Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[bjh]

Years ago I owned a beautiful white german shepherd. In a way the story of the white german shepherd is similar to the parti yorkie. The white german shepherd is a true german shepherd but the parent club decided not to allow them in the AKC conformation show ring so eventually a separate national club for white german shepherds was formed.

History of the White German Shepherd Dog

While, I know that there are many serious caring breeders of parti yorkies, I really don't think the parti color will ever be accepted in the show ring. I also think the bad parti breeders greatly outnumber the responsible breeders but I think it is like that with any breed.

I have never produced a parti Yorkie in my 13 years of breeding and some of my dogs have some of the dogs mentioned earlier in their pedigree.

[Pinehaven]

I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere in this long thread, but I just wanted to say that AKC now lists parti color under the Yorkshire Terrier markings section on their dog registration applications. I was told about this today and went online to register a young parti female .... sure enough, parti color is an option under the markings section. This means parti owners no longer have to submit photos of their parti puppies when registering.

[Miracle Yorkies]

Thanks so much for the welcome. Thanks to a few of you who have joined our club. I hope more of you out there will join us.

Marsha Pressley

Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

Originally Posted by yorkielady06

BTW... welcome to YT

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

It doesn't mean the YTCA has doubts, it just means they don't want it to happen and they are fighting tooth and nail against it ... Goodness, there are people from the YTCA who have joined Biewer clubs NOT because they have a Biewer, love the Biewer or EVER intend on owning one.. but for the soul purpose to be in the club to do all in their power to PROVE that the Biewer is not a Yorkie.. there are other cases where yorkie breeders "befriend" Biewer breeders so to keep an "eye" on them.. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type of scenerio.

To me, this type of behavior reflects fear. You are not going to be able to legislate the Parti's out of existance. The AKC has proven the Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier.. we are on the way to showing that the Biewer is the same.. We are not going to give up on this and there are more people every day who are becoming enthralled with these dogs.. Instead of bickering on forums and only REACTING.. by changing standards in haste and making unprofessional statements on your websites, don't you think it would be far more productive for the YTCA to sit down and chat.

In a business or in life..if you see something coming your way that you don't particularly like, you can't just slam the door.. cover your ears, shut your eyes and pretend it isn't happening. You have to figure out a solution. This solution may not be exactly as you would like it to be, sometimes change isn't in the beginning, but many times in the end you find that change was actually for the better.

Now, at the beginning of this process there is still time to put rules and guidelines in place.. there is a chance to map out how this can proceed logically, to the benifit of all but most importantly.. to the breed we ALL love. We don't want to see the standard changed for that stunning blue and tan/gold dog .. this is the dog most of us started with.. that we still love.. but we KNOW there is a variation of that dog.. we know what they are and how special they are and we are just as determined to see them get their rightful place in the show ring as you are to keep them out.

This can be done right, or this can just be done.. we are at a point were we can still choose. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity.


Diana

But the YTCA and most breeder/exhibitors do have doubts. All of my friends that are dedicated breeders do not believe these are pure Yorkie at all. And these are old time breeders. Been around the block a few times.
I have seen with my own eyes how the parti gene was introduced. I knew a breeder that had an oops litter. She admitted it. Said they would still make nice pets. She still registered them with AkC. She had multiple breeds, by the way. They were parti colored Yorkie mixes. All registered as pure AkC puppies. Made me wonder if the sire or dam were also mixes. She had been breeding this way for 30 years. There was no such thing as Dna and falsifying registration papers was easy. She even had one champion girl. Seemed like she bred that bitch for 12 years by her adds in the paper. She doesnt sound very ethical, does she.
This is only one breeder in one state. Breeders like her were a dime a dozen back in the 70;s and 80;s..
Now, I have looked at your parti pedigrees. One top line will have Ch Nikko about 3 generations back. All the rest are from pet breeders. How do you know what these pet breeders were breeding? I am sure you dont know everyone that bred these generations of dogs. How do you know that they were not just like the lady I knew?
Can you see now why the YTCA is concerned?

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

But the YTCA and most breeder/exhibitors do have doubts. All of my friends that are dedicated breeders do not believe these are pure Yorkie at all. And these are old time breeders. Been around the block a few times.
I have seen with my own eyes how the parti gene was introduced. I knew a breeder that had an oops litter. She admitted it. Said they would still make nice pets. She still registered them with AkC. She had multiple breeds, by the way. They were parti colored Yorkie mixes. All registered as pure AkC puppies. Made me wonder if the sire or dam were also mixes. She had been breeding this way for 30 years. There was no such thing as Dna and falsifying registration papers was easy. She even had one champion girl. Seemed like she bred that bitch for 12 years by her adds in the paper. She doesnt sound very ethical, does she.
This is only one breeder in one state. Breeders like her were a dime a dozen back in the 70;s and 80;s..
Now, I have looked at your parti pedigrees. One top line will have Ch Nikko about 3 generations back. All the rest are from pet breeders. How do you know what these pet breeders were breeding? I am sure you dont know everyone that bred these generations of dogs. How do you know that they were not just like the lady I knew?
Can you see now why the YTCA is concerned?

