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LuvMyPuppE · 03-31-2010, 06:23 AM

okay, i have a question - and please don't take offense to it because there's no reason to. i really just want to know the honest answer.

why do many breeders sell puppies under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered? this doesn't make sense to me.

i can understand why dogs from shelters or rescues must be spayed or neutered to prevent even more unwanted puppies. however, i don't understand why a breeder who sells a puppy to a loving owner who they trust sells under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered.

afterall, if you sell it to a person - you trust that they will not abuse the dog or use it in a puppy mill - one would think.

to put it bluntly - why is it that a breeder allows their dogs to reproduce, but sell under the condition that the new owner not be allowed to do that. seems like what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

educate me.

Mardelin · 03-31-2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

okay, i have a question - and please don't take offense to it because there's no reason to. i really just want to know the honest answer.

why do many breeders sell puppies under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered? this doesn't make sense to me.

i can understand why dogs from shelters or rescues must be spayed or neutered to prevent even more unwanted puppies. however, i don't understand why a breeder who sells a puppy to a loving owner who they trust sells under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered.

afterall, if you sell it to a person - you trust that they will not abuse the dog or use it in a puppy mill - one would think.

to put it bluntly - why is it that a breeder allows their dogs to reproduce, but sell under the condition that the new owner not be allowed to do that. seems like what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

educate me.

You asked, I'll answer. Breeding, if done correctly requires studying canine reproduction, genetics, the standard, breeding and whelping. It has nothing to do with not wanting anyone else to breed, they just don't want them breeding without knowledge. Many breeders have spent years of blood, sweat and tears perfecting their lines and don't want to see them destroyed in the hands of someone that is just breeding to sell puppies. However, if a person comes along that has the best interest of the breed and has a desire to breed to improve it a breeder will always mentor that person.

Remember it's not about the breeder feeling that there will be competition, it's about perserving the breed. So, many have entered the breeding world and don't have a clue on how to proceed; their idea is just putting 2 dogs together, sell puppies.

Mardelin · 03-31-2010, 06:38 AM

Let me add....there are breeders out there that have no concern for their dogs and will sell to anyone with breeding rights. To them it's all about the $$$$$

BamaFan121s · 03-31-2010, 06:45 AM

Breeders want what's best for their dogs and the breed even AFTER they leave their hands. It all comes down to taking the precautions that they feel would be in the best interest of the dogs in the long run.
If they feel that one of their pups is of a quality that should not be bred, then they do what they can to ensure there is no possibility that it will be used for breeding in the future. Aside from wanting what's best for their dogs, no breeder wants their name or line associated with poor breeding down the line as a result of someone having one of their dogs and not breeding responsibly.
Also, just because you trust someone as a responsible owner, doesn't mean you would trust them as a responsible breeder. Many breeders are not willing place a dog with someone who may be a great owner, but who has zippo knowledge regarding breeding, without a s/n agreement.
When breeders place dogs with breeding rights, it is generally with someone they trust as a breeder, or who they are mentoring and it is a dog that they feel has great qualities and will contribute to the breed.

Also, people change. Many times breeders find out that people are not as trustworthy as they thought.

cj125 · 03-31-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

okay, i have a question - and please don't take offense to it because there's no reason to. i really just want to know the honest answer.

why do many breeders sell puppies under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered? this doesn't make sense to me.

i can understand why dogs from shelters or rescues must be spayed or neutered to prevent even more unwanted puppies. however, i don't understand why a breeder who sells a puppy to a loving owner who they trust sells under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered.

afterall, if you sell it to a person - you trust that they will not abuse the dog or use it in a puppy mill - one would think.

to put it bluntly - why is it that a breeder allows their dogs to reproduce, but sell under the condition that the new owner not be allowed to do that. seems like what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

educate me.

I just wanted to point out that good breeders don't "allow their dogs to reproduce" - they plan for it.

Brooklynn · 03-31-2010, 06:54 AM

I don't want to repeat what the others have said because it's all correct...I want to add this...if you want a pet why have anything against spay/neuter? The reason pets are placed in pet homes is because of just that pet not for breeding. So much goes into breeding and if you want a loving pet and want a healthy pet there shouldn't be anything wrong with wanting your loving pet on a spay/neuter contract

Inexperience in breeding can cause the death of your pet and if you don't know what you are doing and do not know the genetics and health issues of your lines you are breeding you could end up putting a puppy with serious health issues into a home and then the heartaches start for you and the new family!

