Update too: and now there are two

[WV~Yorkies]

Alot of people here are thinking the same thing. Its just not me. I am only going back on your post here. You come on here ask about sick pups and every since that all you ever come on and post about is sick pups. Go look back on your threads.. All people have to do is read what you have posted here.

My boy has sired 2 litters. All healthy...if he has one that is not I will retire them. He has had all the right testing as did the parents.

Last time I heard our boys where not even brothers. That is what I was told by you. You have told me so many different things I don't know what to believe.

I don't really care who goes to court or who has the dog. I just feel sorry for these pups. I really hope this girl makes it and lives a normal healthy life. That would just be wonderful.

I would hate to see him used with your designer breeds that you had on your website... but he is not my dog and what you do is your business. I really don't believe in breeding mix breed dogs and calling them designer.

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by Micah my love

Kristi i am so sorry to hear about your babies & hope this little one gets
strong.
I would really appreciate it if you would keep me updated on Simon & how his next litter turns out, since i own a littermate to him & WV ~Melissa's
boy Ryder, I don't know if he has sired a litter, mine has not so i would
interested in knowing if there is a defect in these dogs.

Of course I will. So far the only thing we know for sure is that the pups had reflux. I will also let you know what the result is with this baby girl. When she is old enough and strong enough I plan to find out what the underline issue is. I will keep you informed as we go along.

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Alot of people here are thinking the same thing. Its just not me. I am only going back on your post here. You come on here ask about sick pups and every since that all you ever come on and post about is sick pups. Go look back on your threads.. All people have to do is read what you have posted here.

My boy has sired 2 litters. All healthy...if he has one that is not I will retire them. He has had all the right testing as did the parents.

Last time I heard our boys where not even brothers. That is what I was told by you. You have told me so many different things I don't know what to believe.

I don't really care who goes to court or who has the dog. I just feel sorry for these pups. I really hope this girl makes it and lives a normal healthy life. That would just be wonderful.

I would hate to see him used with your designer breeds that you had on your website... but he is not my dog and what you do is your business. I really don't believe in breeding mix breed dogs and calling them designer.

No Melissa, you said that and I did not correct you. As for sick dogs that is what is on my mind since they were born. I am feeding every few hours and I am interested in any information I can get.
You are the one who said many different things. Not me. I don't email people pretending to be someone I am not. Nor do I fish for information to relay to someone else. You didn't offer a bit of advice. Just lots of questions to pass on to your friends. As for who and what I breed. You are correct. It is none of your business. I do testing on all of my babies. I have fewer dogs and provide better care than most breeders and I stand behind my babies with a lifetime contract. You don't have to like what I do. I never asked your opinion of it.
As of 2 months ago you said you had no litters from him and none due. Oh well. It doesn't really matter.

[LittlePaws]

WV~Yorkies,



A lot of people? who might they be? Just like the ton of people after Helen Stutzman? That were not here? Or saying Helen ran away to Canada?
Note that BEFORE the thread AKC name help, when you and Joeddia came into my life I had plenty to say that had nothing to do with a sick puppy. You are really something..

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by LittlePaws

No Melissa, you said that and I did not correct you. As for sick dogs that is what is on my mind since they were born. I am feeding every few hours and I am interested in any information I can get.
You are the one who said many different things. Not me. I don't email people pretending to be someone I am not. Nor do I fish for information to relay to someone else. You didn't offer a bit of advice. Just lots of questions to pass on to your friends. As for who and what I breed. You are correct. It is none of your business. I do testing on all of my babies. I have fewer dogs and provide better care than most breeders and I stand behind my babies with a lifetime contract. You don't have to like what I do. I never asked your opinion of it.
As of 2 months ago you said you had no litters from him and none due. Oh well. It doesn't really matter.

Nope it is none of my businnes. It just ticks me off people selling desginer breeds when the pound is full of them.

He now has a litter that is 9 weeks old. Not by one of my females but from one of my really good friends. She has 3 beautiful tiny healthy girls.

Originally Posted by LittlePaws

WV~Yorkies,



Just like the ton of people after Helen Stutzman? That were not here? Or saying Helen ran away to Canada?
Note that BEFORE the thread AKC name help, when you and Joeddia came into my life I had plenty to say that had nothing to do with a sick puppy. You are really something..

I never said there where tons of people after Helen. I didn't know her as far as her having sick pups. As far as I know she was a really nice women. Everyone here seems to be happy with their pups. I just know you told in your previous post coming here that you where getting emails saying she did... I never said one person was not happy. Just because Joeddia told you somthing does not mean it came from me. You can look at any thread at any time without being a member.She knows how to get here. I only talked to Joeddia once on this matter and it was when YOU told her I was studding my boy out to " anything and everything" So you didn't see where it mattered if you used him on your designer breeds...she was a little upset and wanted me to assure her I was not...which I am not. That is when I went to try to find out who you were since you knowed so much about me and my breeding program.

