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Lorraine · 07-25-2010, 07:58 AM

Genetics are way more complicated than you think. The Mars test may have shown your dog as pure yorkie although it is parti colour. Not sure how that works when the yorkie does not carry the pie bald gene to produce that pattern. Interesting isn't it?
So if the mix is dilute enough would Mars show a purebred? Dilute meaning the mix occured many generations ago but that gene to create the colour pattern is still carried forward.
I still have no idea why anyone would purposely set out to wreck a breed that is so not the breed standard.
There are wrong colours in other breeds that will not ever be recognized by the parent club. Black and white German Shorhairs pointers for example are a fault and are not recognized nor bred for. They are sold for pet if one turns up.
Why the yorkie ended up being targeted to try to destroy the breed is beyond my understanding.

Breezeaway · 07-25-2010, 08:02 AM

So you don't consider the yorkie flashy enough to be in the BIS?

topknot · 07-25-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

Genetics are way more complicated than you think. The Mars test may have shown your dog as pure yorkie although it is parti colour. Not sure how that works when the yorkie does not carry the pie bald gene to produce that pattern. Interesting isn't it?
So if the mix is dilute enough would Mars show a purebred? Dilute meaning the mix occured many generations ago but that gene to create the colour pattern is still carried forward....

The Mars testing was dicussed here last year... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-accuracy.html

Woogie Man · 07-25-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Heres Nicholas' results

In Mars' own words...."While Wisdom Panel Insights is not designed as a pure bred test our results indicate that St. Nicholas' recent ancestry only includes Yorkshire Terrier".

So you have AKC's DNA profile proving parentage only and the Mars test (with the above highlighted qualifiers). Do you really feel that is enough to sway the parent club? Unless a test comes along establishing breed purity, I don't think there's enough there to convince the parent club to allow Partis in.

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"The genetic makeup for the Yorkshire Terrier is:

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S Self colour to totally pigmented surface si Irish spotting involving a few definite areas of white sp Piebald spotting sw Extreme-white piebald

Most breeds without white markings are SS but from time to time markings do appear and in general appear on toes, chest or muzzle. These marks can be present at birth and are lost during infancy. The ones that persist are not other s alleles but to minus modifiers at the S allele and will be limited to those minute amounts in those locations.

Irish spotting is also limited to certain areas of the body as the dominant S is, ruling out either gene in the makeup of Parti Yorkie Tri Colors or Biewers. Limited to forehead, chest, belly, feet and tail tip.

Piebald shows much larger amounts of white on the dogs then the Irish spotting gene.

Extreme-white piebald is seen in those breeds which are white in color. As a result of this double carrier of swsw all other colors can be suppressed. (From Malcolm Willis "Genetics of the Dog")

Breezeaway · 07-25-2010, 08:06 AM

Destroy the breed? Have you looked at all the Puppymills with yorkies. They are the ones destroying the Yorkie.
The Partis are not trying to destroy the breed they just want a separate color variation.
I am carefully choosing what I am breeding, I am not breeding trash out to destroy the yorkie.

gardenyorkies · 07-25-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

Genetics are way more complicated than you think. The Mars test may have shown your dog as pure yorkie although it is parti colour. Not sure how that works when the yorkie does not carry the pie bald gene to produce that pattern. Interesting isn't it?
So if the mix is dilute enough would Mars show a purebred? Dilute meaning the mix occured many generations ago but that gene to create the colour pattern is still carried forward.
I still have no idea why anyone would purposely set out to wreck a breed that is so not the breed standard.
There are wrong colours in other breeds that will not ever be recognized by the parent club. Black and white German Shorhairs pointers for example are a fault and are not recognized nor bred for. They are sold for pet if one turns up.
Why the yorkie ended up being targeted to try to destroy the breed is beyond my understanding.

Very well Said Lorraine!

Elle · 07-25-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gemy

thanks for your reply. I found this very informative, I do have a copy of the illustrated standard, I think though it was issued a long time ago. It is good to know what is being taught at judging seminars. I know when I participated doing ours, the one thing I was asked to do was share with the judges what the breed experts are looking for when they watch and share information ringside.

I don't think Carolyn is doing seminars.

Elle · 07-25-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

I personally do not like the look of the parti or Beiwer either. According to reports from the Biewer group that did DNA testing to find out the genetics of the Biewer, it was found there is very little Yorkie genes in them. They are the result ofgetting a mix in there. You think that didn't happen in the partis? Guess again!
YTCA doesn't want to change the standard to allow partis because they aren't yorkies and do not fit the breed standard for colour.
Call them something else and go through all the work,money, years, dedication it takes to have a new breed recognized. That would not bother anyone instead of trying to ride on the tail of an established breed so you can market them for big bucks as rare.
Here in Canada, there was a problem with some wanting Merle chihuahuas recognized. The Chi club of Canada worked very hard to not only have them not in the show rings, it has just been passed taht a merle Chi cannot be registered regardless of the registration of sire and dam.
A reputable breeder of any purebred dog and their parent club will protect that breed all they possibly can.