I'm sorry to hear that you knew someone personally with those types of ethics.. I daresay there are those types of breeders breeding EVERY color of Yorkie, not just the Parti and the pedigrees are every bit as bad.. such a shame.

Now, do you mean you looked at MY parti pedigree or "Our" collective parti pedigrees??? I know in my case.. I DO know the "PET" breeders that bred to these top lines.. I have Nikko's lines three generations back, Kokopelli, two generations back and all the pet lines in between are personal friends of mine who have been breeding for 30 years and I know the parents, the grandparents, the siblings, the kennels, the health and the history.. so YES, I would say I am extremely confident that what I have is pure. (just for the record, I DNA both parents and all puppies I keep.)

I, like you I'm sure.. have to much time, energy and emotion invested into my dogs to fool around with something that is not of the best quality I can possibly get...Now I might ask, Do you know all of the pet breeders on your dogs pedigrees as well?


Diana

[yorkiekist]

well, i posted about the Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders last night, but I guess it never posted. So, since this is what this thread is about, here goes:

While I think that bringing people/breeders together for the betterment of the breed is a good thing, so far the site looks like just another puppy selling/advertising site. Who is to say who is ethical or not? Will everyones kennel be inspected and approved before you can become a member? What criteria is used to approve the members? If education is very important, then why approve parti breeders when they are breeding non-standard Yorkies? Or is the importance of the standard not going to be part of the education program? If you want to include and recommend showing will you be teaching new members that its ok to show parti carriers at AkC events? Will you be teaching all health issues of the breed? What about the health issues of bilateral and unilateral deafness in breeding parti genes?
I know your club is just starting out. Here are a few suggestions:
Maybe your club can have seminars on health issues. Maybe bring in some show handlers to teach handling methods. How about breeder/exhibitor seminars on the importance of structure and movement, correct color and texture? Grooming seminars would be fun also!! A top knot class!!!

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I'm sorry to hear that you knew someone personally with those types of ethics.. I daresay there are those types of breeders breeding EVERY color of Yorkie, not just the Parti and the pedigrees are every bit as bad.. such a shame.

Now, do you mean you looked at MY parti pedigree or "Our" collective parti pedigrees??? I know in my case.. I DO know the "PET" breeders that bred to these top lines.. I have Nikko's lines three generations back, Kokopelli, two generations back and all the pet lines in between are personal friends of mine who have been breeding for 30 years and I know the parents, the grandparents, the siblings, the kennels, the health and the history.. so YES, I would say I am extremely confident that what I have is pure. (just for the record, I DNA both parents and all puppies I keep.)

I, like you I'm sure.. have to much time, energy and emotion invested into my dogs to fool around with something that is not of the best quality I can possibly get...Now I might ask, Do you know all of the pet breeders on your dogs pedigrees as well?


Diana

I dont have pet breeders behind my dogs. And I know where all of them came from for generations.
I wasnt talking about You, as in YOu. But I have seen alot of the parti breeders pedigrees on their web-sites. The top line will have the first Ch Nikko about 3 generations back. All the rest are pet breeders. I will bet my last dollar that they are not all ethical.

But can you see why this is just one of the reasons the YtcA has doubts? Like I said, this lady breeder was a dime a dozen back then. No DNa, no way to prove lineage. She got that parti gene introduced into Yorkie lines pretty easily. Fast forward 25 years and of course Akc's Dna will tell you the parents are Akc registered. But are they REALLY pure yorkies??

[jackson25]

A well bred yorkie should not exceed 10lbs?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by jackson25

A well bred yorkie should not exceed 10lbs?

I don't think there is anything ethical about that breeder. It appears that there are two locations. If someone wants help in the breed it is available. They don't have to be apart of anyone doing things like this.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

It doesn't mean the YTCA has doubts, it just means they don't want it to happen and they are fighting tooth and nail against it ... Goodness, there are people from the YTCA who have joined Biewer clubs NOT because they have a Biewer, love the Biewer or EVER intend on owning one.. but for the soul purpose to be in the club to do all in their power to PROVE that the Biewer is not a Yorkie.. there are other cases where yorkie breeders "befriend" Biewer breeders so to keep an "eye" on them.. "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type of scenerio.

To me, this type of behavior reflects fear. You are not going to be able to legislate the Parti's out of existance. The AKC has proven the Parti is a Yorkshire Terrier.. we are on the way to showing that the Biewer is the same.. We are not going to give up on this and there are more people every day who are becoming enthralled with these dogs.. Instead of bickering on forums and only REACTING.. by changing standards in haste and making unprofessional statements on your websites, don't you think it would be far more productive for the YTCA to sit down and chat.

In a business or in life..if you see something coming your way that you don't particularly like, you can't just slam the door.. cover your ears, shut your eyes and pretend it isn't happening. You have to figure out a solution. This solution may not be exactly as you would like it to be, sometimes change isn't in the beginning, but many times in the end you find that change was actually for the better.

