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phfgkl 05-22-2009 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Abby08 (Post 2632724)
I have read the history of the BBCA Biewer Breeder Club of America and they have the history of the breed started by the Biewers who's Yorkies supposedly had a piebald gene. A Piebald gene does not make an animal a different breed. It does not mention their Shih Ztus but I do remember the origional website pics! I also notice that many Biewer dogs are curiously colored like Shih Ztus also!

I love the so called parti Yorkies and Biewers too, I just don't think they are purebred yet, and the origional breeders don't want people to know this either for what ever reason.

If we could only DNA search the origional parents, ooh, if someone could dig up their bones..... ;) too expensive.........
I think maybe you should read the www.btcainc.org instead, as that is the club Mrs Biewer herself belongs too;)

phfgkl 05-22-2009 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Abby08 (Post 2632724)
I have read the history of the BBCA Biewer Breeder Club of America and they have the history of the breed started by the Biewers who's Yorkies supposedly had a piebald gene. A Piebald gene does not make an animal a different breed. It does not mention their Shih Ztus but I do remember the origional website pics! I also notice that many Biewer dogs are curiously colored like Shih Ztus also!

I love the so called parti Yorkies and Biewers too, I just don't think they are purebred yet, and the origional breeders don't want people to know this either for what ever reason.

If we could only DNA search the origional parents, ooh, if someone could dig up their bones..... ;) too expensive.........
I really think more reading is needed.:) The biewer has been proven it's a breed of it's own, and they do dna tests on every dog(the btca does), they have been shown to have papillon in them and like 2 or 3 other breeds. Some lines have chihuahuas and some lines have shih tzus, none of our lines do. And, Mr and Mrs Biewer didn't own shih tzus, the President of the BTCA is close/personal friends with Mrs Biewer.;)

phfgkl 05-22-2009 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2632750)
Abby08, you might be interested in this recent thread if you can set aside all the personal attacks. ;)

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...-terriers.html
Thanks for posting that;)

Sugar's Mom 05-22-2009 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Abby08 (Post 2632700)
Also, the breed standard for all of the breeds are, (according to the AKC,) just a "concept" and no actual dog exists that IS the standard for that breed. The standard is a list of details for breeders to aspire to and the judges,(in their mind) to look for the dog that most closely resembles that standard. Each parent club has the history of the breed and most likely, the history may have some information as to how the breed got started and the breeders who most influenced the history of their breed.

I have never been to the AKC library,(located in NY City) but I belive they have a lot of info and history on the breeds there.
You are so misinformed on everything. Apparently, you have never been to a dog showw. Each breed has dogs that perfectly fit the standard for their breed.

westieboy 05-22-2009 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2632987)
I really think more reading is needed.:) The biewer has been proven it's a breed of it's own, and they do dna tests on every dog(the btca does), they have been shown to have papillon in them and like 2 or 3 other breeds. Some lines have chihuahuas and some lines have shih tzus, none of our lines do. And, Mr and Mrs Biewer didn't own shih tzus, the President of the BTCA is close/personal friends with Mrs Biewer.;)
If there is such variation between lines how can there be a breed standard?

Pruett 05-22-2009 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Abby08 (Post 2632724)
I have read the history of the BBCA Biewer Breeder Club of America and they have the history of the breed started by the Biewers who's Yorkies supposedly had a piebald gene. A Piebald gene does not make an animal a different breed. It does not mention their Shih Ztus but I do remember the origional website pics! I also notice that many Biewer dogs are curiously colored like Shih Ztus also!

I love the so called parti Yorkies and Biewers too, I just don't think they are purebred yet, and the origional breeders don't want people to know this either for what ever reason.

If we could only DNA search the origional parents, ooh, if someone could dig up their bones..... ;) too expensive.........

The Biewers NEVER raised Shih Tzu's nor did they have a web site that you could have seen. If you want to present facts about the Biewers go the Biewer Terrier Club of America, Inc. and read what is said about the Biewer breed.

As far as Parti's go, I find it interesting that there were only a couple of Parti breeders 5 years ago and now there's over 30??? It seems that 100's of Yorkies have all of the sudden become Parti carriers, when for 100's of years you rarely saw a Yorkie with any amount of white on it that did not go away with age.

Another thing about Parti's I find interesting is that 5 years ago they looked liked a poorly bred Yorkie that was all washed out, scraggly hair, bad coat texture..... and now they have beautiful thick coats and don't resemble a Yorkie at all in structure. How can a color gene totally change the bone structure of a dog?????

Obie 05-22-2009 07:42 AM
While doing research on puppyfind I came across this ad under the Biewers “Parti-Yorkie” male for sale and she said he is a male Biewer. When I emailed to question why she is calling him a “Parti-Yorkie and Biewer, this was her response.

