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bchgirl 06-12-2009 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2665583)
Um......have you taken a look around you at standard colored yorkies? I think even the breeders that are anti-parti would agree that many, if not most pet yorkies fall well below the standard, without being parti colored. Having one neighbor with a very genetically flawed parti yorkie should hardly give you reason to believe they are all like that. Pretty much anyone that buys a dog from a puppy mill is going to end up with the same problems as your friend there, regardless of breed or color of dog.
Not all yorkies out of standard come from puppy mills....

bchgirl 06-12-2009 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2635816)
I think some of the parti yorkies and biewers are very pretty but it seems like most of the ones I have seen pictures of appear to have cottony coats. Are there lines out there in the parti yorkies and the biewers that have the true silky coats that are cool to tough and really reflect the light?
I know some biewers with silk coats...including my Frazier. His saddle is presently changing to "blue". Reggie's coat, however, is best described as cotton...usually called soft in the biewer world.

bjh 06-12-2009 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2665744)
I know some biewers with silk coats...including my Frazier. His saddle is presently changing to "blue". Reggie's coat, however, is best described as cotton...usually called soft in the biewer world.
Is Frazier a biewer. He is very pretty. For show, what type of coat is desirable on a biewer? Is either type acceptable?

my2boyz 06-12-2009 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2635816)
I think some of the parti yorkies and biewers are very pretty but it seems like most of the ones I have seen pictures of appear to have cottony coats. Are there lines out there in the parti yorkies and the biewers that have the true silky coats that are cool to tough and really reflect the light?
Yes, there are. My (Biewer) Molly has a beautiful silk coat and so did her parents and the new male I have purchased also has a beautiful silk coat and passes that on to his offspring. I have been to a few shows and there are many Biewers out there with true silk coats and they are beautiful...but just like Yorkies...there are Biewers with cottony and modified silk coats. Molly's 2 sisters had silk (feeling) coats as puppies but as adults they are more soft/modified and Molly's puppies are a mixture of silk and soft coats.

bjh 06-12-2009 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2665831)
Yes, there are. My (Biewer) Molly has a beautiful silk coat and so did her parents and the new male I have purchased also has a beautiful silk coat and passes that on to his offspring. I have been to a few shows and there are many Biewers out there with true silk coats and they are beautiful...but just like Yorkies...there are Biewers with cottony and modified silk coats. Molly's 2 sisters had silk (feeling) coats as puppies but as adults they are more soft/modified and Molly's puppies are a mixture of silk and soft coats.
Thank you for you input. I think if I ever did get a Biewer I would definitely want one with a silky coat.

Haleys_mom 06-12-2009 06:55 AM
Coat is long and flowing with a soft silky texture. Hair is straight and without an undercoat and should be at least ¾ to the ground. Head fall is tied up into a single ponytail on top of the head and may be left hanging freely or put into a topknot.

bjh 06-12-2009 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2665740)
Not all yorkies out of standard come from puppy mills....
This is so correct. I know many show breeders that have pups that are out of standard. You can breed two champions and still come up was a pup that is full of faults. Just because a dog is full of faults does not necessarily mean it was poorly bred, sometimes the genes just don't click. I have a puppy now with a really bad overbite and I think where the heck did that come from.:eek: All his litter mates have perfect bites and at least 3 generations back that I know of there was no overbites.

bchgirl 06-12-2009 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2665804)
Is Frazier a biewer. He is very pretty. For show, what type of coat is desirable on a biewer? Is either type acceptable?
Yes he is. The standard calls for a silk coat. I am delighted with Frazier's coat.

