honest question to breeders

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

You know Audrey, I could be wrong, but my gut feeling is that the OP wanted something more out of her orginal question....and I always go with my gut instincts

Donna

Donna,
I agree with you, and I have to say I also have enjoyed this thread, it has been so controlled and mature.

Audrey

[teacup0819]

Just to add my two cents here....and I am not a breeder, just a yorkie owner. When I picked up my yorkie a few weeks ago, the first thing friends said to me were....you could breed her and make alot of money. I was horrified I got Trixie from a breeder with limited registration. I will have her spayed when she gets old enough and never had any intention of breeding her.

My point is: you really never know who you are dealing with....I could never have imagined these "dog owners" would have thought of breeding for profit (so I could make up the money I spent on Trixie). Just the thought makes me angry.

I have the utmost respect for all the breeders for the time, effort and expense you put into your yorkies. I am so grateful for my Trixie. Without good responsible breeders, the yorkie wouldn't be what it is today.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i don't take any offense because you are entitled to your opinion. once again, i'm confident in where i stand and i'm the only one who knows what i say to be true. why would i say it especially in an anonymous environment (online) if it weren't how i felt? it's impossible to offend someone with conviction.

if anyone is getting a "rise" that is their own choice. when someone stands firm by what they say and believes it, it's not possible to ruffle the feathers.

Agreed 100% in the statement in confidence in what one believes and convictions!
I never get offended in my breeding program as I stand behind it 100% and never defend it because again I stand behind it 100%
Only time my feathers (hair) are ruffled is when the wind blows LOL

Donna

[topknot]

I know you are trying to think things through and to be honest. While my children were young and growing up we had dogs that we adopted from the pound. I had been a vet tech and knew how important it was to help a dog in need. I felt compassion to save a soul.
Well, in reality - it was not easy to live with a dog from the pound. It can and does come with propblems and people need to be aware of this. I know, since I went through it.
We adopted one that had a shyness problem. I mean a real problem. We found out later after the adoption that she had been beaten by her previous owner. She was a sweety, but would not come to you and would always flinge and coward. She also had heartworms when we adopted her and we paid and took care of her to get rid of them. It was very scary going through the treatments, since we knew she could die from it. She did get better with us over the years, but was never really that friendly, but was very sweet. She was an English Sheep dog. And I loved her. We had her till she died of old age.
We adopted another pound dog - a sheltie that dug up my yard and was very over compulsive and hyper. She hated the kids in the pool and would run circles around the pool barking the whole time, so we had a dirt ring around the pool. We lived in Florida at the time and so was most of the year going through this. And was not that great with the kids being wet, always getting mudddy then. We did even tried to place her in the house while the kids were in the pool, but we still heard her bark and she scratched the door up trying to get out. Not very enjoyable to listen too.
So when you do adopt a dog from the pound, yes, it is very good when ones does so, but you must be ready for any problems they come with. Often sadly they are there due to past owners or because the pass owners did not want to put up with it. So sad!

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

if someone breeds and does it because they just want to or like to, or even if it is for money - so be it. that's their prerogative and more respectable in my opinion.

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i don't take any offense because you are entitled to your opinion. once again, i'm confident in where i stand and i'm the only one who knows what i say to be true. why would i say it especially in an anonymous environment (online) if it weren't how i felt? it's impossible to offend someone with conviction.

if anyone is getting a "rise" that is their own choice. when someone stands firm by what they say and believes it, it's not possible to ruffle the feathers.

I strongly disagree with the idea that those who breed only for the money or "just because they want to" are more respectable. The thought of just anyone breeding, without doing everything possible to ensure the health and lifelong safety of their puppies is horrifying. These are living creatures, not toys to play with or products to earn a profit on.