Why do you think you have got so little response here when asking for help. Mostly it is just me answer your questions trying to help. In a few months you will be on here trying to sell this girl as healthy but I pray she will be healthy and you can do that. Maybe you will get more help now and someone can head you in the right direction. Maybe it is not your breeders. Maybe it is was somthing happened at birth. Was it a hard labor that maybe they where in the canal to long? Did you have to pull any out. Did you use any medication on her like heartgaurd or frontline? What about worm medication did you give any to mom while before she whelped? Those are some thing you might want to look back on and find out. They can cause these sorts of birth defects. I would had been good if you would had taken one of the others to a vet after they passed to have a look. You might have found your answers there.

I will say this the last time and not posting anymore she said this and he said that. I really hope you find out whats wrong with that little girl and she because stronger everyday. I hope you are trying the fading puppy recipe sticked at the top here. I feel so bad for her. I want her to grow up healthy, happy and running all over.

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Nope it is none of my businnes. It just ticks me off people selling desginer breeds when the pound is full of them.

He now has a litter that is 9 weeks old. Not by one of my females but from one of my really good friends. She has 3 beautiful tiny healthy girls.



I never said there where tons of people after Helen. I didn't know her as far as her having sick pups. As far as I know she was a really nice women. Everyone here seems to be happy with their pups. I just know you told in your previous post coming here that you where getting emails saying she did... I never said one person was not happy. Just because Joeddia told you somthing does not mean it came from me. You can look at any thread at any time without being a member.She knows how to get here. I only talked to Joeddia once on this matter and it was when YOU told her I was studding my boy out to " anything and everything" So you didn't see where it mattered if you used him on your designer breeds...she was a little upset and wanted me to assure her I was not...which I am not. That is when I went to try to find out who you were since you knowed so much about me and my breeding program.

Why do you think you have got so little response here when asking for help. Mostly it is just me answer your questions trying to help. In a few months you will be on here trying to sell this girl as healthy but I pray she will be healthy and you can do that. Maybe you will get more help now and someone can head you in the right direction. Maybe it is not your breeders. Maybe it is was somthing happened at birth. Was it a hard labor that maybe they where in the canal to long? Did you have to pull any out. Did you use any medication on her like heartgaurd or frontline? What about worm medication did you give any to mom while before she whelped? Those are some thing you might want to look back on and find out. They can cause these sorts of birth defects. I would had been good if you would had taken one of the others to a vet after they passed to have a look. You might have found your answers there.

I will say this the last time and not posting anymore she said this and he said that. I really hope you find out whats wrong with that little girl and she because stronger everyday. I hope you are trying the fading puppy recipe sticked at the top here. I feel so bad for her. I want her to grow up healthy, happy and running all over.

Ok lets settle something here. "YOU told her I was studding my boy out to " anything and everything" So you didn't see where it mattered if you used him on your designer breeds"
That is a total lie. I said no such thing. I thought he was up for stud but nothing more. I also did not say I didn't think it mattered what I used him for.
Next, Please don;t tell me I will be on here trying to sell her as healthy. First off I have 4 AKC babies who are 16 weeks old for sale. They are not posted here. So why do you assume I will have her posted at all? Next, hoe dare you tell me I would try to sell her as healthy? I hope she IS healthy but there is no possible way i would ever sell her without someone knowing EXACTLY what has gone on with her.
I am not the kind of person you think I am Melissa. I come here and ask for opinions and advice because I care a great deal. Not because I think it's fun.
I have had a really rough time with my last 2 litters. First the section and then one of the puppies getting sick and then this litter. My vet bills are through the roof and I am so dang tired I can't see straight. I am not able to sleep during the day and I am up at all hours to feed this baby and before that it was my boy who got sick after his shots. I am tired. I am trying to do the very best for these guys and if that makes people not want to help. Fine.

[WV~Yorkies]

Did you give your mom any heartworm, deworming, flea medication or anything like that? What about cleaning supplies you use on your floor..anything different? Did you use any pesticides in the house or the yard? Did the mom eat welll during her pregnancy? Has she been tested for herpes? Not something they check for routinely.

[WV~Yorkies]

I really am sorry your having a rough time. I know I had 2 litter last year that almost made me quit. All the other stuff I could care less and will not comment on it anymore.

Some things to think about... You don't have to answer me.. up to you. I don't sleep much at night because of some problems I have so that is when I think and I have thought alot about this..

Has your mom been tested for herpes? Not somthing they often test for but is popping up more. What about Poymetra?

Did you use any Heartgaurd, deworming, fea medication during her pregency. Was her pregency normal? Did she eat good? What about the whelping? Did you have to pull any puppies out? How long was each in the birth canal?

What about cleaning supplies? Have you used anything different on your floors? I heard reported ontime those swiffer mop where causing alot of problems for dog. I don't know how true that is.

Pesticides.. Did you use any in the house or in the yard through her preganacy? Like somekind of flea and tick prevention. I know I use to use it until I started breeding.

Like I said I hope this pup makes it. If it does not I would have an autopsies done but I don't think thay will show enviromental things I mentioned before. Good luck.