Donna

bellemarie · 03-31-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cj125

I just wanted to point out that good breeders don't "allow their dogs to reproduce" - they plan for it.

a lot of stress and time goes into finding a suitable breeding pair. its not a case
'hey, is your dog kc reg?'
'yes he is, why?'
'because my girl is going into season soon and i want to breed her... fancy letting him have a bit of fun? i'll give you a stud fee?'
'cool, how much?'
'£100?'
'here's my adress and number...'

the reason many insist on the spay clause is because people can be great actors... and liars!
i just put endorsments on my pups and say that IF that dog is suitable for breeding (with proof from 2 vets) then i will lift the endorsment- otherwise it isnt worth breeding because you can't register the pups and that non reg puts most people off...

Mardelin · 03-31-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie

a lot of stress and time goes into finding a suitable breeding pair. its not a case
'hey, is your dog kc reg?'
'yes he is, why?'
'because my girl is going into season soon and i want to breed her... fancy letting him have a bit of fun? i'll give you a stud fee?'
'cool, how much?'
'£100?'
'here's my adress and number...'

the reason many insist on the spay clause is because people can be great actors... and liars!
i just put endorsments on my pups and say that IF that dog is suitable for breeding (with proof from 2 vets) then i will lift the endorsment- otherwise it isnt worth breeding because you can't register the pups and that non reg puts most people off...

The reason I have a spay/nueter clause, limited regisration....why would I let the pup be bred if I didn't feel I wanted it in my breeding program.

LuvMyPuppE · 03-31-2010, 07:21 AM

thanks for all of the responses.

brooklyn, you used the word "you" a lot - and i don't know if that's just habit, but to clear things up - i am NOT looking to breed. i have no interest in it whatsoever.

i actually adoped a "pound puppy" and got her spayed - i wouldn't have it any other way.

it's just something i've noticed to be common when looking for a pup.

Mardelin · 03-31-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

thanks for all of the responses.

brooklyn, you used the word "you" a lot - and i don't know if that's just habit, but to clear things up - i am NOT looking to breed. i have no interest in it whatsoever.

i actually adoped a "pound puppy" and got her spayed - i wouldn't have it any other way.

it's just something i've noticed to be common when looking for a pup.

I don't think Donna was writing in you as an individual, but in generalization. After awhile, you'll get the gist on how most communicate.....

Brooklynn · 03-31-2010, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

thanks for all of the responses.

brooklyn, you used the word "you" a lot - and i don't know if that's just habit, but to clear things up - i am NOT looking to breed. i have no interest in it whatsoever.

i actually adoped a "pound puppy" and got her spayed - i wouldn't have it any other way.

it's just something i've noticed to be common when looking for a pup.

Mardelin is right I am not referring to you as an individual and it's a generalization. It's probably habit but it's a word I use very often but it doesn't meant you as the individual LOL...if I'm directing something to the individual I normally use your post in a quote

Donna

maryeverett1 · 03-31-2010, 07:52 AM

This was a very interesting thread to read and I learned a ton from reading so thanks for asking the question and thanks for the great responses!! Can I just also add, I got 2 yorkies from a breeder (one boy and one girl at seperate times from seperate litters same breeder) there was no spay/neuter clause although I intended to have them both fixed. Some things came up in my life around the time I was set to spay my girl (friend died of cancer funeral was the day of the appointment) and had to cancel. My girl went into heat without me realizing (because I was inexperienced) and got pregnant, had to have a c-section because it was only one pup and now I am raising a pup! I have since had both dogs fixed. I never intended to breed them and never in a million years wanted this to happen. I think a good breeder (like the ones above) have that clause thinking not only of the sale of the puppy but what's best for the grown dog down the line. Luckily my story has a happy ending and mom and baby are fine but if she would have been smaller or me not a caring and consciencious owner the dog could have died in the process! So I think good breeders are thinking way past just the sale of the dog to what's in everyone's best interest including the puppy they are selling! Thank you again for your responses and for allowing us to learn something new everyday through YT!

maryeverett1 · 03-31-2010, 07:58 AM

Just to add I'm not selling my pup I am keeping him because I do not want to sell anything I'm not qualified to sell and love him anyway and want to raise him! Loved what someone said about just because a person is qualified to be a pet owner does not make them qualified to be a breeder!! Fantastic point! I believe my breeder was a good one for me but don't know if I would refer to anyone else without giving them all the facts and refering them to someone like one of the ladies listed above to get truly good advice and info! Love that they have the breed and their dogs best interest at heart first!!

maryeverett1 · 03-31-2010, 08:05 AM

One more thing My situation is a perfect example of why truly good breeders have spay/neuter clauses in a contract! Anything can happen!! Sometimes people have the best of intentions and things still happen anyway! It's a safety precaution for all involved!

maryeverett1 · 03-31-2010, 08:13 AM

Noticed you're a "newbie"...welcome to Yorkie Talk!!! Hope to see you around! Have a fantastic day!!!