It appears that I posted in support too quickly. I thought you were asking these questions honestly, but now it appears that you already had your mind made up and just started this thread to cause a stir, and create the idea that there are no good, responsible, ethical breeders.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by topknot

I know you are trying to think things through and to be honest. While my children were young and growing up we had dogs that we adopted from the pound. I had been a vet tech and knew how important it was to help a dog in need. I felt compassion to save a soul.
Well, in reality - it was not easy to live with a dog from the pound. It can and does come with propblems and people need to be aware of this. I know, since I went through it.
We adopted one that had a shyness problem. I mean a real problem. We found out later after the adoption that she had been beaten by her previous owner. She was a sweety, but would not come to you and would always flinge and coward. She also had heartworms when we adopted her and we paid and took care of her to get rid of them. It was very scary going through the treatments, since we knew she could die from it. She did get better with us over the years, but was never really that friendly, but was very sweet. She was an English Sheep dog. And I loved her. We had her till she died of old age.
We adopted another pound dog - a sheltie that dug up my yard and was very over compulsive and hyper. She hated the kids in the pool and would run circles around the pool barking the whole time, so we had a dirt ring around the pool. We lived in Florida at the time and so was most of the year going through this. And was not that great with the kids being wet, always getting mudddy then. We did even tried to place her in the house while the kids were in the pool, but we still heard her bark and she scratched the door up trying to get out. Not very enjoyable to listen too.
So when you do adopt a dog from the pound, yes, it is very good when ones does so, but you must be ready for any problems they come with. Often sadly they are there due to past owners or because the pass owners did not want to put up with it. So sad!

Sorry to hear you did not have great experiences. Please keep in mind that many rescues will do temperment tests on their dogs, and be able to warn you about potential problems you may face. Also, if it's possible, it's a good idea to bring your entire family in (including pets) to meet the dog beforehand. That way, if you have kids, you won't end up with a dog that doesn't like them.

By the way, I'm in love with your avatar.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Sorry to hear you did not have great experiences. Please keep in mind that many rescues will do temperment tests on their dogs, and be able to warn you about potential problems you may face. Also, if it's possible, it's a good idea to bring your entire family in (including pets) to meet the dog beforehand. That way, if you have kids, you won't end up with a dog that doesn't like them.

By the way, I'm in love with your avatar.

I agree. She liked the kids - no problem there. She was hit by her past owners to where she was gun shy. I do not blame her. She was just the happy well adjusted dog everyone hopes they get. She was great with the kids. She would just shy away from most everyone and you had to call her over and over again to come. You had to be very patient and gentle and never talk loud while she was around or she would coward. If we had company or a party at our home, we kept her in our bedroom to protect her with the soft music on. We juist had to be very patient with her and understanding. Why anyone would have beat her with a broom stick I never could understand it.
Then the sheltie - was just not wraped too tight. Dogs are like people and they all have their own personalities. I think she was from bad breeding, since she was just not very right - way too high strung and very hyper with over complusive behaviors. My boss (vet) helped me a lot to understand her, but we just understood she was just a bit crazy. She loved the kids too. I think the thing was with the pool, she did not want the kids in it. Maybe a sheltie thing too with water. I do not know, only that it was hard to deal with. We did since I could not bear giving her away to anyone else and returning her to the pound was not my option either. I felt that all things happen for a reason and she was meant to find her way to our home. Just like you love your child no matter what or with any problems they are born with, they are yours and you love them no matter what. That was the case here. One just needs to be prepared if they adopted a pup from the pound it may come with a problem and you need to be ready for it, whether it be health or personality problems.

Thanks - about the avitar. That is my Cha-Cha. She will be in the Yorky Club magazine this issue.

To the Op - no - not all breeders breed for money. I am always in the hole - I spend more on my dogs, because I love them. I love them and the breed and with that comes great responsiblity. To breed correctly - no short cuts are taken and that means it is very expensive.

[QuickSilver]

Originally Posted by topknot

I agree. She liked the kids - no problem there. She was hit by her past owners to where she was gun shy. I do not blame her. She was just the happy well adjusted dog everyone hopes they get. She was great with the kids. She would just shy away from most everyone and you had to call her over and over again to come. You had to be very patient and gentle and never talk loud while she was around or she would coward. If we had company or a party at our home, we kept her in our bedroom to protect her with the soft music on. We juist had to be very patient with her and understanding. Why anyone would have beat her with a broom stick I never could understand it.
Then the sheltie - was just not wraped too tight. Dogs are like people and they all have their own personalities. I think she was from bad breeding, since she was just not very right - way too high strung and very hyper with over complusive behaviors. My boss (vet) helped me a lot to understand her, but we just understood she was just a bit crazy. She loved the kids too. I think the thing was with the pool, she did not want the kids in it. Maybe a sheltie thing too with water. I do not know, only that it was hard to deal with. We did since I could not bear giving her away to anyone else and returning her to the pound was not my option either. I felt that all things happen for a reason and she was meant to find her way to our home. Just like you love your child no matter what or with any problems they are born with, they are yours and you love them no matter what. That was the case here. One just needs to be prepared if they adopted a pup from the pound it may come with a problem and you need to be ready for it, whether it be health or personality problems.