Now, at the beginning of this process there is still time to put rules and guidelines in place.. there is a chance to map out how this can proceed logically, to the benifit of all but most importantly.. to the breed we ALL love. We don't want to see the standard changed for that stunning blue and tan/gold dog .. this is the dog most of us started with.. that we still love.. but we KNOW there is a variation of that dog.. we know what they are and how special they are and we are just as determined to see them get their rightful place in the show ring as you are to keep them out.

This can be done right, or this can just be done.. we are at a point were we can still choose. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity.


Diana

Very good Post.

Those that insist that the YTCA willk NEVER accept the parti, that is just wishful thinking. You cannot possibly know what the YTCA wil decide in time. Slowly, more and more people are coming to accept the parti and it is more likely than no, that the YTCA will accept them in time also.

I think that is what the big issue is about. If everyone were so sure that they would NEVER be accepted they would pretty much just brush off. but they are worried that it will happen so they keep tryhing to make us go away.

That's not going to happen. We are here to stay. And the parti will continue to gain popularity. The majority of the populations still do not even know that a parti colored yorkie exists.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Very good Post.

Those that insist that the YTCA willk NEVER accept the parti, that is just wishful thinking. You cannot possibly know what the YTCA wil decide in time. Slowly, more and more people are coming to accept the parti and it is more likely than no, that the YTCA will accept them in time also.

I think that is what the big issue is about. If everyone were so sure that they would NEVER be accepted they would pretty much just brush off. but they are worried that it will happen so they keep tryhing to make us go away.

That's not going to happen. We are here to stay. And the parti will continue to gain popularity. The majority of the populations still do not even know that a parti colored yorkie exists.

Ytca will not change the standard on the basis of popularity or T-cups would be the standard.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

But the YTCA and most breeder/exhibitors do have doubts. All of my friends that are dedicated breeders do not believe these are pure Yorkie at all. And these are old time breeders. Been around the block a few times.
I have seen with my own eyes how the parti gene was introduced. I knew a breeder that had an oops litter. She admitted it. Said they would still make nice pets. She still registered them with AkC. She had multiple breeds, by the way. They were parti colored Yorkie mixes. All registered as pure AkC puppies. Made me wonder if the sire or dam were also mixes. She had been breeding this way for 30 years. There was no such thing as Dna and falsifying registration papers was easy. She even had one champion girl. Seemed like she bred that bitch for 12 years by her adds in the paper. She doesnt sound very ethical, does she.
This is only one breeder in one state. Breeders like her were a dime a dozen back in the 70;s and 80;s..
Now, I have looked at your parti pedigrees. One top line will have Ch Nikko about 3 generations back. All the rest are from pet breeders. How do you know what these pet breeders were breeding? I am sure you dont know everyone that bred these generations of dogs. How do you know that they were not just like the lady I knew?
Can you see now why the YTCA is concerned?

My partis came from the first registered parti Nikko's Mickey Spillane, sired by Ch Rolls Royce Ashey, and bred by the same people who owned and bred the Nikko line.

They are the same people who were instrumental in getting the AKC to Accept the parti color yorkies.

True there are probably many "parti colored yorkies" out there that are knock offs because the breeder did not want to pay the price for the real thing. but that happens. you have to know who you are buying from.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Ytca will not change the standard on the basis of popularity or T-cups would be the standard.

The parti color and T cups are not the same. it is unsafe to breed for Teacups, it is not unsafe to breed for partis.

The T cup is already in the standard. There is no Minimum weight. I wonder why?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Ytca will not change the standard on the basis of popularity or T-cups would be the standard.

Let me say this, it is very difficult to get the standard opened for changes. It's not just deciding it's going to be opened. Lot's of legalities to get it done. It has to be done with a lot of planning and forethought, laywers, AKC and YTCA. The last time it was opened was 3 years ago this October. It can't be opened for 5 years from that point. Will it be opened then? What I do know is that what is being worked on will be much more stringent than it is now......there will be no room for interpretation on the DQ.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

My partis came from the first registered parti Nikko's Mickey Spillane, sired by Ch Rolls Royce Ashey, and bred by the same people who owned and bred the Nikko line.

They are the same people who were instrumental in getting the AKC to Accept the parti color yorkies.

True there are probably many "parti colored yorkies" out there that are knock offs because the breeder did not want to pay the price for the real thing. but that happens. you have to know who you are buying from.

I am referring to dogs generations before Nikko in the pet portion of the pedigrees. Who actually were these "breeders" These "breeders" are most likely dead by now.None of you could have known what they were breeding. Did they have multiple breeds. Maybe had an oops breeding that they registered? Like the lady that I knew, there were breeders just like her. They were a dime a dozen. This is why it is VERY important to have show lines up front in your pedigrees. At least you know who they are and how they bred.
So tell me how the Ytca can tell who the "knock offs" are from your partis??