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bjh 06-12-2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2666355)
Please be careful on how information is being interpreted or fed to readers on this forum. It seems to be too one sided. bchgirl may be talking about a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon, or the Biewer a la pom pon, I'm not sure what they have decided to call it yet. Mrs. Pruett and the members of the BTCA are working with a purebred "Biewer Terrier" with Mrs. Werners knowledge and input and the input and knowledge of members in the BTCA who are already working on 3rd generation in their breeding programs. Breeding and perfecting a breed comes through trial and error with many factors to consider. However, with the efforts, record keeping, genetic testing and exposure the Biewer Terrier is achieving, the standard, I'm sure, will soon be one.
Thank you for your explanation.

GreenwoodBiewer 06-12-2009 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2666355)
Please be careful on how information is being interpreted or fed to readers on this forum. It seems to be too one sided. bchgirl may be talking about a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon, or the Biewer a la pom pon, I'm not sure what they have decided to call it yet. Mrs. Pruett and the members of the BTCA are working with a purebred "Biewer Terrier" with Mrs. Werners knowledge and input and the input and knowledge of members in the BTCA who are already working on 3rd generation in their breeding programs. Breeding and perfecting a breed comes through trial and error with many factors to consider. However, with the efforts, record keeping, genetic testing and exposure the Biewer Terrier is achieving, the standard, I'm sure, will soon be one.
Anybody want to buy a bridge???


-Diana :animal-pa

Toby'sMama 06-12-2009 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2666425)
Anybody want to buy a bridge???


-Diana :animal-pa
I got a dollar!!! :biggrin8:

Pruett 06-12-2009 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2666283)
The standard you are quoting is one written by Gayle and is different in more ways than just coat than the standard provided by UCI in Germany. The latter of which is what is used in two of the three show circuits here.
Not sure where you get your info, but once again it's wrong. I did not write the standard.

There really seems to have been a major understanding on the part of the IABCA, because Gunter Knoben sent Jeff a standard right after they accepted the Biewer a couple of years ago. Since Mr. Knoben did not send it in English, this may be why Jeff didn't use it. What ever the reason, we have managed to get it straighten out and I'm posting the English version that the IABCA will be using. I guess that only leaves NACK still using the standard written by 2 MiKi breeders.

When Mr. Knoben faxed it over, it reduced the size, so if you can't read it please feel free to read it at Biewer Terrier Standard

my2boyz 06-12-2009 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2666355)
Please be careful on how information is being interpreted or fed to readers on this forum. It seems to be too one sided. bchgirl may be talking about a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon, or the Biewer a la pom pon, I'm not sure what they have decided to call it yet. Mrs. Pruett and the members of the BTCA are working with a purebred "Biewer Terrier" with Mrs. Werners knowledge and input and the input and knowledge of members in the BTCA who are already working on 3rd generation in their breeding programs. Breeding and perfecting a breed comes through trial and error with many factors to consider. However, with the efforts, record keeping, genetic testing and exposure the Biewer Terrier is achieving, the standard, I'm sure, will soon be one.
Oh give me a break will ya? They are the same dog no matter which club you belong to or what that club calls it. :rolleyes:

Obie 06-12-2009 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2666704)
Oh give me a break will ya? They are the same dog no matter which club you belong to or what that club calls it. :rolleyes:

Thank you. Yes, we know that, which has been posted all along. Don't you think we have all the pedigrees. Now, you just need to let the others understand that. Thank you again.

my2boyz 06-12-2009 06:07 PM
Sorry Obie...I wasn't posting that tidbit of information to your side of the argument. All of the imported, now U.S. Biewers, came from the same few German breeders so how can they all not be Biewer YORKSHIRE TERRIERS like they were when they were imported?

EnchantedToi 06-12-2009 06:27 PM
Many refer to the breed as " Biewer" ( no yorkshire)( no terrier)
We have been breeding Biewer to Biewer from the get go Biewer Breed Club of America
Never allowing the breeding back of any other breeds ( including Yorkshire Terriers)

There are several International Biewer Clubs following Germanys standard.And it's not the BTCA standard.This standard calls for a tri colored head white/Tan black or white /tan blue
( no other head colorations)
Only one Club calls it a " Biewer Terrier" and follows it's own standard *BTCA*........even though they all have the same lines we have.

As for everyone following the same standard......... um we are, with the acception of the "Biewer Terrier Club ( btca)

my2boyz 06-12-2009 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2666919)
There are several International Biewer Clubs following Germanys standard.And it's not the BTCA standard.This standard calls for a tri colored head white/Tan black or white /tan blue
( no other head colorations)
Only one Club calls it a " Biewer Terrier" and follows it's own standard *BTCA*........even though they all have the same lines we have.