Thanks - about the avitar. That is my Cha-Cha. She will be in the Yorky Club magazine this issue.

To the Op - no - not all breeders breed for money. I am always in the hole - I spend more on my dogs, because I love them. I love them and the breed and with that comes great responsiblity. To breed correctly - no short cuts are taken and that means it is very expensive.

That's AWESOME! Let us know when it comes out!

[topknot]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

That's AWESOME! Let us know when it comes out!

It is out now and heading to subscribers. She is in the photo contest section - bottom row first one on the left. Here is a link to see the preview - ...::: Yorky Club - Articles :::...
Her photo was voted on and won.

[QuickSilver]

Wow, I didn't even know this magazine existed. I may just have to get myself a copy.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by topknot

I agree. She liked the kids - no problem there. She was hit by her past owners to where she was gun shy. I do not blame her. She was just the happy well adjusted dog everyone hopes they get. She was great with the kids. She would just shy away from most everyone and you had to call her over and over again to come. You had to be very patient and gentle and never talk loud while she was around or she would coward. If we had company or a party at our home, we kept her in our bedroom to protect her with the soft music on. We juist had to be very patient with her and understanding. Why anyone would have beat her with a broom stick I never could understand it.
Then the sheltie - was just not wraped too tight. Dogs are like people and they all have their own personalities. I think she was from bad breeding, since she was just not very right - way too high strung and very hyper with over complusive behaviors. My boss (vet) helped me a lot to understand her, but we just understood she was just a bit crazy. She loved the kids too. I think the thing was with the pool, she did not want the kids in it. Maybe a sheltie thing too with water. I do not know, only that it was hard to deal with. We did since I could not bear giving her away to anyone else and returning her to the pound was not my option either. I felt that all things happen for a reason and she was meant to find her way to our home. Just like you love your child no matter what or with any problems they are born with, they are yours and you love them no matter what. That was the case here. One just needs to be prepared if they adopted a pup from the pound it may come with a problem and you need to be ready for it, whether it be health or personality problems.

Thanks - about the avitar. That is my Cha-Cha. She will be in the Yorky Club magazine this issue.

To the Op - no - not all breeders breed for money. I am always in the hole - I spend more on my dogs, because I love them. I love them and the breed and with that comes great responsiblity. To breed correctly - no short cuts are taken and that means it is very expensive.

Oops - meant to say not the well adjusted.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Wow, I didn't even know this magazine existed. I may just have to get myself a copy.

Oh, it is a must have! Fantastic articles in the magazine. I would not miss it! They also tell about Jilli Dog's performances too. She is so smart!

[QuickSilver]

Oh, ha ha. I was confused. I think it's wonderful that you took two dogs in and that you committed to them regardless of their emotional quirks. I just wanted to make sure that people understand that they CAN go to a rescue and get a dog that fits their needs. To be fair, if you get a puppy from a breeder, you don't know how its personality will turn out. I just hate to think someone would be turned off from adopting because they think that any dog they get will be "troubled".

[topknot]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Oh, ha ha. I was confused. I think it's wonderful that you took two dogs in and that you committed to them regardless of their emotional quirks. I just wanted to make sure that people understand that they CAN go to a rescue and get a dog that fits their needs. To be fair, if you get a puppy from a breeder, you don't know how its personality will turn out. I just hate to think someone would be turned off from adopting because they think that any dog they get will be "troubled".

I know what you mean. But they also need to be prepared just in case. Many of the dogs in pounds are there unfortunely not related to anything they did. It is mostly due to humans. Yes, there are dogs in there that make wonderful pets and I would not want to deter anyone from adopting. You just need to be well informed to be prepared just in case. I would never change my adoptions. They were my babies and I hope it was me that gave them a second chance, even though the two I adopted did change my home a bit. I do have to admit that adopting a healthy happy well adjusted pup from a reputable well educated breeder is the best situation, but not all pups are adopted this way for everyone and not a choice all people make. It is up to one's own family at the time and their specific situations at the time.

[HollyandMommy]

Thanks for posting your experience. I so agree with you all.