MindieRose 06-12-2009 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2665740)
Not all yorkies out of standard come from puppy mills....
I didn't say that at all :) I said that many, if not most pet yorkies fall below standard. I said that most puppy mill pups will have a lot of the genetic complications that her neighbor's dog has. :)

Haleys_mom 06-12-2009 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2665862)
Yes he is. The standard calls for a silk coat. I am delighted with Frazier's coat.
Actually it calls for a soft silky, they're not yorkies, so you don't want them having the silky coat like a silky coated yorkie would have.

bjh 06-12-2009 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Haleys_mom (Post 2666030)
Actually it calls for a soft silky, they're not yorkies, so you don't want them having the silky coat like a silky coated yorkie would have.
:confused::confused:The Biewer standard sounds like it is up to interpretation. To me a soft silky coat would be silky because a silky coat is soft as opposed to coarse. And it describes it as long, flowing and straight. A yorkie can have a straight cottony coat but it is not flowing like a silk coat. A true silk coat will hang straight down and when you pick up the hair on the shoulders and let it drop down it each strand should easily fall back into place and not bunch up like a cottony coat does.

Sorry to go off topic, I forgot this thread was about parti yorkies. I'm just trying to learn more.

bchgirl 06-12-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2666118)
:confused::confused:The Biewer standard sounds like it is up to interpretation. To me a soft silky coat would be silky because a silky coat is soft as opposed to coarse. And it describes it as long, flowing and straight. A yorkie can have a straight cottony coat but it is not flowing like a silk coat. A true silk coat will hang straight down and when you pick up the hair on the shoulders and let it drop down it each strand should easily fall back into place and not bunch up like a cottony coat does.

Sorry to go off topic, I forgot this thread was about parti yorkies. I'm just trying to learn more.
Your interpretation is correct.

The original UCI standard from Germany states..
the hair on the body has a length 3/4 down the sides of the dog or long enough to reach the ground, and is absolutely straight (not wooly) shiney like silk and of a fine silk texture without an undercoat.

This is the standard that NAKC and IABCA uses in their shows.

You can feel the silk texture of Frazier's coat....and see it "flow" when he walks.

Haleys_mom 06-12-2009 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2666174)
Your interpretation is correct.

The original UCI standard from Germany states..
the hair on the body has a length 3/4 down the sides of the dog or long enough to reach the ground, and is absolutely straight (not wooly) shiney like silk and of a fine silk texture without an undercoat.

This is the standard that NAKC and IABCA uses in their shows.

You can feel the silk texture of Frazier's coat....and see it "flow" when he walks.
May I ask how long you've had your biewer and how long you've been breeding them?
I just recently bought a biewer from a Mrs Pruett, she is President of the BTCA, to which Mrs Biewer herself belongs too. The last pup I bought has a silky coat, which would be fine IF she were a yorkie;) You don't want them to have a cottony coat, but, you don't want them to have the true silky coat that yorkies should have. I'm sure I could get her to come in here if she's a member, and have her explain this to you better. She's been breeding biewers for quite sometime now.

bchgirl 06-12-2009 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Haleys_mom (Post 2666217)
May I ask how long you've had your biewer and how long you've been breeding them?
I just recently bought a biewer from a Mrs Pruett, she is President of the BTCA, to which Mrs Biewer herself belongs too. The last pup I bought has a silky coat, which would be fine IF she were a yorkie;) You don't want them to have a cottony coat, but, you don't want them to have the true silky coat that yorkies should have. I'm sure I could get her to come in here if she's a member, and have her explain this to you better. She's been breeding biewers for quite sometime now.
The standard you are quoting is one written by Gayle and is different in more ways than just coat than the standard provided by UCI in Germany. The latter of which is what is used in two of the three show circuits here.

Obie 06-12-2009 12:15 PM
Please be careful on how information is being interpreted or fed to readers on this forum. It seems to be too one sided. bchgirl may be talking about a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon, or the Biewer a la pom pon, I'm not sure what they have decided to call it yet. Mrs. Pruett and the members of the BTCA are working with a purebred "Biewer Terrier" with Mrs. Werners knowledge and input and the input and knowledge of members in the BTCA who are already working on 3rd generation in their breeding programs. Breeding and perfecting a breed comes through trial and error with many factors to consider. However, with the efforts, record keeping, genetic testing and exposure the Biewer Terrier is achieving, the standard, I'm sure, will soon be one.


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