As for everyone following the same standard......... um we are, with the acception of the "Biewer Terrier Club ( btca)
Thank you...:thumbup:

EnchantedToi 06-12-2009 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2666928)
Thank you...:thumbup:
Your welcome :D

Pruett 06-12-2009 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2666919)
Many refer to the breed as " Biewer" ( no yorkshire)( no terrier)
We have been breeding Biewer to Biewer from the get go Biewer Breed Club of America
Never allowing the breeding back of any other breeds ( including Yorkshire Terriers)

There are several International Biewer Clubs following Germanys standard.And it's not the BTCA standard.This standard calls for a tri colored head white/Tan black or white /tan blue
( no other head colorations)
Only one Club calls it a " Biewer Terrier" and follows it's own standard *BTCA*........even though they all have the same lines we have.

As for everyone following the same standard......... um we are, with the acception of the "Biewer Terrier Club ( btca)
You're right about the breed being referred to as Biewer, just as the Yorkshire Terrier is referred to as a Yorkie, and the Coton De Tulear is referred to as a Coton and so on.

What standard are you using now? Before you clearly stated that you were using the standard written by 2 Miki breeders. There is only one club in Germany, one club in USA and one show venue that is using that standard. UM?? What other club in Germany uses it.

You are right about only one club in America calling it a Biewer Terrier and that is the club that has proven that the Biewer terrier is a distinct breed of it's own. It is also the only club that has Mrs. Biewers support and membership. It is also the only club that is a member of the UCI. Union Cynologie International e. V. (UCI e.V.)

You guys are welcome to do what you want, all we ask is that you be honest when educating people about the breed. Opinions are fine, but present them as such.

Breezeaway 06-12-2009 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2666919)
Many refer to the breed as " Biewer" ( no yorkshire)( no terrier)
We have been breeding Biewer to Biewer from the get go Biewer Breed Club of America
Never allowing the breeding back of any other breeds ( including Yorkshire Terriers)

There are several International Biewer Clubs following Germanys standard.And it's not the BTCA standard.This standard calls for a tri colored head white/Tan black or white /tan blue
( no other head colorations)
Only one Club calls it a " Biewer Terrier" and follows it's own standard *BTCA*........even though they all have the same lines we have.

As for everyone following the same standard......... um we are, with the acception of the "Biewer Terrier Club ( btca)
The biewer is nothing but a tri colored Yorkshire terrier period....... You say you only breed biewer to biewer that is fine but it dont make them a breed. Breeding Biewer to Biewer is still breeding 2 yorkshire terriers that have the tri color to produce the tri color. Yes by breeding Biewer to Biewer keeps it a color to its own but It does NOT make it a breed when in fact its still yorkshire terriers of a different color. You cant change, no matter how hard you preach........... that the Biewers came from 2 registered Traditional yorkshire terriers.

Pruett 06-13-2009 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2667023)
The biewer is nothing but a tri colored Yorkshire terrier period....... You say you only breed biewer to biewer that is fine but it dont make them a breed. Breeding Biewer to Biewer is still breeding 2 yorkshire terriers that have the tri color to produce the tri color. Yes by breeding Biewer to Biewer keeps it a color to its own but It does NOT make it a breed when in fact its still yorkshire terriers of a different color. You cant change, no matter how hard you preach........... that the Biewers came from 2 registered Traditional yorkshire terriers.
You're right about the coloring not making the Biewer a breed of it's own, and now I see why you Parti people have mixed our Biewer with Yorkies, you think it's a Yorkie.

YOU'RE WRONG about them being Yorkies!!!!! All dogs evolved from the wolf, but that doesn't make them wolves now does it. The Biewer Terrier is a distinct breed of it's own and it's not because of one mutant color gene.

Your Parti Yorkies are not because of one mutant color gene either. Why is it that only the people that have been breeding Yorkies for a the last 3 or 4 years have a bunch of Parti Yorkies and the people that have been breeding for the last 20, 30, 40........ years don't have them. Like I said before, do some DNA parentage profiling on the last 3 or 4 generations of your dogs and then lets see what you have.

4lilyorks 06-13-2009 11:48 AM
IABCA will not be switching to the Biewer Terrier standard. They will continue to use the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon standard. The BTCA can hand out titles for the Biewer Terrier but with the IABCA you earn a title for the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom Pon so they follow that standard as they do in Germany. Here is the official statement from the IABCA as stated in an email dated 6/13/09.

The Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la Pom pom standard is the officially accepted and followed standard for the IABCA and the Alle Rasse Grupe.

rnnw62 06-13-2009 01:23 PM
Thank-You for posting the correct information Stacey!


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