Absolutely!

Breezeaway · 07-25-2010, 09:10 AM

Merles dont pertain to yorkies so that point is mute. The merling gene is whole different thing.

Breezeaway · 07-25-2010, 09:18 AM

Because the YTCA will not even discuss with the parti people a way to try make both sides happy nothing will ever get resolved. More and more carriers will just start showing in the ring, its inevitable and over time most of your yorkies will carry the parti gene, if they dont already. The only way to keep them separated is to give them their own standard and class.
So why not talk with us and try to get it sorted out so we can have our own variety and you can keep your standard as is.
No one ever gets anywhere if they wont even talk about it.

Elle · 07-25-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Merles dont pertain to yorkies so that point is mute. The merling gene is whole different thing.

It's exactly the same.

maggiesmom_2007 · 07-25-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Because the YTCA will not even discuss with the parti people a way to try make both sides happy nothing will ever get resolved. More and more carriers will just start showing in the ring, its inevitable and over time most of your yorkies will carry the parti gene, if they dont already. The only way to keep them separated is to give them their own standard and class.
So why not talk with us and try to get it sorted out so we can have our own variety and you can keep your standard as is.
No one ever gets anywhere if they wont even talk about it.

Well I can say this with Absolute conviction. None of my Yorkies have this Parti Gene and they never will. So for you to make that type of statement is basically a bunch of Hogwash. Oh and The breeders I associate with also do not have the Parti gene in their lines either.

Breezeaway · 07-25-2010, 10:30 AM

Of course I dont know what lines your dogs have but I do know some of the big names do have it in their lines.
There were parti pups born from the sire Ch Hylan Acres Ridin the Storm and a daughter of Ch. Durrers Mighty Obsession.
Durrers Ace High goes back to Finstal Icing and Finstal goes back to Streamglen Shaun, the same line some of the partis come from. HMMM

maggiesmom_2007 · 07-25-2010, 10:36 AM

Guess it's good that none of those dogs are in my dogs peds then huh.

chachi · 07-25-2010, 10:43 AM

I think what shes saying is their will be more parti carrier in the ring in the future and more parti carriers bred to yortkies in the future so the gene pool will be diluted in the future

07-25-2010, 07:58 AM	#556
Lorraine Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Abbotsford, BC Posts: 2,060	Genetics are way more complicated than you think. The Mars test may have shown your dog as pure yorkie although it is parti colour. Not sure how that works when the yorkie does not carry the pie bald gene to produce that pattern. Interesting isn't it? So if the mix is dilute enough would Mars show a purebred? Dilute meaning the mix occured many generations ago but that gene to create the colour pattern is still carried forward. I still have no idea why anyone would purposely set out to wreck a breed that is so not the breed standard. There are wrong colours in other breeds that will not ever be recognized by the parent club. Black and white German Shorhairs pointers for example are a fault and are not recognized nor bred for. They are sold for pet if one turns up. Why the yorkie ended up being targeted to try to destroy the breed is beyond my understanding. __________________ Lorraine www.loribenyorkies.com Canada

07-25-2010, 09:18 AM	#565
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	Because the YTCA will not even discuss with the parti people a way to try make both sides happy nothing will ever get resolved. More and more carriers will just start showing in the ring, its inevitable and over time most of your yorkies will carry the parti gene, if they dont already. The only way to keep them separated is to give them their own standard and class. So why not talk with us and try to get it sorted out so we can have our own variety and you can keep your standard as is. No one ever gets anywhere if they wont even talk about it. Last edited by Breezeaway; 07-25-2010 at 09:19 AM.

07-25-2010, 10:30 AM	#568
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	Of course I dont know what lines your dogs have but I do know some of the big names do have it in their lines. There were parti pups born from the sire Ch Hylan Acres Ridin the Storm and a daughter of Ch. Durrers Mighty Obsession. Durrers Ace High goes back to Finstal Icing and Finstal goes back to Streamglen Shaun, the same line some of the partis come from. HMMM Last edited by Breezeaway; 07-25-2010 at 10:32 AM.

07-25-2010, 10:36 AM	#569
maggiesmom_2007 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,991 Blog Entries: 13	Guess it's good that none of those dogs are in my dogs peds then huh. __________________ Lori, Friday, Olivia, Miranda , Chanel and Casey

07-25-2010, 10:43 AM	#570
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I think what shes saying is their will be more parti carrier in the ring in the future and more parti carriers bred to yortkies in the future so the gene pool will be diluted in the future __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

07-25-2010, 08:02 AM	#557
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	So you don't consider the yorkie flashy enough to be in the BIS?

07-25-2010, 08:06 AM	#560
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	Destroy the breed? Have you looked at all the Puppymills with yorkies. They are the ones destroying the Yorkie. The Partis are not trying to destroy the breed they just want a separate color variation. I am carefully choosing what I am breeding, I am not breeding trash out to destroy the yorkie.

07-25-2010, 09:10 AM	#564
Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	Merles dont pertain to yorkies so that point is mute. The merling gene is whole different thing.