03-31-2010, 06:23 AM	#1
LuvMyPuppE Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: TN Posts: 200	honest question to breeders okay, i have a question - and please don't take offense to it because there's no reason to. i really just want to know the honest answer. why do many breeders sell puppies under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered? this doesn't make sense to me. i can understand why dogs from shelters or rescues must be spayed or neutered to prevent even more unwanted puppies. however, i don't understand why a breeder who sells a puppy to a loving owner who they trust sells under the condition that it must be spayed or neutered. afterall, if you sell it to a person - you trust that they will not abuse the dog or use it in a puppy mill - one would think. to put it bluntly - why is it that a breeder allows their dogs to reproduce, but sell under the condition that the new owner not be allowed to do that. seems like what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. educate me.

03-31-2010, 06:38 AM	#3
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	Let me add....there are breeders out there that have no concern for their dogs and will sell to anyone with breeding rights. To them it's all about the $$$$$ __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

03-31-2010, 06:54 AM	#6
Brooklynn Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,280	I don't want to repeat what the others have said because it's all correct...I want to add this...if you want a pet why have anything against spay/neuter? The reason pets are placed in pet homes is because of just that pet not for breeding. So much goes into breeding and if you want a loving pet and want a healthy pet there shouldn't be anything wrong with wanting your loving pet on a spay/neuter contract Inexperience in breeding can cause the death of your pet and if you don't know what you are doing and do not know the genetics and health issues of your lines you are breeding you could end up putting a puppy with serious health issues into a home and then the heartaches start for you and the new family! Donna __________________ Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers www.brooklynnyorkies.com Last edited by Brooklynn; 03-31-2010 at 06:56 AM.

03-31-2010, 06:45 AM	#4
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Breeders want what's best for their dogs and the breed even AFTER they leave their hands. It all comes down to taking the precautions that they feel would be in the best interest of the dogs in the long run. If they feel that one of their pups is of a quality that should not be bred, then they do what they can to ensure there is no possibility that it will be used for breeding in the future. Aside from wanting what's best for their dogs, no breeder wants their name or line associated with poor breeding down the line as a result of someone having one of their dogs and not breeding responsibly. Also, just because you trust someone as a responsible owner, doesn't mean you would trust them as a responsible breeder. Many breeders are not willing place a dog with someone who may be a great owner, but who has zippo knowledge regarding breeding, without a s/n agreement. When breeders place dogs with breeding rights, it is generally with someone they trust as a breeder, or who they are mentoring and it is a dog that they feel has great qualities and will contribute to the breed. Also, people change. Many times breeders find out that people are not as trustworthy as they thought.

03-31-2010, 07:21 AM	#9
LuvMyPuppE Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: TN Posts: 200	thanks for all of the responses. brooklyn, you used the word "you" a lot - and i don't know if that's just habit, but to clear things up - i am NOT looking to breed. i have no interest in it whatsoever. i actually adoped a "pound puppy" and got her spayed - i wouldn't have it any other way. it's just something i've noticed to be common when looking for a pup.

03-31-2010, 07:52 AM	#12
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	This was a very interesting thread to read and I learned a ton from reading so thanks for asking the question and thanks for the great responses!! Can I just also add, I got 2 yorkies from a breeder (one boy and one girl at seperate times from seperate litters same breeder) there was no spay/neuter clause although I intended to have them both fixed. Some things came up in my life around the time I was set to spay my girl (friend died of cancer funeral was the day of the appointment) and had to cancel. My girl went into heat without me realizing (because I was inexperienced) and got pregnant, had to have a c-section because it was only one pup and now I am raising a pup! I have since had both dogs fixed. I never intended to breed them and never in a million years wanted this to happen. I think a good breeder (like the ones above) have that clause thinking not only of the sale of the puppy but what's best for the grown dog down the line. Luckily my story has a happy ending and mom and baby are fine but if she would have been smaller or me not a caring and consciencious owner the dog could have died in the process! So I think good breeders are thinking way past just the sale of the dog to what's in everyone's best interest including the puppy they are selling! Thank you again for your responses and for allowing us to learn something new everyday through YT!

03-31-2010, 07:58 AM	#13
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	Just to add I'm not selling my pup I am keeping him because I do not want to sell anything I'm not qualified to sell and love him anyway and want to raise him! Loved what someone said about just because a person is qualified to be a pet owner does not make them qualified to be a breeder!! Fantastic point! I believe my breeder was a good one for me but don't know if I would refer to anyone else without giving them all the facts and refering them to someone like one of the ladies listed above to get truly good advice and info! Love that they have the breed and their dogs best interest at heart first!!

03-31-2010, 08:05 AM	#14
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	One more thing My situation is a perfect example of why truly good breeders have spay/neuter clauses in a contract! Anything can happen!! Sometimes people have the best of intentions and things still happen anyway! It's a safety precaution for all involved!

03-31-2010, 08:13 AM	#15
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	Noticed you're a "newbie"...welcome to Yorkie Talk!!! Hope to see you around! Have a fantastic day!!!