I have biewers, and you need to read up a little more on them. Biewers are a breed of their own, they're not a yorkie. And shih tzu is spelled like this!

Let the world turn
 

OH, how wonderful that we live in America the place to dream, with the right to be different, feel different, think different, where we can have are own opinions. Ladies and Men most of us have it so lucky yet we feel the need to judge offers. I know I will stir up a hornet nest but we live in America. Yes, I do raise Parti Yorkies, I just love all Yorkies, no better companion in my book. Do I feel I am doing anything wrong, no! Can I sleep at night yes, I am honest as the day is long. Do I charge two arms and two Legs? Are there others who charge an arm and a leg for Yorkies? I feel blessed to wake every morning, see the sunshine, breath the air, go to a church of my choice, vote, and again live in America. This is my opinion and I truly like reading the opinion of others but sometimes I feel people are just so judge mental on some of their posts that they hurt others. ;)

Aside from the incorrectness of the statement, that was good for a laugh! :p

I "DO" "DISAGREE" with it and they are not following the standard as they should be. They will never in "my" lifetime be able to show in the conformation nor should they as they are not what the standard calls for.
We all love our pets, show dogs ect...and to each their own. I do not support breeding outside the standard but if that is what one wants to do we can not stop them. Would I encourage someone to breed them "no" but I can't stop them from doing it. Yes, it is America and I'm just stating my freedom of speech :) But we all love animals parti's included I just don't believe in breeding for something that is outside the standard and that is with any breed :)

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I honestly believe it is only a matter of time before parti and other colors are accepted in the show ring.
Standards are always being changed. Look at the original yorkie and how much the standard changed for it.
Not long ago the yorkie was accepted in the show ring with darker colors such as black and gold. They recently changed it to allow only blue and gold.

I think the cocker spaniel is a very good example. They started out allowing only certain colors. Now several colors are allowed to show, they are just shown in a different color category. Many other breeds started out the same way as well.

The yorkie's color standard might not change anytime soon but it is bound to change as younger generations are more acceptable of the colors and you start seeing more of these colors being registered and more breeders pushing to show them.
I bet way back then people never thought the yorkie would change to be 7lbs and under.

Originally Posted by Abby08 http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif
I will say there is a legend that Scotties and Westies used to be born in the same litters, but it is only a legend. Scotties do come in other colors than black, white is not acceptable any more and in fact they both look different now, not the same at all .

Parti's probably have lots of Malteese, Biewers come from a German [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]breeder[/COLOR][/COLOR] who had Yorky's and s**tzu's and an idea. Yes, I like them too,the ones that are more Yorky looking, but I think both examples are truely a "designer" [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]dog [COLOR=green! important]bred[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] by folks who knew what they were doing in trying to create a "new Yorky"

Just like Exotic Persians,and Himalayans, [COLOR=green! important][COLOR=green! important]cats[/COLOR][/COLOR] that were created by folks with an "eye" for animal design.

Mr and Mrs Biewer only had Yorkies, NOT shih tzu's

Yes standards do chang that is why a DQ was added to the yorkie standard preventing Parti's and other colors from entering the show ring. Also, in order to change a standard you have to be a "MEMBER"
of the parent club and in order to become a member you have to "ADHERE" to the code of conduct and code of ethics and "ABIDE" by the standard. Trust me changing the standard isn't easy as you may think.
You also have to have someone know you for at least 2 years before being accepted into the YTCA and if us "middle aged" people keep the standard as it should be and educate and teach those coming up what the standard is all about then we can keep the yorkie as is. There are over 200 members of the YTCA and trust me having Parti's or any other color yorkie being shown other than what the standard calls for you have a 100% committment to keep the standard as is. It's all about education!!!! I will always advocate what the standard calls for now and keep our Yorkshire Terriers true to the standard and fight for it :)
Please take no offense of those who breed Parti's as I love all dogs black, white, pink or purple but I will stand behind our Yorkshire Terrier standard as is!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I know this is one of those heated topics that we'll all have to agree to disagree. We all have our opinions on this topic but at the end of the day I think we can all agree that all pets are special and beautiful in their own way.

However, I have been wondering about this for a very long time and I don't know if it's already been asked but, who created the standard for our beloved yorkie, or any breed for that matter? Was it the breeders? The specific breed club (like the YTCA)? Or was it based on buyers demand? (for example, way back when, before the standard was set most people thought the Gold and Blue yorkie was the prettiest color and was what people were buying so that's how it became the standard.) I'm just wondering!:D

oops sorry spelling has always been one oh my many faults. I used the spell checker, but it didn't warn me. Thank You!

I don't think your the first to make that mistake, in fact many people call them that!

I did see the origional Biewer website several years ago,(haven't been back in a long time, don't know if it is still there or gone or if the Biewers are still around or not?) and the Biewers did indeed raise Shih Tzus along with Yorkies! They had pics of their Shih tzus,Yorkies and origional "Biewers" on their website!!! I was considering getting one until I saw the website and saw the muzzles and longer bodies of the origional Biewer dogs. They were very shih tzuish! They did have pics on their website, of all three of the breeds that they raised !

I don't know about the origional folks who "wrote" the standards, but I imagine that it was a little bit of all of that, people who needed a dog for a job and bred for it,(breeder), people who liked and wanted a dog for that job went to the breeder to get one.(Farmer,hunter,customer ;) ) Some folks may have been influenced by looks and others wanted the dog for the value of the job they did and didn't care what they looked like.

People who liked their dogs got together with other folks with the same fondness for their same breed and I imagine it was those folks,the breeders,perhaps some monied owners who got together and hammered out a standard of some kind according to what they liked and what they needed. The Yorky standard had to have been first made over in Britain as that is where they came from. Not the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America,(YTCA). I think the AKC started before the UKC but Britain has had dog breed clubs for almost as long as they have been breeding dogs there. Here in America, the standards for the AKC parent clubs are not always the same as for the UKC parent clubs even though the breed may have origionated in Great Britain. I haven't looked at the UKC nor CKC parent Yorky clubs to see what differences if any, exist.

I do know that many foreign countries have banned tail docking and I have heard that a bill in NY has been introduced or is going to be introduced to make it illegal to dock any dog tails there. There is big worry amoung those folks who have breeds whose tails are docked and ears surgically changed, that they may not be able to show their dogs at the big shows there if they can't conform to their breed standards in this manner. So in this case the law of the land, may trump the breed standard!

Also, the breed standard for all of the breeds are, (according to the AKC,) just a "concept" and no actual dog exists that IS the standard for that breed. The standard is a list of details for breeders to aspire to and the judges,(in their mind) to look for the dog that most closely resembles that standard. Each parent club has the history of the breed and most likely, the history may have some information as to how the breed got started and the breeders who most influenced the history of their breed.

I have never been to the AKC library,(located in NY City) but I belive they have a lot of info and history on the breeds there.

I would like to see this picture of the Biewers with the shih tzus.

I have read the history of the BBCA Biewer Breeder Club of America and they have the history of the breed started by the Biewers who's Yorkies supposedly had a piebald gene. A Piebald gene does not make an animal a different breed. It does not mention their Shih Ztus but I do remember the origional website pics! I also notice that many Biewer dogs are curiously colored like Shih Ztus also!

I love the so called parti Yorkies and Biewers too, I just don't think they are purebred yet, and the origional breeders don't want people to know this either for what ever reason.

If we could only DNA search the origional parents, ooh, if someone could dig up their bones..... ;) too expensive.........

Abby08, you might be interested in this recent thread if you can set aside all the personal attacks. ;)

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...-terriers.html