When is to early to deworm?

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Question...if a puppy had coccidia, gardia etc (no symptoms)..would using a regular wormer rid this problems?

Fenbendazole (Panacur) has action against giardia, but the usual treatment is Flagyl. I don't know about coccidia, it is not prevalent in my area.

[YorkieRose]

Coccidia and giardia are a problem all over the US..at least that is what it looks like from reading forum threads..a stool check gives me peace of mind...I would just hate myself if I dropped the ball on something so basic, cheap and simple for my dogs. So many things can not be prevented..

[bjh]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Sooooo, if you do not do a stool check, how do you know you are not selling puppies with these parasites? Not all puppies show any symptoms of these nasty things until coming under stress of a new home etc...

The bad thing about coccidia and giardia is that they do not always show up in a routine stool sample. Often it is not until the puppy/dog has an outbreak of diarrhea that is can be detected in a stool sample. I am sure you know that but others might not be aware of it. Any time a puppy has loose stools or mucousy stools they should be taken to the vet asap.

[WinstonMom]

Even when in the diarrhea stage, the recommended protocol is to submit 3 stool samples, as the shedding of the parasite in the stool is very intermittent. I really can't see that there would be any way of knowing before the fact if these parasites were present.

[k Owensk9]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I'm sure Pat knows what is needed for each problem. She's been breeding a lot longer than most of us here. But, I do understand her question; if there is a wormer that would handle all Parasites.....While Albon is primarily used for Coccidiosis. It cang be used for other treatments (although, I've never known where it has been). Tonsillitis, pharyngitis, bronchitis, pnemonia, cystitis, nephritis, metritis, pyometra, mustular dermatitis, anal gland infections, abscesses, woulnd infections, bacterial enteritis, canine almonellosis. Albon should not be prescribed with any other med.

Giardai - Flagyll or Pancur

I read an artical in the AKC kennel gazette about Giardia and it spoke of Panacur (wormer-labeled for Cows-horses-goats-) active ingrediant 10% fenbendazole was 100 % effective while Flagyl was only 80% effective. Of course Panacur must be given 3 day in a row to be effective. This artical was written some 15 to 20 years ago--I'll see if I can find the artical--it was GOOD !!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by k Owensk9

I read an artical in the AKC kennel gazette about Giardia and it spoke of Panacur (wormer-labeled for Cows-horses-goats-) active ingrediant 10% fenbendazole was 100 % effective while Flagyl was only 80% effective. Of course Panacur must be given 3 day in a row to be effective. This artical was written some 15 to 20 years ago--I'll see if I can find the artical--it was GOOD !!!

Flagyl stays in the digestive tract, while Pancur doesn't. That is why Vets have currently turned to it. That and of course it does treat enteritis, why I use it for, as I've never had a case of Giardia. Pancur only has 10% Fenbendzole and used for large strongyles, pinworms and ascarids. You can olso obtain Fix Zole/Metronidazole/Flagyl on revival. The problem doing that is that it comes in 250mg capsoles and one needs to know the correct dosage per weight.

There is also something else on the market for treating Giardia as some strains have become resistent to Pancur.....can't remember what the name is, I'll look it up on my YTCA list.

[bjh]

How do dogs usually get giardia? None of my dogs have ever had it but I read where a lot of puppies get it.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

How do dogs usually get giardia? None of my dogs have ever had it but I read where a lot of puppies get it.

Usually contaminated water, ponds, etc. But, pups more than likely will contract it from eating feces, or passed on from their mother


Causes of Giardia in Dogs

[WinstonMom]

Apparently there is a vaccine for giardia, any feedback about safety and effectiveness of this?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Apparently there is a vaccine for giardia, any feedback about safety and effectiveness of this?

I read an article a while back, from what I recall, because the various strains it wasn't as effective as was expected.

[YorkieRose]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Even when in the diarrhea stage, the recommended protocol is to submit 3 stool samples, as the shedding of the parasite in the stool is very intermittent. I really can't see that there would be any way of knowing before the fact if these parasites were present.

No experince with the parasites, so I do appreciate this info..
I have been told by my vets that if I do an 8, 12wk stool check, I can be fairly sure the pups are "bug" free and since I have not gotten call backs, I guess it works for me...too old to change at this stage..thanks..

[Cooper2010]

Silly question maybe, but why are the tags on this thread? I've read the whole thing and it seems to be some disgreement on when, how and if to use a dewormer. I'm a bit confused as to why the tags are here. Is it because a member tried to rehome a dog some years back? Is that not acceptable? Or is that dog being used in a breeding program?

Not trying to question intent, I just don't really understand why?

btw, I'm using Advantage Multi for heartworm and flea prevention as both are huge problems here. I have read that Revolution is better, but I don't know.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Donna,

I am not at all arguing that all pups should be dewormed, I do not deworm my pups unless they are wormy. I have not had a pup with worms but that doesn't mean that I won't at some point. But a comment was made that someone had an "ICK" house and that they may "at this point have to treat their entire house". If someone said that to me, I would be extremely offended.
I was simply trying to make a point that it is, in fact, extremely easy to become infected with worms as well as countless other parasitic organisms and that it can happen to the cleanest of the clean.

Read post #172 You took what was said out of context. it is this type of misquoting that starts arguments.

[Cooper2010]

So no one can explain the tags?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Cooper2010

Silly question maybe, but why are the tags on this thread? I've read the whole thing and it seems to be some disgreement on when, how and if to use a dewormer. I'm a bit confused as to why the tags are here. Is it because a member tried to rehome a dog some years back? Is that not acceptable? Or is that dog being used in a breeding program?

Not trying to question intent, I just don't really understand why?

btw, I'm using Advantage Multi for heartworm and flea prevention as both are huge problems here. I have read that Revolution is better, but I don't know.

This thread is not about rehoming a dog, it is a discussion on deworming puppies. It is not a matter of I believe this and you believe that, it is a matter of irresponsibly feeding poison to puppies withdout first determining if they need it.

If the adult dogs do not have worms, then the puppies will not have worms. And if the adult dogs have worms, then take care of that problem and there will be no reason to deworm the puppies 5 times.

Over exposer to pesticides causes cancer. Hopefully the people that were routinely deworming puppies, will change their way of doing things.

The tags are there so this thread will come up if someone does a search on any of those words.