Sorry for any confusion. If you go to www.aprpets.com (this is APRI registry whom cody is registered with), his paper work states as breed "registered yorkshire terrier" color blk,white tan,biewer colors. Both of his parents are biewers BUT he was born state side and when I registered him through this registry the biewers are not reconized here in the US. SO when any offspring out of this mom and dad are born ( this was the first time) they are called "yorkshire terrier" with parti markings and thus I crop their tails.
This can be verified through the registry. AS you have seen I sell my puppies for pets not nessarly for breeding Hope this help, Sounds like he is not what your looking for Have a great day!
Carrie
Website: http://www.puppymatch4u.com

I found this very disturbing not only for reputable breeders here who are trying to establish the Biewer but also wonder what the Parti breeders feel about this type of breeder? Now I can understand why YTCA is so upset and the reputable Yorkshire Terrier breeders.

bchgirl 05-22-2009 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Abby08 (Post 2632674)
I did see the origional Biewer website several years ago,(haven't been back in a long time, don't know if it is still there or gone or if the Biewers are still around or not?) and the Biewers did indeed raise Shih Tzus along with Yorkies! They had pics of their Shih tzus,Yorkies and origional "Biewers" on their website!!! I was considering getting one until I saw the website and saw the muzzles and longer bodies of the origional Biewer dogs. They were very shih tzuish! They did have pics on their website, of all three of the breeds that they raised !
You're mistaken on whose site you saw. There is and was no "orginal" website owned by the Biewers. Mr. and Mrs. Biewer showed and bred yorkshire terriers. The first tri colored puppy was born in 1984. Mr. Biewer died in 1997 and his wife discontinued their breeding program shortly thereafter.

Abby08 05-22-2009 03:48 PM
I have been on the internet looking at websites since 1994, been going to AKC sanctioned dog shows since 1971. I know what I have read, and seen. I am not going to say anymore. This is too much of a free for all

TammyJM 05-22-2009 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2633136)
The Biewers NEVER raised Shih Tzu's nor did they have a web site that you could have seen. If you want to present facts about the Biewers go the Biewer Terrier Club of America, Inc. and read what is said about the Biewer breed.

As far as Parti's go, I find it interesting that there were only a couple of Parti breeders 5 years ago and now there's over 30??? It seems that 100's of Yorkies have all of the sudden become Parti carriers, when for 100's of years you rarely saw a Yorkie with any amount of white on it that did not go away with age.

Another thing about Parti's I find interesting is that 5 years ago they looked liked a poorly bred Yorkie that was all washed out, scraggly hair, bad coat texture..... and now they have beautiful thick coats and don't resemble a Yorkie at all in structure. How can a color gene totally change the bone structure of a dog?????
Change in bone structure?? I can only speak for my own situation, but I do not agree with your statement. I personally own a parti colored Yorkie and she looks all Yorkshire Terrier in her structure. Livi is five and a half pounds and very square/cobby.

Brooklynn 05-22-2009 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2634288)
Change in bone structure?? I can only speak for my own situation, but I do not agree with your statement. I personally own a parti colored Yorkie and she looks all Yorkshire Terrier in her structure. Livi is five and a half pounds and very square/cobby.
I have to agree with Tammy on this one...Although I "disagree" and "oppose" breeding for Parti's they are called Yorkshire Terriers and do look like them except for the color and are and can be exactly structure correct. Tammy you know I love ya hon! :)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

TammyJM 05-22-2009 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2634302)
I have to agree with Tammy on this one...Although I "disagree" and "oppose" breeding for Parti's they are called Yorkshire Terriers and do look like them except for the color and are and can be exactly structure correct. Tammy you know I love ya hon! :)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
I love ya, too, Donna! I understand and respect your love for the Yorkie....I just happen to be under the spell of my parti princess. ;)

Tam

kpstoybox 05-23-2009 09:12 PM
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I love ya, too, Donna! I understand and respect your love for the Yorkie....I just happen to be under the spell of my parti princess. ;)

Tam
And who wouldn't be under that spell after looking at that adorable face?

As far as structure and type of parti yorkie....I too own a parti male who IMO...is all yorkie in both looks and temperament.

TammyJM 05-24-2009 09:39 AM
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And who wouldn't be under that spell after looking at that adorable face?

As far as structure and type of parti yorkie....I too own a parti male who IMO...is all yorkie in both looks and temperament.
Livi says to tell you thanks!. ;)

I love that picture of Chaos! I cannot believe how much he has changed and I love his markings....such a pretty boy. :)

Here is Livi...it's tough to tell from photos, but she her structure is very square.

Tammy

Ladymom 05-24-2009 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2635774)
Livi says to tell you thanks!. ;)

I love that picture of Chaos! I cannot believe how much he has changed and I love his markings....such a pretty boy. :)

Here is Livi...it's tough to tell from photos, but she her structure is very square.

Tammy
Livi is just darling! :wub::wub::wub:


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