better as my breeding program grows. I LOVE making puppy buyers happy and giving them quality beautiful healthy puppies with beautiful ears, coats and faces. I don't see anything wrong with that. I have a great passion for what I do. We all have our own goals in life. Some want to show and produce the best show dog. Some want to produce beautiful healthy puppies to make people happy. And to be looked upon as breeders who do not care about the breed, to me, is just plain sour grapes. I respect those who show and am happy they are following their passions. In turn, I demand respect for those of us who are working hard to do our best to produce good quality puppies and love doing it. We all learn in different ways. Just as people who learn to be doctors or lawyers learn in different ways. We can learn in different ways. I learned to be a barber by going to school and getting my license. The gals who worked for me, learned by hands on training in my shop. Some people go to college to learn, some people go to trade school to learn, some people learn with on the job training, some people learn by reading, some learn by researching online. So, the same goes for breeding. And if your heart is truly in it, you will shine. If you are indeed an uncaring breeder, that will be known as well. Thanks and I look forward to more of you becoming members of our small but growing club.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

Marsha Pressley

BTW... welcome to YT

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

It has been fairly civil as can be for the "P" word, but was hoping for people that wanted to discuss the club to have a chance to do that without feeling intimidated. But hey I am but one, carry on...

Just an FYI I am working on joining the club.
I do have hopes to one day show a standard colored male in the ring (not me personally) but to have him handled by someone and shown. I live too far north and cannot travel far due to health issues. But I hope to have a boy soon (keeping fingers crossed) from championed breeding standard bitch to standard sire.
Some may find this unethical as my plan is to use champion lines to improve my parti line. So be it. I have decided to improve my lines by purchasing the best quality I can get and going from there. Maybe my skinkids will carry on with it when I am gone and maybe the beautiful partis will have their day in the sun. I am happy to join a club that will foster and hopefully show me the way in the show world without all the politics.

Unfortunately politics will always be involved in the show world when judging is involved by a human. No way around it...

Donna

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

I understand that the standard is blue and tan, but I did not think that the parti breeders where trying to change the standard from blue and gold just to put an amendment in the standard for the parti color. I can say that I do not understand the argument Things change and I see no reason why partis can not be shown. I am not a breeder nor do I show dogs but I can not see why all the hostility in both directions ( I can kind of see why the parti breeders feel) This is just from what I have read on this post and others. I hope that one day the parti is allowed into the show ring. One last question for the traditional color yorkie breeders do you or have you ever had a friend that breeds parti yokies? I am just trying to get a feel of how deep this all runs.

No, I don't. Not that I wouldn't. Just because I don't condone a practice, doesn't mean I wouldn't like the person. You know the saying: you don't have to like a life style, but you can love the person.

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I don't have anyone where I live that I hang with in the yorkie show world that owns or breeds parti's but if I came across someone that I liked doesn't mean I wouldn't be friends with them. That would go for someone of a different religion than me. While I don't condone the breeding of Parti's doesn't mean I couldn't be friends with someone that does. Just like with religion doesn't mean I can't be friends. It's just something I don't believe in.

I hope that answers your question.

Donna

Yes it does , I see all the heat on this thread and it made me wonder just ow far this all goes. Thank you for answering my question.

[Disney]

How is breeding for off colour any different than purposely breeding tiny? Some prefer the look of very small. Still not condone.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by shamrocks

Yes it does , I see all the heat on this thread and it made me wonder just ow far this all goes. Thank you for answering my question.

I just believe in what I believe in and I don't think I've been heated in any of my answers or posts But if I were friends with someone that breeds Parti's I wouldn't sell them a yorkie simply because I don't want that to happen
But again, if the person is nice and is a good person I see no reason not to be friends I just wouldn't condone their practices.

Donna

[yorkielady06]

I bred my first litter of partis this year. Prior to that I was strictly standard. Never knew about partis or the other colors for that matter. Then I had a litter of pups with blues in it. Came on here and was terrified that they would be sickly and die horrible deaths. Those pups are healthy and in happy pet homes. I had them both neutered prior to placing them. But in that research came across the Partis and fell in love. I still love the standards too.
I know one lady in my area that shows, but have never associated with her. Not due to the fact that she only breeds standard colored Yorkies but due to the fact that I have seen her pups and am not impressed. Working in the veterinary field and having many contacts in the Emergency Clinic gives me quite the insight into her practices and others too.
I have recommended people to YTCA site when looking for standard colored pups and have sent people to search out Mardelin, Nancy, etc when help was needed that needed their finesse.
It is my opinion that when people are so passionate about their dogs and lines they tend to turn into bulldogs to defend them. Like I said before I just wish everyone was as passionate about the health screenings....

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

I bred my first litter of partis this year. Prior to that I was strictly standard. Never knew about partis or the other colors for that matter. Then I had a litter of pups with blues in it. Came on here and was terrified that they would be sickly and die horrible deaths. Those pups are healthy and in happy pet homes. I had them both neutered prior to placing them. But in that research came across the Partis and fell in love. I still love the standards too.
I know one lady in my area that shows, but have never associated with her. Not due to the fact that she only breeds standard colored Yorkies but due to the fact that I have seen her pups and am not impressed. Working in the veterinary field and having many contacts in the Emergency Clinic gives me quite the insight into her practices and others too.
I have recommended people to YTCA site when looking for standard colored pups and have sent people to search out Mardelin, Nancy, etc when help was needed that needed their finesse.
It is my opinion that when people are so passionate about their dogs and lines they tend to turn into bulldogs to defend them. Like I said before I just wish everyone was as passionate about the health screenings....

There is one thing I will agree with you too....and that is the health screening!! I'm just as passionate about health as I am the yorkie breed and to me that should go hand in hand

Donna

[yorkielady06]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

There is one thing I will agree with you too....and that is the health screening!! I'm just as passionate about health as I am the yorkie breed and to me that should go hand in hand

Donna

Absolutely.

[shamrocks]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just believe in what I believe in and I don't think I've been heated in any of my answers or posts But if I were friends with someone that breeds Parti's I wouldn't sell them a yorkie simply because I don't want that to happen
But again, if the person is nice and is a good person I see no reason not to be friends I just wouldn't condone their practices.

Donna

I was not saying that you have been heated in your post just that this is a heated thread. I am happy that you stand firm in your beliefs. I am also happy to see that this topic would not prevent you from a person being a friend just because you don’t condone their practices. I like discussions like this it helps me see people in a different light. So many times I read what someone has written and have a hard time getting a feel for who they are. Thank you for letting me see more of who you are I appreciate very much.