[WV~Yorkies]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Did you give your mom any heartworm, deworming, flea medication or anything like that? What about cleaning supplies you use on your floor..anything different? Did you use any pesticides in the house or the yard? Did the mom eat welll during her pregnancy? Has she been tested for herpes? Not something they check for routinely.

ignore this one I didn't think it went through so I typed one again better.

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Did you give your mom any heartworm, deworming, flea medication or anything like that? What about cleaning supplies you use on your floor..anything different? Did you use any pesticides in the house or the yard? Did the mom eat welll during her pregnancy? Has she been tested for herpes? Not something they check for routinely.

Yes, My girls stay on heart Guard. No on flea control. We use frontline but not when they are expecting or nursing. If we see a flea ( or evidence of fleas )we use dawn during that time.
Cleaning on floors. We use clorox bleach 4 capfuls in the mop bucket. We also rinse and dry the floor. It does not sit wet.
We do use ant killer on any fire ant mounds. Water well and then the dogs go out in their fence for 24 hours after it is dry. We have never had any issues with these things.
No, she has not been tested for herpes. I see what you are thinking since the deaths were at 3 weeks and below. It is something I will have her tested for even though I think it very unlikely. Normally the test is not done until something like this happens.
The newborns did have pneumonia but they also had reflux.

[WV~Yorkies]

I know alot of breeders I talk to will stop giving heatworm meds. as soon as they go in heat. Like Frontline plus it says it is safe but I won't take the chance. It might be something you want to talk to your vet about.

Only other thing I can come up with is the herpes. I would have her checked just for piece of mind then go from there. Also Poymetra.

You may never find anything. Just like some women may be totally healthy but lose a baby or have a miscarriage. We just can't explain it.. just God's will. You may breed her again and everything go wonderful. That is somthing you will have to search your heart and decide if your up to if this happens again.

I hope everything works out..

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

I know alot of breeders I talk to will stop giving heatworm meds. as soon as they go in heat. Like Frontline plus it says it is safe but I won't take the chance. It might be something you want to talk to your vet about.

Only other thing I can come up with is the herpes. I would have her checked just for piece of mind then go from there. Also Poymetra.

You may never find anything. Just like some women may be totally healthy but lose a baby or have a miscarriage. We just can't explain it.. just God's will. You may breed her again and everything go wonderful. That is somthing you will have to search your heart and decide if your up to if this happens again.

I hope everything works out..

My vet really wants them to stay on the HG. We have a problem with it in our area and they don't want to take any chances.
I will do to the test but if no answer there and no answer in the puppy I don;t know what else to do. How can I breed her again after loosing 3 babies and the girl being so .. off.. I watch her close and yesterday she is more active but now she is leaning her head more to one side. Just one more thing to worry about. I don't think I can breed her again. People think breeders have no heart. You know thats not true. You loose a puppy and it hurts.
I can't imagine having to go through this again.

[WV~Yorkies]

Yes breeders go through alot of heartache. It is hard to find the right breeders also. Not all of them are meant to be breeders. I had one lost a litter her first time. She is ready to go back in and I am scared. I seen what losing them done to her and me. Breeders have to listen to there hearts and research alot more than people think. It is not as easy with Yorkies just putting 2 together and have a big wonderful litter. It takes time and effort. One of my mentors told me not to get in any hurry it would take me 5 years to get the right girls going. I now know that is true. Sometimes I think of just giving it up there is so much heartache that goes with it.

I wish your little one well and I will keep searching the web to see if I can come up with anything that might help you.

[LittlePaws]

Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies

Yes breeders go through alot of heartache. It is hard to find the right breeders also. Not all of them are meant to be breeders. I had one lost a litter her first time. She is ready to go back in and I am scared. I seen what losing them done to her and me. Breeders have to listen to there hearts and research alot more than people think. It is not as easy with Yorkies just putting 2 together and have a big wonderful litter. It takes time and effort. One of my mentors told me not to get in any hurry it would take me 5 years to get the right girls going. I now know that is true. Sometimes I think of just giving it up there is so much heartache that goes with it.

I wish your little one well and I will keep searching the web to see if I can come up with anything that might help you.

It does take a long time. I had to retire my first girl I got after one litter.
I am going to retire my Sally. Hers are the 16 week old pups. But she had 6, needed a section and almost died. Her babies are very beautiful but I can't risk her health. Fossie may need to be retired as well since she is the mother of the sick baby girl....So much time, worry and heart ache and of course lots of money and sleepless nights.
I also wish I could keep one of Sally's girls but at 16 weeks and 2.3 and 2.5 lbs I don't think they will be big enough.. Worry and more worry.
Thank you for looking. Do let me know if you come up with anything. I'm going back to the vet this week. Her new symptom is troubling.
Here is a picture of one of my girls, 16 weeks. Such a pretty girl.

[WV~Yorkies]

She is a beautiful girl! I'm with you I don't think she will get big enough. I wish she would take a big growing spurt for you.

What gets me I get people making the comment why don't you just find homes and give them away. It's not like you have much in them. They have no idea....